They could still make a bigger explorable areas for each part that has all kinds of nooks & crannies with secrets to be found. Optional stuff like Vincent could still be something that you have to search for in a bigger overworld area and offer rewarding exploration that way. It really all depends what this being released in parts means. "Episodic" or being released in parts doesn't have to mean that each of those parts is some super-cramped 5 hour experience with no room for deviation. Maybe they are just planning to expand FFVII into a trilogy of games where each game's scope is like one Mass Effect or something.
Final Fantasy VII Remake is a multi-part series
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I don't foresee this to be a regular episodic TellTale-like game. Gonna be individual full-priced games, I have little doubt.
manipulate
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OrionsNebula
Member
Is it possible that episodic means it will have ffvii-2? I wonder if there is a miscommunication here
Leafhopper
Banned
I am really conflicted on this.
There are people I know that didn't play FF7 yet but wanted to but heard about this and decided to wait on it.
There are people I know that didn't play FF7 yet but wanted to but heard about this and decided to wait on it.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Before people leap to conclusions about what this could entail for the pricing structure, remember that we already know of an upcoming Square-Enix game with an episodic release method - Hitman - and that's $60 for everything as it releases.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
That doesn't put me at ease at fucking all. It's one reporter versus Squares own press release. Again, this:
is the part that scares the shit out of me. It sounds like even once this game is released it won't be one coherent game.
Mushroomer25
Member
It tends to happen when you're playing with nostalgia. Had Square made the announcement that FFXV would be episodic, I imagine people would've been more receptive and considered the many different ways that could manifest.
Instead, they're changing a game many people already love - and just want as-is, updated to modern graphics. So the reaction is naturally going to be vitriolic, as people already love FFVII - and are now convinced this project won't be the same.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Starcraft 2 did it well enough. Half-Life also did okay with it up until the point where they stopped releasing fucking episodes after a major cliffhanger.
You're acting as if they had no idea that anyone would have a problem with it. They knew the decision would be unpopular, that's why they dropped the news tonight instead of at the conference. They're going to do it anyway because they don't think it's going to piss off enough people to the point of them not buying it to impact sales that much, and they're probably right.
Dangansona
Member
The World Map shouldn't be an issue. Can't you just visualize the world map and do fast travel?
Even that shouldn't be necessary. They could recreate the overworld from the original at the same scale and no one would care. Come on Square.
Even that shouldn't be necessary. They could recreate the overworld from the original at the same scale and no one would care. Come on Square.
E-Cat
Member
Don't you see that the whole reason they're going for episodes is because they can only complete small chunks of the game at a time. It means no overworld, hence no backtracking.
Omnistalgic
Member
hmmm...can't say that I mind this one bit. You guys can patiently wait for all episodes to finish and play the complete game, or your an buy it episode by episode. Life is Strange followed a similar pattern i believe, and turned out rather fantastic.
unless the first part doesn't sell at all, i think they'll make everything. that way they can port it to ps5 and xb4 and nx version 2 and whatever else is going to be there in the future. this is almost like a kickstarter for the project, except you'll get part one right away, and maybe a limited edition too.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
AND PEOPLE WANTED A CHRONO TRIGGER REMAKE...?
That's just the cost of high-fidelity HD graphics where you have to animate every single blink of an eye and render beads of sweat running down Cloud's pristine cheeks
maniac-kun
Member
I still will buy everything from this remake. I dont care. It just means we get it into our hands quicker. I hope they release the other parts rather quick. Or they can have a UHD PS5 collector edition.
No way is Vincent and Yuffie optional. They will definitely be a mandatory part of the cast.
Jawmuncher
Member
Yeah details need to be now and laid out.
DeVeAn
Member
Lol, my God and here I was hyped as fuck after that last trailer.
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I'm guessing we will still have the base game but they'll include side stories/DLC or other remakes like:
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Remake (playable)
or even
Episode Vincent DLC
Episode Yuffie DLC
Episode Nibelheim DLC
Since 70-80% will use almost use the same assets.
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Remake (playable)
or even
Episode Vincent DLC
Episode Yuffie DLC
Episode Nibelheim DLC
Since 70-80% will use almost use the same assets.
Quintin DM
Member
Hmm ok this makes me feel a little better about this, but I still need to hear more.
You don't even know where the episode boundaries are, so yes you do need more detail. F this negativity about snippets of information.
You are literally making up a narrative in your head and then get pissed at it.
Nah it's just that people are legit losing their mind in post form.
Like legit breathe you post. I can 100% see someone upset at this or whatever, but talking about how your chest is hurting or your boner is killed in all caps across multiple posts is just asinine.
Also, say this is episodic and is set across the three discs, which may not even be the case if the WSJ post is to be believed, y'all are totally going to buy it anyways.
It's going to be a L4D2/MW2/BO petition thing all over again.
GregLombardi
Member
Square Enix had one job to do. One job. Remake Final Fantasy 7. In order to deal with development costs, they probably could have done either of the following and I would have been way more than satisfied:
1. Charged me $100 for the final game and released it in 2019.
2. Charged me $60 for the game and had DLC micro transactions, and maybe some other revenue stream that made sense within a full, complete holistic product in 2019.
Or, they could have:
3. Split the game into multiple games and forced consumers to buy them over an extended period of time, clearly making a money grab like Starcraft 2 and completely shitting over the holistic complete package that was the original game, creating a schism in its story, in my enjoyment of the product, and maybe even in the gameplay or the quality of the final product (since multiple directors / employees will probably be working on different parts), making me loathe myself for getting excited.
It appears they chose 3.
1. Charged me $100 for the final game and released it in 2019.
2. Charged me $60 for the game and had DLC micro transactions, and maybe some other revenue stream that made sense within a full, complete holistic product in 2019.
Or, they could have:
3. Split the game into multiple games and forced consumers to buy them over an extended period of time, clearly making a money grab like Starcraft 2 and completely shitting over the holistic complete package that was the original game, creating a schism in its story, in my enjoyment of the product, and maybe even in the gameplay or the quality of the final product (since multiple directors / employees will probably be working on different parts), making me loathe myself for getting excited.
It appears they chose 3.
Peterthumpa
Member
If that means getting the first "chapter" by next year, so be it. Can't wait to play it.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Y'alls brains are really melting eh? Everytime I check back the thread has grown like five pages.
Dangansona
Member
I don't think people care about the wait, it's what it will do to the game design and for me personally lessening the artistic value of this game.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Some of you are such whiny asses, it's god damn annoying. Episodic storytelling is not inherently bad, so stop treating this announcement as if the well-awaited remake is already doomed. Wait until the fucking game is out. Or at least until several months before release to get an idea of how the game is shaping up.
Fucking hell.
Fucking hell.
This sounds more like a FFVII-R trilogy. Splits story into three chunks, each of which will receive additional scenes.
meanspartan
Member
Ya why not just go all the way and let Telltale make it? /s
Seriously though, the game looked great and Id be happy with those graphics. But it wasnt anywhere near the best we've seen this gen. If money is an issue, scrap 15 and make 7 right lol.
Chrono was a much smaller game, wasn't it?
blankempathy
Member
Lol why are people sayings its basically like disk 1 2 and 3? When I bought ff7 all 3 discs came with my initial purchase and I didn't have to wait a period of time for my next disc to arrive. Honestly though I expected this and I think a lot of people are mad mostly because they actually trusted square enix not to fuck this up. And well should only be blaming themselves for believing in their hyped up expectations.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Lol reading this thread while playing the ps4 port is fucking awesome
anothertech
Member
People need to remember, the way current HD development goes, visuals and effects take much, MUCH longer than the simple 3D rendering of the original.
There is SO much content in the original game. Something this size could literally take 6 to 8 years of development time if done right. That is the cost of the massive amount of details these kinds of games have in them.
This isn't some bi yearly COD formulaic game being made. This is one of the grandest scale Final Fantasy games ever made. Expecting the entire thing done well while keeping the finer details intact is going to need some serious development time.
People need to chill.
There is SO much content in the original game. Something this size could literally take 6 to 8 years of development time if done right. That is the cost of the massive amount of details these kinds of games have in them.
This isn't some bi yearly COD formulaic game being made. This is one of the grandest scale Final Fantasy games ever made. Expecting the entire thing done well while keeping the finer details intact is going to need some serious development time.
People need to chill.
This is true for me too. The shit I enjoyed doing in FF7 had fuck all to do with the main storyline. Getting the highest scores possible in the gold saucer mini games, breeding chocobos, getting that materia that allowed you to convert enemies directly into items on kill, buying the beach house at Costa del Sol, creating master materia of all types for every one of my party members, playing the piano in nibelheim to get tifa's lvl4 limit, getting that sinking feeling in your gut when you meet the folks in gonaganga which is pretty much optional.
Lifejumper
Member
Guys. Is this the hobbit all over again? FINAL FANTASY VII PETER JACKSON EDITION?
GhostWriter24
Member
Ill wait til they're all out and play them in one marathonic, weeklong sitting.
Seven Force
Banned
Worked for Reesident Evil Revelations 2, but that's because it was a way smaller scale game on a tight budget in a set of RE games already structured like an episodic game.