None of my business really but I find it hard to believe a ticket cost for a movie 4 months out would be hard to come by. But if that's the case, that's the case, and hope it all works out in your favor whatever direction it goes.
Batman v Superman - New Official Trailer
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None of my business really but I find it hard to believe a ticket cost for a movie 4 months out would be hard to come by. But if that's the case, that's the case, and hope it all works out in your favor whatever direction it goes.
After the first trailer I was in there for opening weekend and was telling my friends all about it. Now, unless a group of buddies wants to go, I'm just going to wait on initial impressions to see if it's something I should watch in theaters or wait for Redbox. I do hope it turns out to be fantastic, but I'm keeping my expectations in check. Hoping for the best
neogaffer1
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of the new lines they've started, gotham academy, omega men, robin: son of batman, martian manhunter, black canary, and b&r eternal have been really good. most of the rest has either stayed the same or increased in quality in varying amounts (green arrow went from really good with outsider's war to really bad post that run, to decently good right now; superman went from "we really don't know what we want to do with this line" to "we know exactly what we want to do with this line," and JL darkseid war has been top line stuff).
the only decrease in quality i can think of is aquaman, who went from pretty good to kind of boring and cliche.
Can Crusher
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What is nonsense is you taking issue with somebody expressing an opinion that isn't positive. The trailer is trash, so it's completely normal that some people will be turned off by the prospect of paying 10$ to watch it.
I loved the SDCC trailer, and I think this was a good trailer cut not too well.
I'm starting to realize that this trailer wasn't meant for me... it was meant for the large masses. The casual audience. The one that reports say "they want to see everything in the trailer" (yeah, that's actually a thing that happens, I think movie goers feel assured about a movie when they know what happens).
Too bad it seems like he didn't edit this one.
I can't wait to watch his review, I totally 100% think he'll go in with an open mind and no a confirmation bias... oh wait.
I'm starting to realize that this trailer wasn't meant for me... it was meant for the large masses. The casual audience. The one that reports say "they want to see everything in the trailer" (yeah, that's actually a thing that happens, I think movie goers feel assured about a movie when they know what happens).
Too bad it seems like he didn't edit this one.
I can't wait to watch his review, I totally 100% think he'll go in with an open mind and no a confirmation bias... oh wait.
BewareTheBatsie
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The thing is that you wouldn't really need to show much outside of Batman and Superman feuding. The title of this movie alone is guaranteed to fill many seats.
Kenzodielocke
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I don't get the attitude of movie studios releasing trailers that are basically showing the whole movie.
It is called "Batman v Superman" for fucks sake, that is marketing enough.
Nah, apparently that's not the case. Here's a EW article and I've seen it mentioned a few times already. Be warned, there are spoilers in the article:
More_Badass
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I've noticed that split among my own family. I shows my dad the first trailer for The Revenant, and he was like, "Well, looks nice, but I don't even know what the story is". While for me, the atmosphere and cinematography and setting was enough to sell me on the movie
Same for the trailers of Interstellar and Star Wars
It's hard to gauge, especially with the trailer from Captain America showing a lot more heroes than advertised. It was a good surprise for most people.... I assume someone at Warner got scared, because this trailer feels very rushed.
What about those people that didn't find it to be trash? Are their opinions now invalid because you didn't like it?
This is what I'm talking about. These conversations going in infinite circles. I don't care about negative opinions. I care about opinions that rule out conversation about that opinion. "Best thing ever" or "This is garbage" aren't conducive to conversation and what the hell is the point of posting if you're not going to conversate?
You liked it? Cool, let's talk about it.
You didn't like it? Cool, let's talk about it.
Really not singling him or you out. More of a general thing.
Dash_Riprock
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Any time a trailer spoils the third act, it should be taken as a sign that someone at the studio is afraid that audiences don't "get" the movie.
This is not automatically a bad thing. Lets never forgot that Avatar's trailer also spoiled the entire fucking film...
MisterHero
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Now everyone knows why it should've been called "World's Finest".
Batman vs. Superman is a terrible idea that TDKReturns fans want to hang onto.
DCAU started from/revolves around Batman TAS, so there was incentive to even up Bats's rivalry with Supes. In 99.999999999% of matchups Supes would destroy Batman. Batman a genius? Superman's parents were Krypton's leading scientists. And Supes's brain is/should be enhanced by the sun. The concept alone requires too much stooping to work, but this movie exists and that's what you're getting.
and there's still stuff that we haven't seen yet
-whatever's left of the football scene (Cyborg's introduction?)
-Kryptonite (Metallo?)
-Aquaman
-LexOSit's Brainiac lol
-Diana Prince's involvement beyond saving Batman's ass
-How Batman's origin is handled
-How the hell did Lex get Zod's body in the first place
-Doomsday is NOT the only villain (Lex-baby, duh)
Batman vs. Superman is a terrible idea that TDKReturns fans want to hang onto.
DCAU started from/revolves around Batman TAS, so there was incentive to even up Bats's rivalry with Supes. In 99.999999999% of matchups Supes would destroy Batman. Batman a genius? Superman's parents were Krypton's leading scientists. And Supes's brain is/should be enhanced by the sun. The concept alone requires too much stooping to work, but this movie exists and that's what you're getting.
and there's still stuff that we haven't seen yet
-whatever's left of the football scene (Cyborg's introduction?)
-Kryptonite (Metallo?)
-Aquaman
-LexOS
-Diana Prince's involvement beyond saving Batman's ass
-How Batman's origin is handled
-How the hell did Lex get Zod's body in the first place
-Doomsday is NOT the only villain (Lex-baby, duh)
Solid SOAP
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An effective trailer should be confident enough to sell the concept of the movie without haphazardly trying to sell to a specific demographic per trailer, though. TDK trailers didn't force in the few comic relief moments and jokes in a whack attempt to sell to kids/families, the trailers all confidently presented their concept for a dark Batman flick and it paid off in the long run.
Trailers like this might be effective in the short term by putting butts in the seats, but I really feel like the DCCU is not going to last very long because viewers will get tired of seeing shitty movies and/or movies that are darker than expected for the target demo. Like you said, this trailer was meant to sell the casual audience, of which is probably families and their kids. I imagine this film will get pretty dark at times, so are parents really gonna want to bring their kids to the sequel if the first movie scarred them?
Schweinehund
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There's also the horsemen from the SDCC trailer, why is Superman standing behind Lex while he's creating doomsdsay, and who is shooting Superman with bullets (obviously not Batman, the backdrop isn't the same as where they were fighting and he isn't in his armored suit).
Though I feel safe saying I won't be watching the next trailer.
Though I feel safe saying I won't be watching the next trailer.
Poodlestrike
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The Omega Men, Martian Manhunter, Robin Son of Batman, Starfire, We Are Robin, Lois & Clark, all great stuff, all post convergence and there's more. The first two in particular are some of the best stuff on shelves.
Action Comics and Superman experienced a dramatic uptick in quality as well.
I would guess that he's not trying to hurt him, but corral him into a particular area.
Solid SOAP
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I just wish DC were more confident to do their own thing and not play catch up with Marvel. It's clear that they're including all these baddies and "heroes" clashing because they want to be toe-to-toe with how large in scale Marvel currently are, but Marvel were able to achieve what they have now by slowly building up to it. Even having Batman and Superman fight in their 2nd universe movie is excessive, imo, let alone having Wonder Woman, Lex, and a fucking giant monster into the mix as well.
Would it have killed them to focus this movie on the battle between the two titular characters? Wouldn't having one great, satisfying battle excite viewers more than trying to cram half a dozen characters and plots down their throat at once?
Save Wonder Woman's big reveal for her own movie, throw Doomsday in later. These characters are cock-blocking the fight between the two characters we wanna see battle! So stupid and rushed :/
Would it have killed them to focus this movie on the battle between the two titular characters? Wouldn't having one great, satisfying battle excite viewers more than trying to cram half a dozen characters and plots down their throat at once?
Save Wonder Woman's big reveal for her own movie, throw Doomsday in later. These characters are cock-blocking the fight between the two characters we wanna see battle! So stupid and rushed :/
TheKaeptain
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We've known this for years. There are studies about how human's really don't like surprises. We want comfort and familiarity.
Agreed, totally. I mean, I'd excuse it if it seemed like the movies were actually going to be, like, okay. But I hated Man of Steel. Absolutely hated it.
And it's like SalsaShark said earlier in the thread. We're stuck with this. As long as Snyder is here, and we are using this actors and stuff, this is what we are stuck with.
MisterHero
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Except Avengers pretty much threw all of its characters together at the last minute. That was the point and explained why they didn't work well together until the end.
and you realize Spider-Man and Black Panther are debuting without their respective movies right?
TO BE FAIR: you'd have more of a point if it was about which made Marvel more money. DC can introduce the same amount of characters but make less money from only 2 movies (3 if you count Suicide Squad)
But by virtue of their second movie being a team up movie, they're already doing their own thing. If anything, what you're suggesting is closer to what Marvel did than some unique thing.
And this idea of "rushed" is still funny to me. This movie has been in production for three years now. There's still two more movies between this and JLA, which puts them at one less movie than Marvel had before Avengers. Yes this movie appears to have a lot of moving parts, but so what? Lots have movies have been made that have just as many if not moving parts and worked out fine.
If you don't think all the parts here will come together, fine. That's a perfectly valid concern. But you can't really say definitely that it doesn't work or it's excessive or what have you until you have actually seen the film.
Black Widow also hasn't gotten her own movie. Hawkeye debuted in The Avengers (unless you really wanna count that 5 hot seconds he was in Thor).
It's not gard, I wouldn't need to hunger, but movies are luxury and I want a lot of luxury. If I think that movie will probably not worth it for me, I invest in my other luxury needs. And well, I honestly don't think that anything will happen that changes my perception about the movie from here on.
Omega Men and MM aren't my jam, but maybe I give it a chance. But at the moment I don't feel like buying new comics and rather sell my old ones. DC slapped me often enough. I still grief for Checkmate and the old Secret Six series and I am angry that I bought every issue of Batman Eternal because it turned out awful.
AtomnayaKlubnika
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Yes, the Batman vs Superman rivalry would have been enough imo. A focused interpretation of TDKR, with an old disillusioned and suicidal Batman and a Superman who think of himself as a god (kind like in Red Son).
Isn't the prospect of seeing two of the most iconic superheroes of all time (if not the only two) fighting each other enough to make it an amazing experience? Sure it would, for fans and casuals alike.
And do we need to market Batman or Superman nowadays?
More_Badass
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We have absolutely no idea of if the movie or their conflict will feel rushed. None.
If the movie is 2 h 23 minutes like Avengers, and they send like an hour and half on the Batman/Superman conflict, with Doomsday coming at the end and Wonder Woman interspersed throughout, would it feel rushed or that the movie isn't about them?
No one here can say that the movie will be rushed, that the movie won't mainly focus on their conflict, etc., because we just don't know
Isn't doing it their own way displaying their own confidence in their own way? They aren't going the Marvel route, instead down a different path.
To the second point, it's been debated ad nasuem. That's the reason why you have a Doomsday in the movie. You focus on Batman and Superman and then Lex pulling the strings between the two. Doomsday has absolutely no need for plot setup, he's a shallow super villain who can't talk with no motivation or depth beyond "must kill Superman." If that's not the perfect villain to throw away I don't know what is...
dragonyeuw
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I think they work best as side characters, not sure they can carry their own films. Then again, I'd have LOLed 5 years ago if you told me they'd give Ant-man his own film, and that worked out great.
We could have had a fun spy movie featuring one or both of them before Avengers launched. Certainly would rather have had that than IM2.
dragonyeuw
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Cant argue with that one.
More_Badass
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I disagree. Mainly because this isn't the kind of conflict that works as a final climax.
1) Batman never really wins a fight against Clark in the comics. He either gets utterly owned by Superman or he's just doing whatever he can to stun and delay him.
2) This conflict tends to be more about their ideology than the actual victor.
TDKR - Bruce was trying to prove a point.
Hush - Batman was trying to break Poison Ivy's mind control of Clark
Lex Luthor - Batman was manipulated into confronting Clark by Lex
3) Those conflicts are usually provoked by outside forces. Poison Ivy, Lex, the government, etc. Here, we know Lex has kryptonite, and that's really the only way to weaken Superman enough for Bruce and Clark to have a fight where Batman is actually muscling Superman around like in the trailer. So you can bet that Lex has a hand in provoking their fight in the movie.
Personally I just think spending an hour and a half, two hours building to a fight where Superman wins (because there's no way Batman wins this) and then they come to an understanding seems kind of anti-climatic
Plus, half the thrill is seeing them come to together and then fight a threat, and seeing their methods complement each other. That's the real cool thing about a movie with Batman and Superman together. It's not just the fight, it's the team-up afterwards
I think it's good, but it's not a film that cares about doing anything traditionally. It's abstract on purpose and the idea it's trying to convey is buried behind what a majority of people would consider nonsense: the dialogue, the costumes, the action sequences etc. You have to look for it especially if you're not watching the director's cut. There's a scene that was removed in the theatrical version that pretty much spells it out for even a kindergartner to understand. I think if more people viewed it through that thematic lens, a lot more people would have liked it. But the movie is called Sucker Punch and I guess the whole point of the movie is for people to not see it coming.
If anything, I hope the movie gets an "interesting failure" attached to it sometime in the future.
More like "New York's Finest", which is how we still refer to law enforcement to this day... only Superman and Batman encompass the world and not just any one metropolitan area.
Massive_Edge
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zac snyder is one of the best when it comes to fight scenes...but i just can't get into his stories
That just confirms my point.
BadAss2961
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Marvel had to build slowly because no one knew who their characters were. Even then; Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man 2 probably didn't even need to happen. One could argue those were excessive. And now with all the movies they've done, Cap and Iron Man seriously fighting each other at this point is really stupid. Many fans were hoping Civil War wouldn't happen... But at the end of the day, like everything Marvel, who cares right? There's no weight to anything that happens in that universe. None of it will matter. Just roll with it.
Back to DC... When you have Batman and Superman, you can use them to sell everything else. Batman and Joker ensures Suicide Squad's success. BvS, SS, and Wonder Woman will be more than enough to kickoff Justice League, which will be the 5th movie in the universe.
The BvS clash happening right away makes sense in terms of plot, especially considering the kind of Batman they're going with. Had they been in Marvel's spot, writing a story where these guys come to blows after they've already bonded through multiple movies would likely be nonsense. The novelty of seeing them share the screen would also be long gone. They had implied history in The Dark Knight Returns, but that was Miller's own twisted take on the universe where Supes was a government tool, Bats a fucking mad man, and where you got the feeling they were always unfriendly.
I understand skepticism about including Doomsday, but Wonder Woman will probably be essential in bringing the titular characters together. I'll watch the movie before deciding whether we got a complete BvS story or too much bloat. 2 and 1/2 hours is enough time to pull this off.
Ever heard of Bootface?
Guess who that boot print belongs to.
That's not equivalent branding criminals. That's not even remotely close to branding criminals! Why did you bring that up?
I haven't read it, but I did watch the movie (which didn't have him doing that) but my gut tells me it was probably justified in the comic (either by his age or through some context i'm not aware of). It just seems overly sadistic in this case.
BadAss2961
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Since you watched the movie you saw him batter, cripple, and fry criminals just to send a message.
FunkyMunkey
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uhhh this isn't newbie batman wanting the world to be roses and peaches. this is batman after decades of seeing all kinds of messed up shit. like someone else said his character does change throughout his career, read the dark knight returns
The One and Done
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I can't wait to see both BvS and CW on the same night. Gonna be awesome
It was necessitated by the situation. Crippling the mutant leader in front of his goons was done to dismantle the Mutants. Batman was also in his 50s and clearly jaded after Jason's death.
Branding random crooks is straight up unnecessary and borderline narcissistic.
BadAss2961
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He had the Mutant Leader beat before he crippled him. In other stories, that would've been enough to dismantle the Mutants.
How about after he crippled random goon, "he's young, he'll walk again." Or when fries that one mutant and looks all satisfied.
Also, BvS Batman is old and there's a dead Robin.
Monocle
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Now that I've seen this summary of the entire film's main plot points, I can't wait to experience all of the juicy in-between bits.
intro - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - slow stuff - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - talking - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - punching - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - final twist
It'll be like watching Terminator Genisys all over again!
intro - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - slow stuff - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - talking - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - punching - IMPORTANT TRAILER MOMENT - final twist
It'll be like watching Terminator Genisys all over again!
LOL watching Terminator Genesys was seriously just me waiting for the next trailer scene.
Monocle
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Supposedly the director wanted to keep the John Connor twist a secret (because duh), but marketing overruled him, lol.
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