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I really have to stop going on dates with girls I won't click with. Self-fulfilling prophecy I know, and I shouldn't be comparing them to my ex, but I think I'm keeping an open mind and seeing where it goes every time I ask them out for coffee.
 
I really have to stop going on dates with girls I won't click with. Self-fulfilling prophecy I know, and I shouldn't be comparing them to my ex, but I think I'm keeping an open mind and seeing where it goes every time I ask them out for coffee.

How do you know you won't click with them unless you go out on dates with them?
 
Haha, I guess I skimmed last night because I don't remember it sounding this bad. The whole I'm 33 I need something real is such a turn off. I pretty much cut off when women do it.

I dunno. I guess she was confused, hence the word she used by my intentions from Friday night. She's not looking to just hook and is looking to find something more than that. Yeah, I shouldn't have said anything else, but I just wanted to reaffirm to her I feel the same, even though she never directly says what her intentions are. I need to keep it down like she does.

All three dates went damn well, minus the incident at the end. I do everything right. It's just the next day I completely fuck everything up with the texting.

You think calling her now to set up a date is better now than texting or is it ok to still text her the plans? She mentioned any good Indian restaurants to my friends last Friday, and I'll call her tomorrow to tell her he day and time.
 
i met up with a girl that i was tindering at a local bar. She had started day drinking at like noon and i met her at 3pm. 6pm rolled around and she was start to get really emotional with how shitty her life seems at the moment.

I was kind of glad i could give her some outside perspective on the whole thing. by 7pm we were properly fucked up and walked to go get ramen, Which is was conveniently across the street from her house.

She was still on her sad train but i gave her some good advice. She wanted me to come back to her place. She had a projector and arrested development already ready to go. It ended up being a really fun night.

I dont know if i want to deal with her being super sad again but she is cute and she is trying to get into the same work i do so i might help her along.

She was probably just hammered. Day drinking for 6 hours will do that to ya. If she makes a habit of binge drinking and getting weepy, then maybe it's a sign to bail, but she was probably just looking to let off some steam.
 
I dunno. I guess she was confused, hence the word she used by my intentions from Friday night. She's not looking to just hook and is looking to find something more than that. Yeah, I shouldn't have said anything else, but I just wanted to reaffirm to her I feel the same, even though she never directly says what her intentions are. I need to keep it down like she does.

All three dates went damn well, minus the incident at the end. I do everything right. It's just the next day I completely fuck everything up with the texting.

You think calling her now to set up a date is better now than texting or is it ok to still text her the plans? She mentioned any good Indian restaurants to my friends last Friday, and I'll call her tomorrow to tell her he day and time.

STOP TEXTING HER AND JUST WAIT FOR HER TO REPLY TO SOMETHING
 
I need some pros to answer this, at what age is it truly over and there is no point in finding a relationship? I'm 23 and haven't thought of getting a girl friend. Girls have flirted but I never do anything.
 
I need some pros to answer this, at what age is it truly over and there is no point in finding a relationship? I'm 23 and haven't thought of getting a girl friend. Girls have flirted but I never do anything.

You can find a relationship at any age. I'm sure you've heard of older men/women finding new love even at an old age? Heck, one of my older co-workers is in her 60s with grandchildren and just got a boyfriend a few months ago. If 23 was the cut off point most people would be alone forever. If you don't want a relationship, that's fine too. Do you not act on womens' flirts because you don't want/feel like being in a relationship, or for another reason?
 
You can find a relationship at any age. If 23 was the cut off point most people would be alone forever. If you don't want a relationship, that's fine too. Do you not act on womens' flirts because you don't want/feel like being in a relationship, or for another reason?

Too busy with engineering college and feel like I wouldn't have time .
 
I need some pros to answer this, at what age is it truly over and there is no point in finding a relationship? I'm 23 and haven't thought of getting a girl friend. Girls have flirted but I never do anything.

Hah, technically no age really unless you're like 70-80 and broke. Getting a girlfriend takes work and effort, it can be the worst sometimes but if you really like someone it's worth it in the end even if eventually it doesn't work out.

My dad gave me a really good piece of advice about dating once. He said that every girl you date you learn something new about yourself and what you like and dislike. There's never a bad relationship because in the end you probably learned something and you can take that knowledge and experience to your next relationship. The key is to not be worried about leaving your comfort zone and afraid to fall on your ass, it will only make you stronger and more attractive to others. Basically each relationship is a stepping stone in realizing what you really want, like and dislike in a partner. You move on from each one trying to find the best version of your ideal partner.
 
Too busy with engineering college and feel like I wouldn't have time .

That's a perfectly legitimate reason! Engineering is extremely tough.

But yeah, you can find someone to date whenever you feel ready. :) It can be easier to find people while in college, but online dating helps to make up for the possible missing social aspect after you leave college.
 
I need some pros to answer this, at what age is it truly over and there is no point in finding a relationship? I'm 23 and haven't thought of getting a girl friend. Girls have flirted but I never do anything.

Dated a bit in my 20s but didn't get a real bf (or someone who deserved that title) till 28. There is no age limit.
 
Hah, technically no age really unless you're like 70-80 and broke. Getting a girlfriend takes work and effort, it can be the worst sometimes but if you really like someone it's worth it in the end even if eventually it doesn't work out.

My dad gave me a really good piece of advice about dating once. He said that every girl you date you learn something new about yourself and what you like and dislike. There's never a bad relationship because in the end you probably learned something and you can take that knowledge and experience to your next relationship. The key is to not be worried about leaving your comfort zone and afraid to fall on your ass, it will only make you stronger and more attractive to others. Basically each relationship is a stepping stone in realizing what you really want, like and dislike in a partner. You move on from each one trying to find the best version of your ideal partner.

That's a perfectly legitimate reason! Engineering is extremely tough.

But yeah, you can find someone to date whenever you feel ready. :) It can be easier to find people while in college, but online dating helps to make up for the possible missing social aspect after you leave college.

Dated a bit in my 20s but didn't get a real bf (or someone who deserved that title) till 28. There is no age limit.

That's good to know. Thanks for the replies everyone!


I been stressing about for a few days now. It all started when I found out my younger brother, who is 17, found his first girl friend. Now that I'm on break and at my parent's home,my parents asked me if I ever had one and I said no, which then led to them asking if I was gay. I said no, but that was a very embarrassing moment for me. I then told them I just didn't have time to be in a relationship. So its a little award that my younger brother and EVEN my younger sister have had relationships.
 
It really doesn't matter. I've opened girls on Tinder and OkCupid with:

"Do you think elephants can jump?"

Or

"You look like trouble"

Or my favorite:

"We should rob a bank together"

Do you think 1000 other guys are not doing the same thing? They've all looked at her profile for clues as to what to say. I usually use their profile information when I've already established some rapport and we've exchanged couple of messages. The best opening line is funny, light banter. And I prefer statements to questions. I don't even say Hi. I just assume the sale.

The real way to succeed in online dating, though, is in improving your pictures. That's why I hate online dating, it is very superficial. I've had success because I'm considered attractive, but at the end of the day nothing beats walking up to a girl that is not expecting it and just chat.

oh man I have that one used on me all the time for some reason
 
I'm convinced my parents are acting against me (unintentionally) to stop me from getting laid. Their fashion sense is terrible, they keep criticizing my new clothing choices because they're 'too tight' even though they're classed as well fitting according to many internet guides,they're typical Chinese helicopter parents who want me to live at home until I'm like 30 to save my money and they treat me like a child. I need to GTFO of my city which is one of the most expensive cities to live in in Europe if not the world and move somewhere else ASAP. Dating is really tough in the circumstances I find myself in. Haven't even got off the ground yet, still have to find my feet first. I should stop putting myself under so much pressure to date, but it's hard. I keep thinking that if I don't get laid this year then I'll be alone forever or something. I know that it's a terrible mindset. Every woman I meet is either married, in a relationship or has a kid these days. Sigh.
 
Too busy with engineering college and feel like I wouldn't have time .

You can make time if you really want a relationship. I did engineering. It's extremely time consuming but not every engineer in school is alone. Far from it. School is one of the best times to build relationships and lay down lines. Do not throw it away.
 
Girl I'm seeing is stressed out going home over christmas tomorrow so she cancelled our date tonight. Told her I will miss her, got a single heart kiss-emoji back. Alright then... feelsbadman.jpg

To explain my situation more clearly: this is the girl I had FWB and then wanted to date yada yada. On Thursday we decided to meet today at daytime. Then on Thursday night she went out with her friends, and then late at night half-drunk she texted me and asked to come over. She came and spent the night, was a great time. Then on Saturday she changed our meet today to be at night and I was like okay. Then today she says she's too stressed out, and then the exchange above. Now she's going home for Christmas and New years, will be back a few days after that.

I'm just so not sure where we are, the problem being that I'm not sure if she only wants to have sex and cuddle or if she wants more like I do. I wanted to ask her when we met today where we stand, but now that opportunity is gone and I feel weird doing it over text.

How do I play this situation? Just chit chat bi-daily or something while she's gone, or less frequently? Or stay silent and wait for her to talk to me while she's gone? Am I thinking about this too much?
 
How do I play this situation? Just chit chat bi-daily or something while she's gone, or less frequently? Or stay silent and wait for her to talk to me while she's gone? Am I thinking about this too much?

You just wrote four paragraphs about texting. That is too much thought.

Ask her how's she doing every couple of days or so (not routinely, casually) and wish her a happy xmas. That's all.

This thread really makes me feel good about how little I give a shit about all these little things. Plus I'm dating a hot swede-yank phd :O
 
That's good to know. Thanks for the replies everyone!

I been stressing about for a few days now. It all started when I found out my younger brother, who is 17, found his first girl friend. Now that I'm on break and at my parent's home,my parents asked me if I ever had one and I said no, which then led to them asking if I was gay. I said no, but that was a very embarrassing moment for me. I then told them I just didn't have time to be in a relationship. So its a little award that my younger brother and EVEN my younger sister have had relationships.

Don't worry about it, it's not a race. Focus on what you can control, which is your studies.

I'm convinced my parents are acting against me (unintentionally) to stop me from getting laid. Their fashion sense is terrible, they keep criticizing my new clothing choices because they're 'too tight' even though they're classed as well fitting according to many internet guides,they're typical Chinese helicopter parents who want me to live at home until I'm like 30 to save my money and they treat me like a child. I need to GTFO of my city which is one of the most expensive cities to live in in Europe if not the world and move somewhere else ASAP. Dating is really tough in the circumstances I find myself in. Haven't even got off the ground yet, still have to find my feet first. I should stop putting myself under so much pressure to date, but it's hard. I keep thinking that if I don't get laid this year then I'll be alone forever or something. I know that it's a terrible mindset. Every woman I meet is either married, in a relationship or has a kid these days. Sigh.

Don't worry about it, it's not a race. Get yourself settled and then look for someone.
 
I'm sorry. This what I said:

"Yeah, you did say you were getting a new phone, plus the TV? What do you mean by suffocating and confusing? "

"If you're referring to Matt dropping you off home instead of me, then I understand. I don't want to put pressure on you. I'm 33 and I don't have time to play games. I'm looking for something real."

"I'm a guy who takes the lead and is assertive with my decisions. We should try a new place to go out, down near Clearwater beach called Tropix. They have excellent rum runners!"

So I won't text her back until 2-3 days later. That's when I'll be more assertive and tell her we're going to go on "x" day and I'll pick her up whatever time. That's how she is.

I mean, I told you guys she was being serious about not being easy.

Jesus Christ, Jason, this is terrible.

I just want you to know, that you had a chance to be with this girl, but you blew it. Let that sink in.

She wanted to sleep (yes, sleep, not have brunch) with you, as evident by her claim that she obviously doesn't want to be one of your Tinder girls. That means you are (or were) preselected in her eyes (a scientific term that basically says women are attracted to men other women are attracted to--this is common sense). However, the person you looked like and the person you were, were at odds. She gave you a chance, and you blew by not taking a hint and making a move. Also by placing too high an importance on long term relationship. I mean, you took a girl you met off Tinder (again, a HOOK-UP app) on a third couple's date with your married friends. Just, why? No wonder she needed her roommate to rescue her. That explains why she felt suffocated; this is something you do once you're exclusive.

You cannot salvage this. I'm sorry. You probably think I don't know what I'm talking about considering that I don't know you or her intimately, but I guarantee you this: she will NOT initiate contact with you. And if she does, it will be to take you up on whatever offer you threw at her. An offer, I bet, you will gladly pay for. Report back in a couple days, I would like to be wrong about this.


Not sure what it is but I've been way off my game since my last relationship.

I'll get a girls number, and things just die off and plans aren't ever made. I blame myself mainly because I'm terrible at texting, and just lack motivation to do so. I'd tell myself, "this girl is really attractive, but she lives 45mins away and with 2 jobs and college I wouldn't have the time" then pretty much give up. But I think it has a lot to do with my interest levels.

Recently, I transferred to a new work place for my 2nd job, and it's usually non stop busy. There's this girl, who's pretty young and very cute that I was instantly attracted to. She likes Star Wars and seems to have a great sense of humor, this is all I've been able to gather. The one time we had a convo was great, and we had a nice flirtatious back and forth thing going on. Had her with a smile on her face laughing the entire time. Anyway since then, we'll catch each other looking at one another. But it's always so fucking busy, so talking during work is difficult, and I can never seem to catch her alone. I even started to go to the break room instead of my car to try and catch her, not much luck.

Our last interaction at work was me saying "hey" and waving, and her looking up and smiling (she was with customers). She may just be really nice, but whatever, I've been wanting to ask her out for about a week. However, I'm not sure if I've gotten enough of her interest. If she says no, it's whatever, but I'd hate to sour my chances by asking too early. At this point I'm debating just going up to her and asking cause with this job we may never find another chance to chat since we're not even in the same department.

I'm not sure if one convo is enough to gauge her interest. One of my coworkers who has her on FB claims that she's always clamoring a relationship and has been single since last year, guess that tips the scale in my favor. Not sure how I should go about asking her out.

Just do it.

I know it's not that simple. The easiest way to go about this is this: make it sound you are inviting her to something fun you're doing anyway. I usually recommend going direct and worry about what heppens later, later. But if you are worried about what she may say, then simply plan something fun to do during the weekend and simply invite her along. Example:

"Hey, I'm going rock climbing this weekend with X [optional]. There's this Groupon and I thought for $X 2 people; I figured you should come out if you're free."

Boom.

If you don't have a good friend that could go as good cover and stay out of your way as any good wingman, them simply say you were going by yourself anyway (after all, you are a fun, interesting guy that does stuff, alone or otherwise). The idea is to give her purpose in your (awesome) life, not her to add purpose to yours. Get it?

Besides, this method grants you with plausible deniability (ever so important on workplace relationship) in the event she says no. If she says no, simply respond with: "Ok, that's cool. I'll probably ask X, I think she/he might want to join. Alright see ya around." Try to be lively, and completely unaffected by her response. Another thing to look for is this: it's one thing if she says no because of something else to do; another entirely is if she say no and doesn't offer to reschedule. A lot of guys get hung up on the "no", without realizing girls do have shit to do. If she offers up an alternative, then she's interested. You may reschedule accordingly.

I need some pros to answer this, at what age is it truly over and there is no point in finding a relationship? I'm 23 and haven't thought of getting a girl friend. Girls have flirted but I never do anything.

Why does it have to be a girlfriend? In your subsequent posts, you explain you're studying engineering. But why can't you simply date? Dating doesn't mean just sleeping with girls. Although that's a nice incentive.

It means getting to know someone, both psychically and emotionally over the course of weeks to determine their worthiness for exclusivity. That's really it. When you say "girlfriend", you are skipping a lot head my friend. Just have fun, you're young. You can date multiple girls at once, and make things exclusive with one when ready and if time allows. Or not!

Has noone here seen Sex and the City? Women (the attractive kind) do this all the time...

oh man I have that one used on me all the time for some reason

With that glorious beard, can't say I blame them.

Girl I'm seeing is stressed out going home over christmas tomorrow so she cancelled our date tonight. Told her I will miss her, got a single heart kiss-emoji back. Alright then... feelsbadman.jpg

To explain my situation more clearly: this is the girl I had FWB and then wanted to date yada yada. On Thursday we decided to meet today at daytime. Then on Thursday night she went out with her friends, and then late at night half-drunk she texted me and asked to come over. She came and spent the night, was a great time. Then on Saturday she changed our meet today to be at night and I was like okay. Then today she says she's too stressed out, and then the exchange above. Now she's going home for Christmas and New years, will be back a few days after that.

I'm just so not sure where we are, the problem being that I'm not sure if she only wants to have sex and cuddle or if she wants more like I do. I wanted to ask her when we met today where we stand, but now that opportunity is gone and I feel weird doing it over text.

How do I play this situation? Just chit chat bi-daily or something while she's gone, or less frequently? Or stay silent and wait for her to talk to me while she's gone? Am I thinking about this too much?

You are not going to like this, but as most thing related with women, this will sound completely counterproductive:

She has to make this relationship exclusive.

I have been in this situation a twice, where I've wanted to make a FWB situation an exclusive thing. One worked, the other didn't. What you must do is, give the level of attention that this relationship's classification demands. In other words, do NOT actively text, do NOT actively purse sexy times with her, do NOT listen to her problems if she comes to you. There's a good reason for this: she's getting the benefits of a friend (emotional support), the benefits of a boyfriend (sex, intimacy), with none of the sacrifices: monogamy.

What you must do, is deprive her of these benefits. After all, this is a NSA situation. You must have or at least show that other girls want you two have, too. She should either know or feel this is the case. She will only agree to being exclusive to you only you if she feels she can't lose you. Right now she doesn't feel that, because she knows this situation is as beneficial (if not more) to you as it is to her.

So if you walk a girl home, do you ask her to come inside or do you just wait for her to invite you?

You must be specific. Your home? Or hers? For the former, invite her home to do something non-sexual. Do not invite her for a drink; unless she's giving you indicators (such as making out in front of your apartment!), there's no need to be that direct. Instead use: "You should see my XX collection" or "I have an adorable puddle, would you like to meet him? If he likes you, I'll take you on a 2nd date.", then grab her hand and take her upstairs. Do not ask. Hopefully by this point in the date, you two are conformable with non-sexual touching (if you don't know what I mean by this, let me know and I'll explain).

If it's the latter, what I do is I say: "Do you mind if I come up for a glass of water? My throat is killing me." I go up, make small talk and point out anything interesting at her place. If she has photos of her family, even better; you'll get closer to her than you would on a 3rd date. 10-15 min later, when time is right, I initiate contact. If that's to risky for you, then try a variation of the above. Anchor it back to something you may have said on the date. So if she likes a particular band say: "Man, I still can't believe you like the same band XX. Do you have a collection of XX at home?" Easy.
 
Red,

So why did she say she felt suffocating and felt confused by my intentions to want to sleep with her? She said that because she thought I wasn't the type of guy to quickly get into her pants. That's why she said she was confused.

And they were friends of mine. She was actually excited to meet a new girl that she wasn't trying to sell a phone too, her words.

Honestly if I kept pushing or have been more assertive in wanting to come to her place, have a feeling she would've been pissed.

EDIT-and over 90% of the women I've matched with on tinder say they're not looking for a hookup.
 
Red,

So why did she say she felt suffocating and felt confused by my intentions to want to sleep with her? She said that because she thought I wasn't the type of guy to quickly get into her pants. That's why she said she was confused.

And they were friends of mine. She was actually excited to meet a new girl that she wasn't trying to sell a phone too, her words.

I get where you're coming from. But you're asking the wrong questions.

Why doesn't she text you? Why hasn't she invited you someplace? Why would she make out with you and not escalate? Why did she try to escape a date with her roommate? Why use the ugly word "suffocate" on a guy she was basically exchanging saliva with?

She was not confused by your advances. This would be understandable if she didn't reciprocate them!

She felt confused because your intentions were becoming clear but not dominant enough. Ok, you made out, but you didn't escalate to her place. She stroked your hair (HUGE indicator of attraction), and you didn't take a hint and said "Wanna get out of here?" She, without knowing, wanted you to say/do all this.

And another thing. What better way to project a future that's the complete opposite of what transpired above, than to invite her on a couple's date as a third date (already early at that), with the highest, truest form of monogamy: marriage. I know you didn't think of it this way, but I'm sure she felt the pressure. In her mind it probably was the ultimate LTR interview, to meet your married friends. "Hey Mark & Susan thought you were great!" And you met this girl off of Tinder, you say?

EDIT-and over 90% of the women I've matched with on tinder say they're not looking for a hookup.


Oh, and in case you haven't caught on. Words to live by: do NOT listen to what women say, instead watch what they do. Tinder is a looks-based, hook-up app. No girl on Tinder is looking for Mr. Right. They may find him, but they're not looking for him. Women want you to just get it; if they have to explain to it you, then that defeats the purpose.
 
Red,

So why did she say she felt suffocating and felt confused by my intentions to want to sleep with her? She said that because she thought I wasn't the type of guy to quickly get into her pants. That's why she said she was confused.

And they were friends of mine. She was actually excited to meet a new girl that she wasn't trying to sell a phone too, her words.

Honestly if I kept pushing or have been more assertive in wanting to come to her place, have a feeling she would've been pissed.

EDIT-and over 90% of the women I've matched with on tinder say they're not looking for a hookup.
stopppppppppppppp making up excuses and questioning everything down to the bone this is awful please just stop

please move on
 
Heh. I've become completely useless on this battlefield. I've made a mockery of myself. The good news is that the high I've had with this girl has dwindled, so I don't feel that sad. A little, but not as bad as it was.

Now I don't know what to do if she replies back and accepts my offer. It'll probably be just another date, and after that, back to not hearing back from her unless I text first.

I knew something was up with this girl after our first date. Every other girl I've met on tinder casually would even text me and ask how my day or week is going.

Maybe I should ignore her if she texts back wanting to go out again.

I've had a lot of new matches on tinder since meeting this girl, but never bothered to check up on it. Guess I better start going on tinder again.
 
Heh. I've become completely useless on this battlefield. I've made a mockery of myself. The good news is that the high I've had with this girl has dwindled, so I don't feel that sad. A little, but not as bad as it was.

Now I don't know what to do if she replies back and accepts my offer. It'll probably be just another date, and after that, back to not hearing back from her unless I text first.

I knew something was up with this girl after our first date. Every other girl I've met on tinder casually would even text me and ask how my day or week is going.

Maybe I should ignore her if she texts back wanting to go out again.

I've had a lot of new matches on tinder since meeting this girl, but never bothered to check up on it. Guess I better start going on tinder again.

If it makes you feel any better, from what I've seen you post on here before this girl (and some of the stuff with her) you seem like a strong confident dude. It just seems like you caught feelings and started acting irrationally instead of letting things simmer and progress on their own. I understand that it can be tempting to push things a certain way when you feel that way about someone but sometimes you just have to calm down. I think everyone makes this mistake at some point.
 
If it makes you feel any better, from what I've seen you post on here before this girl (and some of the stuff with her) you seem like a strong confident dude. It just seems like you caught feelings and started acting irrationally instead of letting things simmer and progress on their own. I understand that it can be tempting to push things a certain way when you feel that way about someone but sometimes you just have to calm down. I think everyone makes this mistake at some point.

You're exactly right, and that's what happened. As I've said, I haven't felt like this about a girl since 2011, so it's been a long time, and that made me get too emotionally invested again of fear of losing another one, hence this girl.
 
But here's the thing that made me feel a bit bad. It took forever for me to cum. I couldn't really do anything for her because of her period, and she was being absolutely amazing with me.

Pro-tip. It is not true at all that you can't do anything because she's on her period. Obviously it depends on whatever she's comfortable with, but there's not a problem with getting her off with your fingers, it's not like her clit is bleeding.

Just depends on the girl and what she's comfortable with.
 
I'm convinced my parents are acting against me (unintentionally) to stop me from getting laid. Their fashion sense is terrible, they keep criticizing my new clothing choices because they're 'too tight' even though they're classed as well fitting according to many internet guides,they're typical Chinese helicopter parents who want me to live at home until I'm like 30 to save my money and they treat me like a child. I need to GTFO of my city which is one of the most expensive cities to live in in Europe if not the world and move somewhere else ASAP. Dating is really tough in the circumstances I find myself in. Haven't even got off the ground yet, still have to find my feet first. I should stop putting myself under so much pressure to date, but it's hard. I keep thinking that if I don't get laid this year then I'll be alone forever or something. I know that it's a terrible mindset. Every woman I meet is either married, in a relationship or has a kid these days. Sigh.

I mean, it honestly doesn't sound like you're in a position to date anyway, since you wanna move and you wanna get your life together and all that.

And if you *really* wanted to get laid before year end, heck, you don't need to date anyone to do that.

Girl I'm seeing is stressed out going home over christmas tomorrow so she cancelled our date tonight. Told her I will miss her, got a single heart kiss-emoji back. Alright then... feelsbadman.jpg

To explain my situation more clearly: this is the girl I had FWB and then wanted to date yada yada. On Thursday we decided to meet today at daytime. Then on Thursday night she went out with her friends, and then late at night half-drunk she texted me and asked to come over. She came and spent the night, was a great time. Then on Saturday she changed our meet today to be at night and I was like okay. Then today she says she's too stressed out, and then the exchange above. Now she's going home for Christmas and New years, will be back a few days after that.

I'm just so not sure where we are, the problem being that I'm not sure if she only wants to have sex and cuddle or if she wants more like I do. I wanted to ask her when we met today where we stand, but now that opportunity is gone and I feel weird doing it over text.

How do I play this situation? Just chit chat bi-daily or something while she's gone, or less frequently? Or stay silent and wait for her to talk to me while she's gone? Am I thinking about this too much?

Well... if she keeps cancelling your get-togethers (dates? Not sure), but comes over to spend the night and have sex, seems like that's all she really wants. I mean, sorry for being blunt, but she chose her friends over you, and has failed to deliver on anything but the sex front multiple times.

Does she even know you want more than just FWB?

Red,

So why did she say she felt suffocating and felt confused by my intentions to want to sleep with her? She said that because she thought I wasn't the type of guy to quickly get into her pants. That's why she said she was confused.

And they were friends of mine. She was actually excited to meet a new girl that she wasn't trying to sell a phone too, her words.

Honestly if I kept pushing or have been more assertive in wanting to come to her place, have a feeling she would've been pissed.

EDIT-and over 90% of the women I've matched with on tinder say they're not looking for a hookup.

I'm not saying whether or not she wanted to sleep with you, but many many many people say stuff they don't really mean in the dating realm, mostly to keep up certain social airs. They don't want to look like a whore or just trying to get into someone's pants or whatever.

You need to learn to read the mood, because most people will imply stuff but not say the whole truth.

A lot of people on Tinder are looking for hookups.

i love topping off sexy time with letting my dog back inthe room and he went straight for the condom... This week could be great or terrible.

Was throwing it away when you were done impossible or something...?
 
You are not going to like this, but as most thing related with women, this will sound completely counterproductive:

She has to make this relationship exclusive.

I have been in this situation a twice, where I've wanted to make a FWB situation an exclusive thing. One worked, the other didn't. What you must do is, give the level of attention that this relationship's classification demands. In other words, do NOT actively text, do NOT actively purse sexy times with her, do NOT listen to her problems if she comes to you. There's a good reason for this: she's getting the benefits of a friend (emotional support), the benefits of a boyfriend (sex, intimacy), with none of the sacrifices: monogamy.

What you must do, is deprive her of these benefits. After all, this is a NSA situation. You must have or at least show that other girls want you two have, too. She should either know or feel this is the case. She will only agree to being exclusive to you only you if she feels she can't lose you. Right now she doesn't feel that, because she knows this situation is as beneficial (if not more) to you as it is to her.
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I'm sorry if I was unclear with the definitions. By FWB I really meant a girl I went on a walk with for a date, and the other times (five I think at this point) we've met it has been at my place which have ended in sex. Not exclusively sex though, we've cooked together once, we've watched movies, cuddled, she's stayed the night multiple times, we've cuddled the next morning etc. I've never had a relationship like this before so I'm not sure what the norm is or what you would call what we have.

I honestly check none of the boxes you listed: she doesn't talk to me about other guys at all, as far as I know she isn't seeing one else (obviously I can't know for sure but it doesn't feel like she is), I met her best friend and we hit it off, we've stopped texting sexy stuff since some time back, I listen to some of her problems sure but that's for when we're together, not via text. I haven't pursued sexy time for some time now; in fact when she came over on Thursday I said I was tired so we should only go to sleep together, which she was fine with and that's what we did. So I'm not sure if your advice is entirely applicable, sorry for the confusion.

Well... if she keeps cancelling your get-togethers (dates? Not sure), but comes over to spend the night and have sex, seems like that's all she really wants. I mean, sorry for being blunt, but she chose her friends over you, and has failed to deliver on anything but the sex front multiple times.

Does she even know you want more than just FWB?
We've never explicitly called them dates, but then again I have never done that with any girl I've dated (though I've always made sure they know it's a date, hell they've all been off Tinder). Not sure where you get "multiple times"; this the first time she's cancelled, and the reason seems somewhat legit - she hadn't seen this friend for quite a while and she is going away for about two weeks, me and her already met on Thursday anyway.

I haven't explicitly told her I want more, though I believe I have hinted it heavily. I was considering bringing it up when we saw eachother on Thursday but I decided not to (procrastination, I know) because we would meet on Monday anyway. I did ask her to hang out during the day on Monday which we haven't done before, but yeah that was cancelled, and I told her I would miss her but just got the emoji back. I feel like having such a conversation via text is a bit too much, and I hate talking on the phone for various reasons.

I'm just thinking, would you really invite someone you only want sex out of to a show you're doing with your class, where you know the person will be sitting next to your best friend for about three hours? While drawing conclusions from such actions is probably not a good idea, that invite is definitely something I wouldn't give out.


I realize I've written a lot of text about this situation which I perhaps didn't need to. I'm just confused.
 
We've never explicitly called them dates, but then again I have never done that with any girl I've dated (though I've always made sure they know it's a date, hell they've all been off Tinder). Not sure where you get "multiple times"; this the first time she's cancelled, and the reason seems somewhat legit - she hadn't seen this friend for quite a while and she is going away for about two weeks, me and her already met on Thursday anyway.

I haven't explicitly told her I want more, though I believe I have hinted it heavily. I was considering bringing it up when we saw eachother on Thursday but I decided not to (procrastination, I know) because we would meet on Monday anyway. I did ask her to hang out during the day on Monday which we haven't done before, but yeah that was cancelled, and I told her I would miss her but just got the emoji back. I feel like having such a conversation via text is a bit too much, and I hate talking on the phone for various reasons.

I'm just thinking, would you really invite someone you only want sex out of to a show you're doing with your class, where you know the person will be sitting next to your best friend for about three hours? While drawing conclusions from such actions is probably not a good idea, that invite is definitely something I wouldn't give out.


I realize I've written a lot of text about this situation which I perhaps didn't need to. I'm just confused.

Ah, I think I misread something, it sounded like she cancelled on you 2-3 times.

Also, hinting means nothing. Just bring it up that you want more next time you see her. Hints can be taken the wrong way, not caught on, or simply ignored by the other person.

And... a FWB situation is just that--friends with benefits. Something like inviting you to her show means you're her friend. Just like the other friends that were there. FWBs usually hang out outside of sex... if they didn't, it'd be more of a simple hookup situation.

EDIT: All of this *could* mean she may want more, but it could also mean nothing. You won't know until you say something.
 
Ah, I think I misread something, it sounded like she cancelled on you 2-3 times.

Also, hinting means nothing. Just bring it up that you want more next time you see her. Hints can be taken the wrong way, not caught on, or simply ignored by the other person.

And... a FWB situation is just that--friends with benefits. Something like inviting you to her show means you're her friend. Just like the other friends that were there. FWBs usually hang out outside of sex... if they didn't, it'd be more of a simple hookup situation.

EDIT: All of this *could* mean she may want more, but it could also mean nothing. You won't know until you say something.

Yes, I will have to say something. I'll just keep in touch while she's away and work on setting something up asap when she gets back.
 
Just do it.

I know it's not that simple. The easiest way to go about this is this: make it sound you are inviting her to something fun you're doing anyway. I usually recommend going direct and worry about what heppens later, later. But if you are worried about what she may say, then simply plan something fun to do during the weekend and simply invite her along. Example:

"Hey, I'm going rock climbing this weekend with X [optional]. There's this Groupon and I thought for $X 2 people; I figured you should come out if you're free."

Boom.

If you don't have a good friend that could go as good cover and stay out of your way as any good wingman, them simply say you were going by yourself anyway (after all, you are a fun, interesting guy that does stuff, alone or otherwise). The idea is to give her purpose in your (awesome) life, not her to add purpose to yours. Get it?

Besides, this method grants you with plausible deniability (ever so important on workplace relationship) in the event she says no. If she says no, simply respond with: "Ok, that's cool. I'll probably ask X, I think she/he might want to join. Alright see ya around." Try to be lively, and completely unaffected by her response. Another thing to look for is this: it's one thing if she says no because of something else to do; another entirely is if she say no and doesn't offer to reschedule. A lot of guys get hung up on the "no", without realizing girls do have shit to do. If she offers up an alternative, then she's interested. You may reschedule accordingly.

You see, I keep going back and forth between some sort of activity like the ones noted above, or just coffee or ice cream so we can talk and get to know each other a bit or something.

I need don't know if I should go really small for the first date, or go with something casual/fun.
 
You see, I keep going back and forth between some sort of activity like the ones noted above, or just coffee or ice cream so we can talk and get to know each other a bit or something.

I need don't know if I should go really small for the first date, or go with something casual/fun.

Coffee or something similar is usually best, so y'all can talk and it's not too committal if things so south.
 
You see, I keep going back and forth between some sort of activity like the ones noted above, or just coffee or ice cream so we can talk and get to know each other a bit or something.

I need don't know if I should go really small for the first date, or go with something casual/fun.

Coffee or something similar is usually best, so y'all can talk and it's not too committal if things so south.

But coffee isn't something where you can use the "I'm going (cool place) tomorrow, want to join me?" line. Unless its some novel coffee place or something.

Maybe make it, "I've been craving some good ice cream lately. Gonna check out this new place tomorrow, want to join me for a date?"
 
But coffee isn't something where you can use the "I'm going (cool place) tomorrow, want to join me?" line. Unless its some novel coffee place or something.

Maybe make it, "I've been craving some good ice cream lately. Gonna check out this new place tomorrow, want to join me for a date?"

That is true. Unless there are a bunch of snazzy coffee shops in the area, coffee would be the harder sell overall.
 
I'm sorry if I was unclear with the definitions. By FWB I really meant a girl I went on a walk with for a date, and the other times (five I think at this point) we've met it has been at my place which have ended in sex. Not exclusively sex though, we've cooked together once, we've watched movies, cuddled, she's stayed the night multiple times, we've cuddled the next morning etc. I've never had a relationship like this before so I'm not sure what the norm is or what you would call what we have.

We've never explicitly called them dates, but then again I have never done that with any girl I've dated (though I've always made sure they know it's a date, hell they've all been off Tinder). Not sure where you get "multiple times"; this the first time she's cancelled, and the reason seems somewhat legit - she hadn't seen this friend for quite a while and she is going away for about two weeks, me and her already met on Thursday anyway.

I haven't explicitly told her I want more, though I believe I have hinted it heavily. I was considering bringing it up when we saw eachother on Thursday but I decided not to (procrastination, I know) because we would meet on Monday anyway. I did ask her to hang out during the day on Monday which we haven't done before, but yeah that was cancelled, and I told her I would miss her but just got the emoji back. I feel like having such a conversation via text is a bit too much, and I hate talking on the phone for various reasons.

I'm just thinking, would you really invite someone you only want sex out of to a show you're doing with your class, where you know the person will be sitting next to your best friend for about three hours? While drawing conclusions from such actions is probably not a good idea, that invite is definitely something I wouldn't give out.


I realize I've written a lot of text about this situation which I perhaps didn't need to. I'm just confused.

I see. But this is not really FWB as you said. Friend with benefits means you were friends that later got intimate, but are not exclusive with each other.

This sounds like you are just dating this girl. You've met a couple of times, hung out, had sex. That is... dating. I think the fundamental flaw is she understands the kind of relationship that this is. I think you may not.

Although my previous advice was provided with the information I had, there are some aspects of it that still apply. For starters, while this is not FWB and you are simply dating this girl, turning a girl you are dating into an exclusive relationship is not easy if she's not asking for it already.

You see this want you have, this need to make this potentially long term? This is because you feel a certain kind of way for this girl. What you must understand, however, is that this feeling is not there for her yet. In my experience, relationships succeed when the girl initiates the exclusivity of the relationship. There's good reason for this: she gets attention from other men. Women are pursued by other men. Men are not pursued (unless your net worth is in the millions or look like Chris Hemsworth.)

If you initiate the "exclusivity" talk, chances are she will postpone or outright decline the offer.

Women are all about emotions, when she feels she's ready to take this to the next level, she will say something. Trust me on this. The problem with guys is that we only think about what we feel. We never ask ourselves how she feels--even worse, we don't ask what it is we are supposed to do to help evoke those feelings in her. Remember, as the pursuee, women choose their partner. You've already made your decision as a pursuer, your job is now to evoke the emotion(s) that would make her choose you over the other guys she's seeing/seen or ones currently pursuing her (and you bet there are).

If you ignore the above, as you probably will, please at least be sure she feels romantically attached enough to want to take things to the next level, then and only then you may have the talk. Do not do it over the phone or text; meet at your place or for coffee. If she says no, or says you should wait, then you must move on. There's no other life story, interesting fact about you that she may not yet know that will make her suddenly change her mind. If the outcome is undesirable, be polite and break things off. Move on.


You see, I keep going back and forth between some sort of activity like the ones noted above, or just coffee or ice cream so we can talk and get to know each other a bit or something.

I need don't know if I should go really small for the first date, or go with something casual/fun.

If you are trying to maintain plausible deniability, in the event she declines, then the date should be an activity. It needs to read that you're including her on something you're already doing, not doing something for her.

Coffee or something similar is usually best, so y'all can talk and it's not too committal if things so south.

Don't do coffee for the reason above. Asking girls you work with is a delicate game. I do not recommend it, but if you must, the date should be covert. Inviting a coworker for coffee has clear romantic connotations.
 
I see. But this is not really FWB as you said. Friend with benefits means you were friends that later got intimate, but are not exclusive with each other.

This sounds like you are just dating this girl. You've met a couple of times, hung out, had sex. That is... dating. I think the fundamental flaw is she understands the kind of relationship that this is. I think you may not.

Yeah, this part confused me, too. Sounds like they're just going out together. Enjoy it, Jokab! Why the rush into exclusivity?
 
I mean, it honestly doesn't sound like you're in a position to date anyway, since you wanna move and you wanna get your life together and all that.

And if you *really* wanted to get laid before year end, heck, you don't need to date anyone to do that.

Well, the guaranteed way to get laid would be to jet off to Amsterdam or Germany/Austria where brothels are legal and regulated, but I'm not THAT desperate yet. Maybe if I approach 27/28 and am still a virgin, but I SERIOUSLY hope it won't go on that long.

Obviously I want it to happen naturally. Let's hope I'm attractive enough to get some interest on online dating (Tinder/OkCupid). Not optimistic though, I get a way better reception in person, and being a university graduate, the opportunity to meet new girls has dwindled away to nothing. Tried various hobbies, a lot of people are around 30-40, as I've said before. I wish I could time travel and tell 16 year old me that this would be his future unless he got his shit together, became more social and attractive and stopped constantly playing video games. Better not to play catchup, really. Also, I meant that I want to get laid before my 24th birthday :P And also, I feel that the clock is really ticking now, I don't really have the luxury of time to wait around not dating right now.

On a slightly better note, girl complemented me on my hair after I got a haircut. I didn't click at all with her, though, and she has a kid at 24, sadly.
 
Matched up with this cute chick on Tinder. Her main picture was her Mia costume from Pulp Fiction on Halloween.

I opened up by asking if she still wants to hear my Fox Force Five joke. She says, "haha, go right on ahead."

So then I actually went through with the actual joke from the movie. Got nothing back. I might've slipped up, guys.
 
Matched up with this cute chick on Tinder. Her main picture was her Mia costume from Pulp Fiction on Halloween.

I opened up by asking if she still wants to hear my Fox Force Five joke. She says, "haha, go right on ahead."

So then I actually went through with the actual joke from the movie. Got nothing back. I might've slipped up, guys.

You're gonna go home, jerk off, and that's all you're gonna do
 
My dad gave me a really good piece of advice about dating once. He said that every girl you date you learn something new about yourself and what you like and dislike. There's never a bad relationship because in the end you probably learned something and you can take that knowledge and experience to your next relationship. The key is to not be worried about leaving your comfort zone and afraid to fall on your ass, it will only make you stronger and more attractive to others. Basically each relationship is a stepping stone in realizing what you really want, like and dislike in a partner. You move on from each one trying to find the best version of your ideal partner.
Wanted to quote to emphasize how fantastic this advice this, especially the bolded. Need more people to see it.
 
You're gonna go home, jerk off, and that's all you're gonna do

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I see. But this is not really FWB as you said. Friend with benefits means you were friends that later got intimate, but are not exclusive with each other.

This sounds like you are just dating this girl. You've met a couple of times, hung out, had sex. That is... dating. I think the fundamental flaw is she understands the kind of relationship that this is. I think you may not.

Although my previous advice was provided with the information I had, there are some aspects of it that still apply. For starters, while this is not FWB and you are simply dating this girl, turning a girl you are dating into an exclusive relationship is not easy if she's not asking for it already.

You see this want you have, this need to make this potentially long term? This is because you feel a certain kind of way for this girl. What you must understand, however, is that this feeling is not there for her yet. In my experience, relationships succeed when the girl initiates the exclusivity of the relationship. There's good reason for this: she gets attention from other men. Women are pursued by other men. Men are not pursued (unless your net worth is in the millions or look like Chris Hemsworth.)

If you initiate the "exclusivity" talk, chances are she will postpone or outright decline the offer.

Women are all about emotions, when she feels she's ready to take this to the next level, she will say something. Trust me on this. The problem with guys is that we only think about what we feel. We never ask ourselves how she feels--even worse, we don't ask what it is we are supposed to do to help evoke those feelings in her. Remember, as the pursuee, women choose their partner. You've already made your decision as a pursuer, your job is now to evoke the emotion(s) that would make her choose you over the other guys she's seeing/seen or ones currently pursuing her (and you bet there are).

If you ignore the above, as you probably will, please at least be sure she feels romantically attached enough to want to take things to the next level, then and only then you may have the talk. Do not do it over the phone or text; meet at your place or for coffee. If she says no, or says you should wait, then you must move on. There's no other life story, interesting fact about you that she may not yet know that will make her suddenly change her mind. If the outcome is undesirable, be polite and break things off. Move on.
I definitely see what you're saying, and I sort of agree with it. Maybe we are dating, I dunno really. Perhaps the source of my confusion is that other girls I've dated have been in a more traditional sense, i.e. coffee, dinners, movies, walks in the parks etc. This girl has only been at my place, although we have done some 'activities' it's mostly around cuddling and sex.

I also see what you're saying with the exclusivity part. You say I need to evoke emotions - what concrete things can I do? Are you referring to more romantic activities (which I'm at a loss of what to do, never done that really) or something else? Or just keep seeing her and see what happens?

You also say she understands what kind of relationship this is. What kind of relationship is it?
 
Hallelujah dating gaf...

Things finally came to a head for my friend last night. He bought this girl who's been fucking with him a gift card and thought it would be a nice gesture before they meet today and she hits him back saying that she now felt obliged to meet him (code for she wasn't going to show up and but after the gift felt she had to..fucked up shit is this?), so he gets all upset and that's when I decided that I'd had enough.

Went over there, sat down and told him straight that she's been fucking with him since day one and he's too invested and blind to see it. That she was just using him to feel good about herself and she liked the attention he paid to her, probably because no others guys hang around as long as he did.

Finally got through to him and convinced him to message this girl he met at the gym a few days ago and he's taking her out tonight instead.

I told him afterwards, see this gym girl, that's how shit is supposed to work. No games. You ask someone out, they call you to make plans and you go. None of this games bullshit that this other chick was playing.

I'm hoping I got through to him and he realises that he shouldn't let people treat him that way, but we'll see.

Weirdest thing in all this, the gym girl is so pretty damn beautiful, much more than the girl he was interested in and she actually seems interested in him. He messaged her and she called him like a couple minutes later. I honestly don't know what's up with this guy where he's chasing this 33 going on 50 girl (she looks crazy weathered for her age. some people just don't age well I guess or she's on crack) when there's this beautiful 28 year old girl who seems at least somewhat interested based on her response.

The best part about all this? I don't have to listen to all the bullshit about this girl any more. We can finally hang out and not have to talk about her and how she's treating him.

Small victories, dating gaf. Small victories.
 
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