Star Wars: The Force Awakens |OT| A New Hope

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neorej said:
@colliderfrosty
Not going to say much till I see it again but rest assured THE FORCE AWAKENS is the best STAR WARS since 1983...maybe 1980.

Don't get me wrong, it would be amazing if it really is better or even on par with RotJ, but come on.. from what I heard it's on ANH levels.
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Maybe you should see it first?


A New Hope is also a lot of peoples favorite.
 
neorej said:
@colliderfrosty
Not going to say much till I see it again but rest assured THE FORCE AWAKENS is the best STAR WARS since 1983...maybe 1980.

Don't get me wrong, it would be amazing if it really is better or even on par with RotJ, but come on.. from what I heard it's on ANH levels.
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ANH is a lot of people's favourite Star Wars film. It's a great film and the launching pad for the entire franchise. If it wasn't great we wouldn't be talking about it today.

I hope it's ANH levels.
 
Interfectum said:
@pattonoswalt
JJ did it. #StarWarsForceAwakens

@KristianHarloff
We are back in business kids, back in business indeed. Bring on ep 8 #ForceAwakens

@johncampea
For the first time since 1983... Star Wars is back!

@rainnwilson
1st Star Wars review: it was epic, awesome & perfect. The cast was stellar. JJ killed it!

@RobLowe
There's a new hero in town, in a movie that DELIVERS. Cried like a baby, whooped like a teen! #StarWarsForceAwakens

@amy_hennig
J.J. nailed it. #StarWarsForceAwakens is wonderful.

@colliderfrosty
Not going to say much till I see it again but rest assured THE FORCE AWAKENS is the best STAR WARS since 1983...maybe 1980.

@jeffcannata
This is what we loved about Star Wars. This is Star Wars.
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I need it now please why do I have to wait until friday
 
The Phasma thing is not surprising to me. All Christie (or anyone) ever talked about re: that character was her gender, and what it was like to be a woman in that suit. Which is a great progressive step for the casting in these movies, but says absolutely nothing about the character herself -- presumably because there's nothing to say, at least for this movie.
 
Yeah the Phasma thing isn't surprising. It's been said plenty that she has a small role in this movie.
 
Interfectum said:
@pattonoswalt
JJ did it. #StarWarsForceAwakens

@KristianHarloff
We are back in business kids, back in business indeed. Bring on ep 8 #ForceAwakens

@johncampea
For the first time since 1983... Star Wars is back!

@rainnwilson
1st Star Wars review: it was epic, awesome & perfect. The cast was stellar. JJ killed it!

@RobLowe
There's a new hero in town, in a movie that DELIVERS. Cried like a baby, whooped like a teen! #StarWarsForceAwakens

@amy_hennig
J.J. nailed it. #StarWarsForceAwakens is wonderful.

@colliderfrosty
Not going to say much till I see it again but rest assured THE FORCE AWAKENS is the best STAR WARS since 1983...maybe 1980.

@jeffcannata
This is what we loved about Star Wars. This is Star Wars.
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Zero fucking interest in celebrity hyperbole, including Amy Hennig who has a clear conflict of interest (she da best, but is also working on Star Wars)! Nobody gives a shit about Rainn Wilson. A picture of a sunset will make Jeff Cannata burst into tears.


Rixxan said:
damn bro you in this thread trolling hard on a tuesday am

keep on keeping on bb
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Not seeing that as a troll. I mean, really, Jango Fett WAS important in the prequels because he was the progenitor of all those clones! But he was also a very stupid character that was just there to sell toys. I don't think it's too much to say that Phasma is an analogue of sorts.
 
Luke_Wal said:
Before I make my point, I want my perspective to be very clear: LOVED Star Wars as a kid, to the point of reading expanded universe stuff. I'm 18 now, and I hate the prequels because I think they're bad, tonally inconsistent, and make everything too neat, but I've also watched all of the originals recently to get ready and I'm willing to admit that while they're still really good, they're not the flawless pieces of cinema they are in my mind now.

Now, because of my age, I was 3 when Phantom Menace came out, so I obviously have no memory of its release (I remember seeing Revenge in theaters but that's it), but from what I understand, when the movie first came out, everyone was really positive about it just because it was new Star Wars. It wasn't until people began to re-watch it and really think about it that they realized it's a dumpster truck on fire.

With all the positive impressions coming out of last night, are any of you worried about something similar? Of course early previews would be positive: it's a new Star Wars movie! And while I like JJ Abrams, I think that a lot of his movies kind of fall apart towards the end. Are you at all worried that you may love the first showing but later realize the new movie isn't that good? I'm curious to hear everybody's thoughts.
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I'm as big of a Star Wars fan as you'll find on these boards. I saw the OT in theaters and let me share my experience leading up to the premiere of Episode 1.

We were hyped. Just as much as people are right now, maybe even more. We NEVER thought we were going to see a new Star Wars movie. GL had stated emphatically that he wasn't making any more movies after RoTJ and that Star Wars would live on in books, comics, and video games. There was a 16 year wait between RoTJ and TPM and it was something we never thought we would see..the hype may have been even worse than it is now.

I think most of us thought there would be more Star Wars movies after Ep. 3 ended, but that it would probably have to come from whoever inherited the franchise after GL passes away.

The point is..the difference between the hype in 1999 and right now is that back in 1999 there was this feel of, "I can't believe this is happening. I never thought I would ever see another new Star Wars movie".

When Ep.1 released, it took repeated viewings for me for the hype to wear off and to start really looking at the movie for what it was...and it was a bad movie. I don't expect that to be different for The Force Awakens. TFA is going to have flaws...every film does. Probably not going to notice those flaws until you're off the excitement and hype train. Having flaws does not mean it will be a bad movie though.

I have high hopes for TFA compared to Episode 1 because TFA was a collaboration by a lot of people whereas Episode 1 was completely lone wolf by a guy who hadn't been in a directors chair for 15 plus years. I have a hard time believing a collaboration could so royally fuck something up and get something so wrong whereas it's much easier to fuck it up when it's done lone wolf without much input.
 
neorej said:
@colliderfrosty
Not going to say much till I see it again but rest assured THE FORCE AWAKENS is the best STAR WARS since 1983...maybe 1980.

Don't get me wrong, it would be amazing if it really is better or even on par with RotJ, but come on.. from what I heard it's on ANH levels.

Patton Oswalt enjoyed the movie though and that's all I need to know I'll be entertained when I'll see the movie and that's great.
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? Many see ANH as better than RotJ. Hell many find RotS better than Jedi.
 
90sRobots said:
Zero fucking interest in celebrity hyperbole, including Amy Hennig who has a clear conflict of interest (she da best, but is also working on Star Wars)! Nobody gives a shit about Rainn Wilson. A picture of a sunset will make Jeff Cannata burst into tears.
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Keep downplaying bro.

@pattonoswalt
JJ did it. #StarWarsForceAwakens

If you think that's celebrity hyperbole then I dunno what to tell you.

I'm sure you'll hate the movie regardless.
 
90sRobots said:
Zero fucking interest in celebrity hyperbole, including Amy Hennig who has a clear conflict of interest (she da best, but is also working on Star Wars)! Nobody gives a shit about Rainn Wilson. A picture of a sunset will make Jeff Cannata burst into tears.
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True facts.
 
Interfectum said:
Keep downplaying bro.

@pattonoswalt
JJ did it. #StarWarsForceAwakens

If you think that's celebrity hyperbole then I dunno what to tell you.

I'm sure you'll hate the movie regardless.
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Son, I have had tickets since October. I also like to discern what's just more noise and what's sincere. It was a lot harder in the TPM days!

I will say Patton's tweet has a bit more integrity to it based on his past comments.
 
90sRobots said:
Son, I have had tickets since October. I also like to discern what's just more noise and what's sincere. It was a lot harder in the TPM days!

I will say Patton's tweet has a bit more integrity to it based on his past comments.
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You discern the noise by ignoring all positive tweets and focusing on the one semi-negative one.
 
neorej said:
@colliderfrosty
Not going to say much till I see it again but rest assured THE FORCE AWAKENS is the best STAR WARS since 1983...maybe 1980.

Don't get me wrong, it would be amazing if it really is better or even on par with RotJ, but come on.. from what I heard it's on ANH levels.

Patton Oswalt enjoyed the movie though and that's all I need to know I'll be entertained when I'll see the movie and that's great.
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But the vast majority of people put Star Wars above than Jedi...

CassSept said:
I don't really think it has a shot at Best Picture, no.
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bill0527 said:
I'm as big of a Star Wars fan as you'll find on these boards. I saw the OT in theaters and let me share my experience leading up to the premiere of Episode 1.

We were hyped. Just as much as people are right now, maybe even more. We NEVER thought we were going to see a new Star Wars movie. GL had stated emphatically that he wasn't making any more movies after RoTJ and that Star Wars would live on in books, comics, and video games. There was a 16 year wait between RoTJ and TPM and it was something we never thought we would see..the hype may have been even worse than it is now.

I think most of us thought there would be more Star Wars movies after Ep. 3 ended, but that it would probably have to come from whoever inherited the franchise after GL passes away.

The point is..the difference between the hype in 1999 and right now is that back in 1999 there was this feel of, "I can't believe this is happening. I never thought I would ever see another new Star Wars movie".

When Ep.1 released, it took repeated viewings for me for the hype to wear off and to start really looking at the movie for what it was...and it was a bad movie. I don't expect that to be different for The Force Awakens. TFA is going to have flaws...every film does. Probably not going to notice those flaws until you're off the excitement and hype train. Having flaws does not mean it will be a bad movie though.

I have high hopes for TFA compared to Episode 1 because TFA was a collaboration by a lot of people whereas Episode 1 was completely lone wolf by a guy who hadn't been in a directors chair for 15 plus years. I have a hard time believing a collaboration could so royally fuck something up and get something so wrong whereas it's much easier to fuck it up when it's done lone wolf without much input.
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I'm a huge SW fan, but I had a very different experience.

You see, like a lot of people, I already got severely dis-hyped when the trailer hit. Because the trailer was off, it wasn't right. Sure, Duel of the Fates was awesome and a great hype to the movie. But there were no X-Wing's and Tie Fighters, no Millenium Falcon, no familiarity at all. No Stormtroopers. So much was already missing of Star Wars it was hard to even imagine this movie taking place only a few decades before A New Hope.

The difference here is how much of what they've shown so far, how much of what the creators and cast have said falls in line of what people wanted and expected. We're getting our fan service, we're getting our familiar universe, but we're getting something new.

George Lucas once said, "it's like poetry, it rhymes," which was the right sentiment, but he misunderstood what it meant. And most of my hype comes from everything that I've seen and heard so far, this seems like it's the next chapter of a story, more than anything GL ever did with the PT.

Regardless, I was 16 in 1999 and I'm 32 now, if the movie isn't good, it isn't good. Much easier to put things in perspective when you reach a certain age, one of the few good things about getting old
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Interfectum said:
You discern the noise by ignoring all positive tweets and focusing on the one semi-negative one.
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Is Patton's tweet negative? Is "JJ did it" highlighting the director's success or pointing blame?

So many of these tweets are fluff. HitFix had tweets from ACTUAL CAST MEMBERS in their reactions article.
 
90sRobots said:
Is Patton's tweet negative? Is "JJ did it" highlighting the director's success or pointing blame?

So many of these tweets are fluff. HitFix had tweets from ACTUAL CAST MEMBERS in their reactions article.
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Patton's wasn't negative but you posted three tweets from one person (devin faraci).

Then I post multiple tweets from multiple people and you brush it off as "celebrity hyperbole."

You don't see how that's a little biased?
 
Ebert's piece from Phantom Menace. 3.5/4 stars. I always wondered when he wrote this. A few hours after the movie? A few days? A week?

Roger Ebert said:
If it were the first "Star Wars" movie, "The Phantom Menace" would be hailed as a visionary breakthrough. But this is the fourth movie of the famous series, and we think we know the territory; many of the early reviews have been blase, paying lip service to the visuals and wondering why the characters aren't better developed. How quickly do we grow accustomed to wonders. I am reminded of the Isaac Asimov story "Nightfall," about the planet where the stars were visible only once in a thousand years. So awesome was the sight that it drove men mad. We who can see the stars every night glance up casually at the cosmos and then quickly down again, searching for a Dairy Queen.

"Star Wars: Episode I--The Phantom Menace," to cite its full title, is an astonishing achievement in imaginative filmmaking. If some of the characters are less than compelling, perhaps that's inevitable: This is the first story in the chronology and has to set up characters who (we already know) will become more interesting with the passage of time. Here we first see Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Yoda and R2-D2 and C-3PO. Anakin is only a fresh-faced kid in Episode I; in IV, V and VI, he has become Darth Vader.

At the risk of offending devotees of the Force, I will say that the stories of the "Star Wars" movies have always been space operas, and that the importance of the movies comes from their energy, their sense of fun, their colorful inventions and their state-of-the-art special effects. I do not attend with the hope of gaining insights into human behavior. Unlike many movies, these are made to be looked at more than listened to, and George Lucas and his collaborators have filled "The Phantom Menace" with wonderful visuals.

There are new places here--new kinds of places. Consider the underwater cities, floating in their transparent membranes. The Senate chamber, a vast sphere with senators arrayed along the inside walls, and speakers floating on pods in the center. And other places: the cityscape with the waterfall that has a dizzying descent through space. And the other cities: one city Venetian, with canals, another looking like a hothouse version of imperial Rome, and a third that seems to have grown out of desert sands.

Set against awesome backdrops, the characters in "The Phantom Menace" inhabit a plot that is little more complex than the stories I grew up on in science-fiction magazines. The whole series sometimes feel like a cover from Thrilling Wonder Stories, come to life. The dialogue is pretty flat and straightforward, although seasoned with a little quasi-classical formality, as if the characters had read but not retained "Julius Caesar." I wish the "Star Wars" characters spoke with more elegance and wit (as Gore Vidal's Greeks and Romans do), but dialogue isn't the point, anyway: These movies are about new things to look at.

The plot details (of embargoes and blockades) tend to diminish the size of the movie's universe--to shrink it to the scale of a 19th century trade dispute. The stars themselves are little more than pinpoints on a black curtain, and "Star Wars" has not drawn inspiration from the color photographs being captured by the Hubble Telescope. The series is essentially human mythology, set in space, but not occupying it. If Stanley Kubrick gave us man humbled by the universe, Lucas gives us the universe domesticated by man. His aliens are really just humans in odd skins. For "The Phantom Menace," he introduces Jar Jar Binks, a fully realized computer-animated alien character whose physical movements seem based on afterthoughts. And Jabba the Hutt (who presides over the Podrace) has always seemed positively Dickensian to me.

Yet within the rules he has established, Lucas tells a good story. The key development in "Phantom" is the first meeting between the Jedi Knight Qui-Gon Jinn (Liam Neeson) and the young Anakin Skywalker (Jake Lloyd)--who is, the Jedi immediately senses, fated for great things. Qui-Gon meets Anakin in a store where he's seeking replacement parts for his crippled ship. Qui-Gon soon finds himself backing the young slave in a high-speed Podrace--betting his ship itself against the cost of the replacement parts. The race is one of the film's high points, as the entrants zoom between high cliff walls in a refinement of a similar race through metal canyons on a spaceship in "Star Wars." Why is Qui-Gon so confident that Anakin can win? Because he senses an unusual concentration of the Force--and perhaps because, like John the Baptist, he instinctively recognizes the one whose way he is destined to prepare. The film's shakiness on the psychological level is evident, however, in the scene where young Anakin is told he must leave his mother (Pernilla August) and follow this tall Jedi stranger. Their mutual resignation to the parting seems awfully restrained. I expected a tearful scene of parting between mother and child, but the best we get is when Anakin asks if his mother can come along, and she replies, "Son, my place is here." As a slave? The discovery and testing of Anakin supplies the film's most important action, but in a sense all the action is equally important, because it provides platforms for special-effects sequences. Sometimes our common sense undermines a sequence (for instance, when Jar Jar's people and the good guys fight a 'droid army, it becomes obvious that the droids are such bad fighters, they should be returned for a refund). But mostly I was happy to drink in the sights on the screen, in the same spirit that I might enjoy "Metropolis," "Forbidden Planet," "2001: A Space Odyssey," "Dark City" or "The Matrix." The difference is that Lucas' visuals are more fanciful and his film's energy level is more cheerful; he doesn't share the prevailing view that the future is a dark and lonely place.

What he does have, in abundance, is exhilaration. There is a sense of discovery in scene after scene of "The Phantom Menace," as he tries out new effects and ideas, and seamlessly integrates real characters and digital ones, real landscapes and imaginary places. We are standing at the threshold of a new age of epic cinema, I think, in which digital techniques mean that budgets will no longer limit the scope of scenes; filmmakers will be able to show us just about anything they can imagine.

As surely as Anakin Skywalker points the way into the future of "Star Wars," so does "The Phantom Menace" raise the curtain on this new freedom for filmmakers. And it's a lot of fun. The film has correctly been given the PG rating; it's suitable for younger viewers and doesn't depend on violence for its effects. As for the bad rap about the characters--hey, I've seen space operas that put their emphasis on human personalities and relationships. They're called "Star Trek" movies. Give me transparent underwater cities and vast hollow senatorial spheres any day.
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This movie had a bar much higher than TPM. The fact people are saying "he did it" and that it is a return to real star wars, means that we wont be let down.
 
Real Hero said:
Taking celebs reactions seriously is pointless I'm sure phantom mencace had plenty of people calling it at the brilliant time.
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I dont think a single person loved TPM right out of the gate. I remember the reception being tepid even at release, with star wars hype at max levels.

I just want this film to be better than the prequels. my bar is so low that I don't even need it to be at OT levels, just better than the prequels so I know that Star Wars is now in better hands

edit: I guess Ebert liked it but the exception proves the rule
 
Interfectum said:
Patton's wasn't negative but you posted three tweets from one person (devin faraci).

Then I post multiple tweets from multiple people and you brush it off as "celebrity hyperbole."

You don't see how that's a little biased?
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I don't care for Devin much, but yes, I'm more inclined to listen to him than the other tweets. So yes, I am biased toward a professional movie critic's opinion of a movie rather than that of a celebrity. Call me crazy!
 
What if there is an embargo where you only can tweet one sentence and it has to be positive ?

I am kidding, but I remeber AoU having something like only one line allowed before the embargo lift
 
90sRobots said:
I don't care for Devin much, but yes, I'm more inclined to listen to him than the other tweets. So yes, I am biased toward a professional movie critic's opinion of a movie rather than that of a celebrity. Call me crazy!
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Not everyone I posted was a celebrity. Crazy I know!
 
more celebrity hyperbole!

@JLDlite
STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS is a strong, promising kickoff. As a standalone, I'd rank it #3 in the series.

@Terri_Schwartz
Everything I could possibly say about #StarWars #TheForceAwakens is a spoiler, so I will say that it's super fun and beautifully shot!

@GermainLussier
Star Wars: The Force Awakens spoke to my every emotion. Most of them good, a few not, but overall it was an amazing, overwhelming experience

@devincf
I love Poe Dameron.
 
Everyone has some odd opinions sometimes. Definitely don't think Ebert was perfect, but I liked him a lot. I think he kinda backtracked on the prequels too. Linked to the Episode 3 Plinkett review I believe.
 
Who cares about celeb reactions (positive or negative). And for that matter, I personally don't care for reviews either. I'll base my expectations on what I've seen so far and the writer/director. JJ is kind of a 'meh' director imo, not awful but not someone I look forward to what he is doing next either. What I've seen so far looks interesting (not the biggest SW fan).

I've seen the OT recently for the first time; acting was just horrible, characters were weird and not that interesting, awful dialogue and whatnot. It certainly had its charm but I don't think they hold up very well. So with all of that in mind (the previous movies, the director etc) my expectations aren't high. I just expect a fun 2 hours (or whatever the runtime is) that I'll probably forget about rather soon. If I get that: great. If not, ohh well. Reactions from fans and critics do nothing for me personally.

I do hope the acting is at least a bit better, don't care for any of the actors involved (some of them I've never seen so there is that) but I hope they at least try. The acting in the OT was just horrible, at times it made it just unwatchable.
 
munchie64 said:
Everyone has some odd opinions sometimes. Definitely don't think Ebert was perfect, but I liked him a lot. I think he kinda backtracked on the prequels too. Linked to the Episode 3 Plinkett review I believe.
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Episode I was a crazy time for a Star Wars (or even movie) fan. A lot of people wrote Episode I off as 'necessary buildup' for the upcoming epic 2 & 3. After those two movies ended up being shit I think people looked back on Episode I with a lot of cringe.
 
Interfectum said:
Episode I was a crazy time for a Star Wars (or even movie) fan. A lot of people wrote Episode I off as 'necessary buildup' for the upcoming epic 2 & 3. After those two movies ended up being shit I think people looked back on Episode I with a lot of cringe.
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Oh, that was certainly a factor, a lot of people went the "it's a trilogy, you have to wait for the entire story before you can judge it" route.
 
ugh, celeb reactions are so overblown

cant wait for the "actual reviews" and see them run back with their tail behind their head.
 
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