Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west

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Could you please explain the story a bit more? If it really was just a case of GB emplying someone who is white and male with no other better candidate available for the job, then complaining about it comes off to me as rather sexist and / or racist. Of course, if they chose the white male due to his sex or skin-tone or discriminated other candidates who were better fit for the job but were female and / or not white, then complaining about it is not toxic. Since the description of the case in the posting you quoted is quite brief (and maybe over simplifying?), I want to ask for clarification.

I don't know how to explain to someone why hoping for diversity is not a bad thing.

I wrote a thing a while back about how Dan Ryckert was the correct choice, but it brings into the spotlight that he was the most qualified, experienced choice because game journalism is a club of almost entirely white men. Do you think this is simply because white men are the only ones who want to do it? Of course the most experienced people on camera will be people who were given shots ten years ago that no one else got. Of course the people who are most entrenched in games journalism now are people who could spend their entire college career just writing game reviews because there was no danger of them not living up societal expectations. People who didn't fit this mold are only now getting shots, but no one outside of the established hierarchy is being picked for the majors.

Mind you, I have seen you post, and you're going to find some way to go "But isn't questioning sexism THE REAL SEXISM" and then pretend you don't really understand any other argument, so it's less that I'm talking to you and more talking past you to anyone willing to listen.
 
Did Play-Asia poke fun at and place a blame a group of individuals when there was no one to blame (yet?). Yes they did. Did they use insults, derogatory language or offensive means to do so? No they did not. Do they deserve to be dog-piled on with unfollows, unsupporters, and people not buying from their store anymore? I don't think so but people are free to do as they please. I do think however that they could ease up or erase the tweets they used to poke fun at that group of people, but then again, Play-Asia are free to do as they please as well so this is a stalemate. If anything, whoever is in charge of that twitter account is equivalent to a child poking a hornets nest/bee hive from a safe distance and making sure they don't nudge too hard.

No, they just egged on and enabled thousands of people to do it for them. Joy.
 

Thank you, in this case I have to say the riginal tweet was questionable, but the reaction to it was dumb and bullying, so I'd rate the reaction as the more problematic thing here.

Wrt the colourblindness: The article doesn't make a good job of telling me exactly what colourblindness is and what the alternartive to it is. If colourblindness means the following: Every human should always (disregarding choice of a partner obviously, there the sex is of course important) solely judged, evaluated and chosen for a task based on qualification and skills. Sex (if it is not a position that inherently needs a specific sex, e.g. a model for a specific line of clothinh), religion (if it is not a position that inherently needs a specific religion, i.e. a priest) and ethnicity should never play any role in that. If that is promoting colourblindness, then yes, I do promote colourblindness. It is completely fine to make studies analysing correspondences of basically anything with any of these three variables though, so if promoting colourblindness means to promote banning analysis of statistical data separated by sex, ethnicity or religion, then I do not promote colourblindness.
 
Thank you, in this case I have to say the riginal tweet was questionable, but the reaction to it was dumb and bullying, so I'd rate the reaction as the more problematic thing here.

Wrt the colourblindness: The article doesn't make a good job of telling me exactly what colourblindness is and what the alternartive to it is. If colourblindness means the following: Every human should always (disregarding choice of a partner obviously, there the sex is of course important) solely judged, evaluated and chosen for a task based on qualification and skills. Sex (if it is not a position that inherently needs a specific sex, e.g. a model for a specific line of clothinh), religion (if it is not a position that inherently needs a specific religion, i.e. a priest) and ethnicity should never play any role in that. If that is promoting colourblindness, then yes, I do promote colourblindness. It is completely fine to make studies analysing correspondences of basically anything with any of these three variables though, so if promoting colourblindness means to promote banning analysis of statistical data separated by sex, ethnicity or religion, then I do not promote colourblindness.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/colorblindness-adds-to-racism/

By ignoring racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., you contribute to ignore how oppression of non-hegemonic identities work.
 
I don't know how to explain to someone why hoping for diversity is not a bad thing.

I wrote a thing a while back about how Dan Ryckert was the correct choice, but it brings into the spotlight that he was the most qualified, experienced choice because game journalism is a club of almost entirely white men. Do you think this is simply because white men are the only ones who want to do it? Of course the most experienced people on camera will be people who were given shots ten years ago that no one else got. Of course the people who are most entrenched in games journalism now are people who could spend their entire college career just writing game reviews because there was no danger of them not living up societal expectations. People who didn't fit this mold are only now getting shots, but no one outside of the established hierarchy is being picked for the majors.

Mind you, I have seen you post, and you're going to find some way to go "But isn't questioning sexism THE REAL SEXISM" and then pretend you don't really understand any other argument, so it's less that I'm talking to you and more talking past you to anyone willing to listen.
Personal assaults aside, I don't think it would be fair to say someone who has ten years of experience is necessarily more qualified than someone who has five years of experience; it also depends on what exactly the experience entails and what is needed for the job. In principle I don't find it unlikely that a female or someone of a different skin tone has applied to the job who is as well qualified as the one who got the job. I wouldn't assign a complete newcomer to a senior position though. I of course have no information on who applied to the job here, so I won't judge if they made the best possible choice or not. I just don't see any basis to claim they haven't.
 
Personal assaults aside, I don't think it would be fair to say someone who has ten years of experience is necessarily more qualified than someone who has five years of experience; it also depends on what exactly the experience entails and what is needed for the job. In principle I don't find it unlikely that a female or someone of a different skin tone has applied to the job who is as well qualified as the one who got the job. I wouldn't assign a complete newcomer to a senior position though. I of course have no information on who applied to the job here, so I won't judge if they made the best possible choice or not. I just don't see any basis to claim they haven't.

We are getting wildly off-topic, but :

Myth 10: Support for affirmative action means support for preferential selection procedures that favor unqualified candidates over qualified candidates.

Actually, most supporters of affirmative action oppose this type of preferential selection. Preferential selection procedures can be ordered along the following continuum:

  • Selection among equally qualified candidates. The mildest form of affirmative action selection occurs when a female or minority candidate is chosen from a pool of equally qualified applicants (e.g., students with identical college entrance scores). Survey research suggests that three-quarters of the public does not see this type of affirmative action as discriminatory (Roper Center for Public Opinion, 1995d).
  • Selection among comparable candidates. A somewhat stronger form occurs when female or minority candidates are roughly comparable to other candidates (e.g., their college entrance scores are lower, but not by a significant amount). The logic here is similar to the logic of selecting among equally qualified candidates; all that is needed is an understanding that, for example, predictions based on an SAT score of 620 are virtually indistinguishable from predictions based on an SAT score of 630.
  • Selection among unequal candidates. A still stronger form of affirmative action occurs when qualified female or minority candidates are chosen over candidates whose records are better by a substantial amount.
  • Selection among qualified and unqualified candidates. The strongest form of preferential selection occurs when unqualified female or minority members are chosen over other candidates who are qualified. Although affirmative action is sometimes mistakenly equated with this form of preferential treatment, federal regulations explicitly prohibit affirmative action programs in which unqualified or unneeded employees are hired (Electronic Code of Federal Regulations, 2011).
Even though these selection procedures occasionally blend into one another (due in part to the difficulty of comparing incommensurable records), a few general observations can be made. First, of the four different procedures, the selection of women and minority members among equal or roughly comparable candidates has the greatest public support, adheres most closely to popular conceptions of fairness, and reduces the chances that affirmative action beneficiaries will be perceived as unqualified or undeserving (Kravitz & Platania, 1993; Nacoste, 1985; Turner & Pratkanis, 1994). Second, the selection of women and minority members among unequal candidates -- used routinely in college admissions -- has deeply divided the nation (with the strongest opposition coming from White males and conservative voters.) And finally, the selection of unqualified candidates is not permitted under federal affirmative action guidelines and should not be equated with legal forms of affirmative action. By distinguishing among these four different selection procedures, it becomes clear that opposition to stronger selection procedures need not imply opposition to milder ones.

http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm
 
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/colorblindness-adds-to-racism/

By ignoring racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., you contribute to ignore how oppression of non-hegemonic identities work.

Currently reading the article, just so much in advance: I do not want to claim racism, sexism, homophobia etc should be ignored, to the contrary, it should be fought and for instance in the case above, if some applicant to the position feels discriminated, I would want them to go to court, because discrimination should never be accepted. This is also an important reason why I say of course science shouldn't be blind to these factors. However, if you are acting yourself, you should solely judge people as individuals, not according to sex, ethnicity or religion.
 

Then I will say what I think about this: If the choice is possible by qualification I would group people of comparable qualifications (so for instance grouping all people who have a universities degree of 1,0-1,5 into the "very good" group, all that have 1,6-2,5 into the "good" group and so on, so not differentiating by small differences in ratings and then choose randomly among all candidates that are in the top tier among all needed qualifications. All four proposed solutions in your quote are unfair, but only 3 & 4 are so unfair I would say they shouldn't ever be used where choice by random is not possible.
 
It's not, how about you at least inform yourself a bit instead of coming to this thread to make an ignorant post.
Inform myself on a game I have no interest in buying and could give two shits about? I'll be sure to do that. You should stop taking someone's differing opinion on a fucking video game as a personal attack though. But given your avatar you'll probably continue to be offended when people think waifu shit is weird
 
Inform myself on a game I have no interest in buying and could give two shits about? I'll be sure to do that. You should stop taking someone's differing opinion on a fucking video game as a personal attack though. But given your avatar you'll probably continue to be offended when people think waifu shit is weird

Why even post to begin with then? Just to be a fuckwit?

"Urr hurr Japan's weird you guys! See you later!"
 
So is there a place to get the Asia version of this game from a place other than Play-Asia? I'd rather not support their business.

I may be a perv, but I have morals!

You could try AmiAmi - they're ok. NCSX someone posted are only carrying the expensive version. There's always ebay too, you know it'll be all over there after release from a variety of small export sellers.

I did the opposite, since I already had a preorder with PA for this game, I went ahead and ordered something else I was planning to buy from them too.
 
So is there a place to get the Asia version of this game from a place other than Play-Asia? I'd rather not support their business.

I may be a perv, but I have morals!
buygame2.com has the Hong Kong version. On their old site you could change the customs value to your own liking, but it seems like they removed that option. You could probably still send them a remark during the order process to lower the customs value.
 
Did Play-Asia poke fun at and place a blame a group of individuals when there was no one to blame (yet?). Yes they did. Did they use insults, derogatory language or offensive means to do so? No they did not. Do they deserve to be dog-piled on with unfollows, unsupporters, and people not buying from their store anymore? I don't think so but people are free to do as they please.

Wait, how can you excuse blaming the SJW boogeyman just because they didn't use insults? It's not like people get a free pass at pulling shit out of their ass just because they don't use coarse language.

Play-Asia has gained follows because of this, anyway. It was a marketing tactic. They aren't being dogpiled in the same way people speaking against their tweets are, either.
 
How do you cancel an order on Play Asia? I haven't been able to figure it out.
just send support an email with the body text "sjw"


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After having read the article on colourblindness, I must say the following things:
- I still stand by the point that when evaluating people (for instance when choosing someone for a job), whenever possible, factors like race and sex should be ignored. Where possible, this can be achieved through anonymisation, something I fought for here at the university for all exams I correct - never to see people's names, but just an anonymous code when evaluating the exam, to ensure subconscious discrimination cannot happen.
- Ignoring ethnicity (still, as far as I know race is biologically not fine to use here), sex and religion when assessing a person should always be an important goal
- Ignoring ethnicity, sex and religion when evaluating discrimination would be stupid, of couse in these cases you need to distinguish, otherwise you cannot produce any meaningful results on discrimination.
- I think that people being proud of their race (should better read: Ethnicity) are similar to people who are proud of their nationality: Ill-guided and with a high potential for racism. However, often it is not really pride in race, it is just classified incorrectly. People might of course identify with their culture, this is completely fine and it can happen that a culture is predominantly associated with a certain ethnicity. This, however, is not the same logically as being proud of the race. If I had been adopted by a black US family as a toddler, chances are, I would identify with "black" (and I must maintain, calling it black is disingenious and imprecise) "race" (meaning culture in this case, rather than ethnicity!), similar to how my sister's boyfriend, who was born a Korean but quickly adopted by a German couple and completely identifies as German culturally (which again needs to be differentiated from identifying as a German, legally).
 
Heh, considering this is Tecmo I will certainly not be surprised that in some future they just decide to release a US version after all, even if it's a PSN/digital only game. They can't resist that DLC money, no way, and like hell I'd believe them when they said that this game won't have any DLCs.

The only comment that Team Ninja have made about it (Hayashi specifically) is that they'll consider releasing an adjusted version in the US if there's a high enough demand. This was back when it was announced. The Japanese branch haven't said anything else about it since then.
 
Wait, how can you excuse blaming the SJW boogeyman just because they didn't use insults? It's not like people get a free pass at pulling shit out of their ass just because they don't use coarse language.

Play-Asia has gained follows because of this, anyway. It was a marketing tactic. They aren't being dogpiled in the same way people speaking against their tweets are, either.

They blamed SJWs for the game not coming over from what I saw and were completely unapologetic in doing so. They aren't going after minorities, aligning themselves as GGers, insulting anyone directly or anything along those lines from what I've personally seen.

If you're offended by what they said you're entitled not to do business with them but they are basically taking fire at an ideology they disagree with, which I personally don't see an issue with.

I'm not going to do business with them personally but that's because thier customer service is bad and they don't properly stand by thier products but thier conduct here I personally don't have a problem with.
 
I didn't want to talk about this subject, but now I see people suspecting Play-Asia doxxing them in the future and I just don't understand how people get to that conclusion. It feels like putting the cart before the horse.
Wouldn't that be corporate, financial and legal suicide for a company that's pretty much in the public eye? I don't get how you reach this conclusion from unsavory tweets and a couple GIFs.
Can someone explain to me the reasons for this? I'm sincerely confused.
 
I didn't want to talk about this subject, but now I see people suspecting Play-Asia doxxing them in the future and I just don't understand how people get to that conclusion. It feels like putting the cart before the horse.
Wouldn't that be corporate, financial and legal suicide for a company that's pretty much in the public eye? I don't get how you reach this conclusion from unsavory tweets and a couple GIFs.
Can someone explain to me the reasons for this? I'm sincerely confused.

People on both ends are flipping out and acting like the other side is crazy. I don't see any reason not to buy from them if you weren't offended by thier tweets.

Aside from thier piss poor customer service.

Is there anyway there retailer carrying the Asian English version?
 
They blamed SJWs for the game not coming over from what I saw and were completely unapologetic in doing so. They aren't going after minorities, aligning themselves as GGers, insulting anyone directly or anything along those lines from what I've personally seen.

If you're offended by what they said you're entitled not to do business with them but they are basically taking fire at an ideology they disagree with, which I personally don't see an issue with.

I'm not going to do business with them personally but that's because thier customer service is bad and they don't properly stand by thier products but thier conduct here I personally don't have a problem with.

You're missing the point. It doesn't make it okay to make a baseless accusation just because they didn't insult anybody directly. The fanned the flames of a heated issue and stirred up shit for GGers to feast off of.

They are definitely aligning themselves with GG, though. Like you said, they're totally unapologetic about whining about imaginary SJWs stopping the localisation of this game. That's a pretty GG thing to do.

People on both ends are flipping out and acting like the other side is crazy. I don't see any reason not to buy from them if you weren't offended by thier tweets.

Aside from thier piss poor customer service.

Is there anyway there retailer carrying the Asian English version?

Mmm, pretty sure GGers are flipping out and everybody else is rolling their eyes at a forced controversy. There's certainly nobody foaming at the mouth in this thread.
 
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/colorblindness-adds-to-racism/

By ignoring racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., you contribute to ignore how oppression of non-hegemonic identities work.

You're never going to explain and get people to join your cause with language like that. If someone is naïve and doesn't understand why "colorblindness" might be a flawed way of looking at things you will not win them over with talk on "non-hegemonic identities."

You also failed to link colorblindness to any actual contributions to racism, sexism, etc. Now you and I both know that it does, but that your first reaction was not to explain but to lazily post a link and double down on in-group language tells me convincing another person of your cause wasn't the goal you had in mind.
 
Some people complained. The most toxic thing possible.

In response, parts of the GB Community rushed to harass and shout down everyone who said anything, especially if they were women. But it's really the complainers' fault.

The mods there are absolutely crazy now. I literally just got banned for four weeks there for posting in a DOAX 3 thread and simply posting a screenshot from the game.
 
Inform myself on a game I have no interest in buying and could give two shits about? I'll be sure to do that. You should stop taking someone's differing opinion on a fucking video game as a personal attack though. But given your avatar you'll probably continue to be offended when people think waifu shit is weird

Stop making excuses or using my avatar to try to defend yourself, you're just making yourself look like an idiot.

Coming to this thread to just drop a "Japan is fucking weird, am I right guys?" is stupid as hell and you aren't adding anything to the conversation.
 
I've already seen gamer groups on my FB viewing this incident as "IGN and Gamespot don't want Play-Asia to let you import Dead or Alive Xtreme 3"

They're not gamergate-centric groups at all.. But disinformation spreads wide and far....
 
Is it also considered censorship when people complained about the tripping in Smash Bros or when people complain about Sonic's Shitty Friends(tm), which have also been used less and less recently? What about the Metroid Prime Federation Force and Devil may Cry: Devil may Cry backlash? People react and criticise, developers either act on the criticism or ignore it depending on what they think is best. I don't see why complaining about representation is any different. It's up to the devs at the end of the day.
 
I've been catching up on this every couple of hours and I don't know why. As a baseline, I'm in a shade of grey here, I agree with a lot in terms of people wanting a better representation of women in games and I think SJW is a stupid fucking term... But I also love DOA and have this game ordered because it's dumb, and I can have fun with it by acknowledging how much of a dumb thing it is. I'm a levelheaded adult who isn't trying to justify this game as being anything more or less than it is.

That said, I'm starting to find this entire situation far more embarrassing than the actual game itself.
 
Is it also considered censorship when people complained about the tripping in Smash Bros or when people complain about Sonic's Shitty Friends(tm), which have also been used less and less recently? What about the Metroid Prime Federation Force and Devil may Cry: Devil may Cry backlash? People react and criticise, developers either act on the criticism or ignore it depending on what they think is best. I don't see why complaining about representation is any different. It's up to the devs at the end of the day.

It is literally only censorship if it involves better representation of women, or including LGBT folks or a more racially diverse cast. Any other complaints or criticism are perfectly valid, but those three things are compromising the auteur's artistic integrity.
 
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