Nvidia's putting full-fat desktop GTX 980s into notebooks
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MultiCore
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The point of these are that they're movable desktop replacements.
I have to travel quite a bit for extended periods where I can't feasibly take a desktop( and I certainly can't stake out a place to put a desktop).
Solutions like these are ideal for me. I currently have a Clevo with 2 680M's in it(Upgradeable to 980m's if I choose), and a desktop 6 core processor.
(This one, actually. This exact one. The one he's physically reviewing. I bought it.)
There is absolutely a legitimate market for this stuff.
Even the Asus with the watercooler.
I use an Alienware 17 R2 with the GTX 980M for work. It allows me to work on renders and CAD drawings when I'm out of the office.
Being able to game on it is a nice bonus.
brainchild
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Now this, I can get behind. I'll probably nab whichever one has g-sync.
I certainly won't stop gaming when I'm somewhere abroad. Handhelds are nice, but they don't play MGS V. My current Ultrabook barely manages modern games on low settings, so I think I'll buy one of these 'beauties' when they release.
Is this powerful enough for VR?
Imagine sitting next to that guy on a plane
I'd be giving him virtual high-fives!
Caayn
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I had a Clevo D900T back in 2004. It was a desktop replacement, not a real laptop. 20 minutes of battery tops. Battery was designed only for moving it from one room to another.
I'm sure these new machines will fare better, though
Balmung421
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Is this powerful enough for VR?
Imagine sitting next to that guy on a plane
I see this gif all the time and still can't believe that they are standing around him so casually while he goes to town.
Prices must be out of this world for these notebooks
they're standing around so casually because they put him there and know what he is doing. Hint, he isn't shagging a japanese schoolgirl - far from it.
Phat Michael
Banned
Very nice. I'll be getting one of these for my music setup. Will keep the desktop rig for gaming.
copelandmaster
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WOW. Gaming notebooks have come a long way. January 2011, the GTX 485m came out. Was basically a desktop GTX 460 that often gets really hot and can throttle a bit if your rig is too dusty. Now they're throwing the cat's meow in these things.
Here's what you're gonna get with these types of laptops: about an hour of battery life (to start). You will be attached to a wall, even if you just want to do a word document. I know these chips are more power efficient + stuff like Optimus, but the simple fact is that the USP style battery in these things degrades like a mofo. 4 years later, my Sager (really a Clevo) NP81703D battery has about 2.5 minutes worth of juice (which is oddly like several days worth of juice in sleep mode).
I paid $2500 and went through the entirety of college, library study sessions and all with this thing (yes, I often brought an extension cord with me). It's doable, and totally worth it, it still works brilliantly, I just need to drop $150 on a new battery.
Gaming laptops also kinda follow gimmick trends a bit: they stopped equipping laptops with 120hz screens in 2013 or so. It's all about 4k now. Glad I got mine. Better grab that G-Sync model while you can, kids.
Here's what you're gonna get with these types of laptops: about an hour of battery life (to start). You will be attached to a wall, even if you just want to do a word document. I know these chips are more power efficient + stuff like Optimus, but the simple fact is that the USP style battery in these things degrades like a mofo. 4 years later, my Sager (really a Clevo) NP81703D battery has about 2.5 minutes worth of juice (which is oddly like several days worth of juice in sleep mode).
I paid $2500 and went through the entirety of college, library study sessions and all with this thing (yes, I often brought an extension cord with me). It's doable, and totally worth it, it still works brilliantly, I just need to drop $150 on a new battery.
Gaming laptops also kinda follow gimmick trends a bit: they stopped equipping laptops with 120hz screens in 2013 or so. It's all about 4k now. Glad I got mine. Better grab that G-Sync model while you can, kids.
Yes, yes I am
Stated as if we haven't been overclocking the GPUs on laptops for close to a decade.
Is this powerful enough for VR?
Imagine sitting next to that guy on a plane
he's totally into it
Beerman462
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A few thoughts.
People complaining about battery. These aren't for playing The Witcher 3 on the bus and I would assume if you wanted to use it for light gaming or work while unplugged you could disable the discrete GPU to save battery.
I hope the Asus butt cooler can be removed for transport.
The Aorus and the Clevo don't look terrible. Plastic is probably a necessity. Imagine how hot an aluminum chassis would get.
I don't think I would ever buy one, but I like the idea of the small form factor 980. Put that thing in an affordable Steam machine.
People complaining about battery. These aren't for playing The Witcher 3 on the bus and I would assume if you wanted to use it for light gaming or work while unplugged you could disable the discrete GPU to save battery.
I hope the Asus butt cooler can be removed for transport.
The Aorus and the Clevo don't look terrible. Plastic is probably a necessity. Imagine how hot an aluminum chassis would get.
I don't think I would ever buy one, but I like the idea of the small form factor 980. Put that thing in an affordable Steam machine.
They had the full 1536 shader GTX 680 in laptops too, just at an appreciable lower frequency that made it closer to the 660 Ti and 670 in performance. It's nice to see another performance tier for mGPU, but I find it doubtful that this will offer 1:1 with an actual GTX 980, or as you put it a "full-fat desktop GTX 980".
This kind of laptops have display connected directly to dGPU, so no way to use integrated intel GPU. Which is great, saves a lot of hassle with crappy Optimus.
It's a dock, take a look at videos or articles.
Why not use few minutes to see videos with benchmarks?
I just watched what Hardware Canucks had to say, but it's a shame they really didn't seem interested in testing it beyond an OC and a pass of 3DMark. Hours long gaming at a high overclock with 82 degrees will lose in efficiency to a desktop running cooler and slightly faster. But it does look far closer to a desktop 980 than any Kepler mGPU was to a 680.
The Linus video also ran canned benchmarks, but thankfully some of those were games so it's good sign that it is so close although the gap would be greater in an actual gaming session. Nearly"full-fat" performance, it's better than I thought.
This probably will cause your legs to melt if you keep it on your lap too long.
Why don't laptop manufacturers and video card manufacturers find a way to get external graphics cards?
Actually seems like they have some sort of product like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX8Y2NWs7vg
Why don't laptop manufacturers and video card manufacturers find a way to get external graphics cards?
Actually seems like they have some sort of product like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX8Y2NWs7vg
Cizeta-Moroder
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There are some DIY solutions as well that are popular in some enthusiast circles. That's how I plan to extend my laptop's gaming lifespan, eventually... but for 4 years so far, dGPU has somehow sufficed.
Beerman462
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1. Seems like a bumner. Falling back on the iGPU would be nice to save battery life. Probably not a deal breaker for people interested anyway.
2. That's what I figured. Will check articles out after woork.
the worst mobile i7 performs as well as the desktop i5.
Dictator93
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Assuming the game does not prefer less cores more clock speed that is. SOmething like NS2 would suffer on a laptop CPU for that reason.
But yeah, basically any and every intel chip beats teh console jaguars. They are just too low clocked...
This is bad ass.
There is a group of gamers out there who spend most of their time needing a laptop form factor but still want the performance to game. I was like that for well over a year when I commuted to work and stayed in a different city during the week with my laptop and came home to my desktop on the weekend.
For those in smaller spaces like college dorms or cramped apartments, these gaming laptops are a solid alternative.
The fact that they're using G-sync panels is the icing on the cake. When I had my G1 980, it was a great card but just couldn't quite maintain a solid 60fps at the settings on some games I wanted to run so I grabbed the Ti instead. A g-sync panel would have probably made the regular 980 a viable option.
There is a group of gamers out there who spend most of their time needing a laptop form factor but still want the performance to game. I was like that for well over a year when I commuted to work and stayed in a different city during the week with my laptop and came home to my desktop on the weekend.
For those in smaller spaces like college dorms or cramped apartments, these gaming laptops are a solid alternative.
The fact that they're using G-sync panels is the icing on the cake. When I had my G1 980, it was a great card but just couldn't quite maintain a solid 60fps at the settings on some games I wanted to run so I grabbed the Ti instead. A g-sync panel would have probably made the regular 980 a viable option.
Lack of Optimus enables laptop to be used for VR.
Hybrid graphics solutions have some serious issues with VR, don't know what exactly. Extra latency is my guess.
Why are people even arguing about this? This is stuff designed for people who for whatever reason have to move between different places a lot, but will use the computer like a desktop on a desk. For example imagine a guy who for whatever reason lives half a week in a place and half a week in another one, and is a gamer. That guy will want this.
You won't, okay, you are not the target for this kind of stuff, we get it. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist, or that it's useless, or that it's a waste of money. It just mean it's not made for you.. I wouldn't find an use for it myself either but I'm sure a lot of people do.
You won't, okay, you are not the target for this kind of stuff, we get it. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist, or that it's useless, or that it's a waste of money. It just mean it's not made for you.. I wouldn't find an use for it myself either but I'm sure a lot of people do.
FYI, while ASUS is dGPU only, the MSI GT72 actually has a dedicated button for switching between the dGPU and iGPU. You just have to reboot between switches.
My GT72 on max fans keeps the GTX 980M around 72C, so there's plenty of thermal room for a beefier GPU.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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God, I just saw this and almost went haywire. While I can't imagine prices wil be nice, a 980, full on, in a laptop is just... WOW
Eh, if they have an integrated chip on the side that takes over when on battery, it could have reasonable battery life.
Gunslinger
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So what's the price for this? 5000 dollars?
neogaffer1
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this is what the asus laptop looks like without the water cooler
There's a pretty amazing thread for that: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1102861&page=1
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