What should Retro Studios work on?
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Spieler Eins
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Well, the problem was even worse. People had more than enough 2D alternatives with near identical experiences on their previous hardware Wii and 3DS. All these 2D rehashes were not at all appropriate to sustain and sell a new generation system. Especially Nintendo's first jump into HD. They were easily one of the reasons (alongside equally uninteresting mini game collections everywhere) why the market rejected the console twice as hard as the GCN.
People outside of GAF and the likes most likely don't know who Retro Studios are and weren't butthurt because they had a different ,,dream game". TF was simply an underwhelming/unappealing project in general.
I feel like a 3D DK might not have been as initially well received either but that's just me lol
I'm not talking about just 2d ones. There are some people like me who will lump any platformer as a platformer regardless if it's on a 2d or 3D plane. And there were quite a few already. We got new Mario, Mario 3D world, rayman legends to just name a few that came out before. Heck there's a better list here http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/genre/date/platformer/wii-u
And even if you remove the no name games or indie ones or weird ones like ninja gaiden lol, you still have quite a few platformers that came out before freeze did.
poet at play
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These are your opinions. We all have different tastes, thanks.
'Overly selling' Recore ? I simply stated that its brief concept trailer looks more interesting to me than anything Nintendo have made in years. There is no need to get defensive and hostile about my subjective declaration.
StarStabbedMoon
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A few people in leadership left, but most of the team stayed intact. Somehow this got interpreted on the internet as "everyone left".
Pretty much...they should make Zelda haha
Spyder_Monkey
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People outside of GAF didn't give a shit. It was mostly GAF and the internet that were mad.
poet at play
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I actually adore Japanese games, thanks. They make up most of what I play.
I'm not arguing anything. I'm stating that Armature are more promising to me, right now, as a studio than Retro.
Spieler Eins
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Yet that ugly Banjo clone with the lizard is one of the most successful vg kickstarters ever. If Retro did a 3D Donkey Kong with a decent budget, it easily would have made a better impression than what felt like yet another souped up 2D platformer that might as well have been its predecessor running on Dolphin. DK or ,,not Metroid" wasn't the problem. But that it was just another cynical project trying to keep Nintendo's (lost) casual Wii audience that loved NSMB over core gamers that actually need to buy consoles early/first.
Well yeah. Core gamers were mad because it was an underwhelming and cynical project from a high tier studio while ordinary gamers didn't even notice the game because it was so underwhelming - making it the worst selling Retro game, the worst selling DKC and providing absolutely zero hardware selling power for the WiiU.
Or maybe they just wanted to make a sequel to a game that was very well received.
Spyder_Monkey
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You're only saying those things because you wanted one thing and didn't get it. Now you're saying it's "underwhelming and cyncial" despite not knowing what those words mean. It was a sequel to one of their best selling and most critically acclaimed games. It was also just as received just as well by critics and the people who actually played it. Get over it.
Benzychenz
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Metroid.
Doesn't have to be Prime 4, it could be third person with maybe some Souls inspiration, or even a 2D game coming off of the DKC series.
I just want Metroid.
Doesn't have to be Prime 4, it could be third person with maybe some Souls inspiration, or even a 2D game coming off of the DKC series.
I just want Metroid.
Who knows, I think Yooka Laylee benefited a lot from nostalgia, developer pedigree, and the fact that it was multiplatform.
I think it being multiplatform was the factor that really helped out the most.
Spyder_Monkey
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Now you're just being salty.
Spring-Loaded
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Either Metroid or something similarly awesome
TheDinoman
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How the fuck could anyone call Tropical Freeze "cynical"? That game is a labor of love.
Bonen no Max'd
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But it wasn't another Metroid, *clearly* evil Nintendo was just whipping the poor staff of Retro, forcing them to make more Donkey Kong.
poet at play
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
It sounds like you're upset because other people have different tastes in video games to you.
I found this particular bullet point hilarious. It's like hyping up a studio with the director behind the Agent.
Spieler Eins
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The entire Wii U concept initially was about no risks and trying to cash in on the same casuals again without moving a finger (and not realising even Wii started off with enthusiast gamers). TF fits right in line with NSMBU, NSLU, Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, Nintendoland (as the failed Wii Sports equivalent lol), Mario Sonic's xth Oympics, etc. - simply copying the ,,greatest hits" list of the Wii without any kind of thought nor comprehending market trends.
TF was made because DKCR sold more than all the Primes, but you're free to gullibly believe their PR about how they really wanted to this sequel, as if they had any other choice after that kind of success. I remember when they wanted to justify the game's existence with the ,,dynamic camera" in interviews, which was pretty much a nonfactor in the final game, which was just unbearably predictable and safe. Other than the music, they achieved absolutely nothing new with the game, even MP2's generic light/dark gimmick was a bigger step forward. It solely existed because of false marketing believes.
Spyder_Monkey
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Retro assassinated JFK because Nintendo forced them too. Don't believe their lies. You're just another cog in the machine.
poet at play
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It was one of the few examples of Nintendo embarking on an exclusively adult IP, and as such, it stayed in many peoples memories.
There are people right here in this thread asking for a return to Raven Blade, after all these years. And it certainly caught my attention, at the time, to see such a game from Nintendo. I was close to buying a Gamecube solely for it and Eternal Darkness.
The game may not have been finished, but the concept, the art, etc, is still there for all to see. And to be clear, I cited it as just one of several reasons why Armature excites me more than modern Retro.
Why are so many of you struggling with subjective preferences in this thread ?
Grandma knows how much you love Donkey Kong so she made a fresh batch of Tropical Freeze
I just can't wrap my head around this.
I don't care where the people come from, based on what they've made thus far, Armature is a garbage tier studio. I don't see how anyone could possibly deny this. And I don't see how someone could prefer a garbage tier studio over a studio who produces nothing but extremely polished games that are highly praised and well received.
It's like, I don't care for the games modern Naughty Dog puts out. I find Uncharted's scripted sequences annoying to play and its shooting boring, and I didn't find TLoU to be anything special. I'm not anticipating Uncharted 4. Barring a Crash or Jak reboot, I probably won't be interested in whatever their next game will be, either.
But I'd be out of my fucking mind to say that I prefer, say, High Voltage to Naughty Dog.
It's Spieler Eins. It's best to ignore everything he says, especially in regards to Nintendo. The way he holds a grudge against Nintendo and spins literally everything they do into a negative, I can only assume that Miyamoto personally murdered his parents.
I don't see how releasing sequels to games that were well received and sold well is "cynical".
AcademicSaucer
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Browsing neogaf will be fun if they announce(this e3?) that their nextgame isnt metroid
poet at play
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I'm more excited for the future games of Armature than Retro. I don't want your approval, nor am I forcing you to agree with me.
If a person likes High Voltage more than Naughty Dog that is perfectly fine. Maybe they enjoy games like the Conduit, Mortal Kombat X and Saints Row more than Uncharted or The Last of Us. There's nothing wrong with that. You're not an authority on what is and isn't pleasurable to others.
You are literally citing ports and concept art as a means to be excited about their capability to deliver on an original new (ADULT ORIENTED) game. There is a whole slew of skill sets involved in creating something original than porting an existing game...and thus far Armature hasn't shown the capability of being able to do that yet. It's one thing to be optimistic, its another to start citing ports and concept art as evidence of their ability to deliver a new game.
Let not get defensive about being attacked for subjective preferences either, when you just knocked Retro as a studio who will become souless IP churners like Camelot.
Spyder_Monkey
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And we have every right to disagree with your opinion. This is a forum where we discuss and argue about video games. If you can't handle that go elsewhere otherwise stop shielding yourself behind the "it's my opinion card". Also MKX PC and Saint's Row next-gen are terrible ports.
This is a discussion board. If you don't want people to discuss your opinion, then don't post it. Don't wander into a thread about Retro Studios and say, essentially, "Retro Studios sucks, this other studio that's only produced one garbage game is better," and then expect nobody to call you out on it.
High Voltage had nothing to do with MKX or Saints Row outside of producing crappy ports. Between this and the way you keep citing ports that Armature did as proof of their worth, you don't seem to understand that just because a studio ports a game doesn't mean they're responsible for that game.
I got more enjoyment out of The Conduit than any post-PS2 Naughty Dog game, but I'm not blind. I can recognize that Naughty Dog's games are put together far better than any High Voltage game. I can see why people overwhelmingly enjoy Naughty Dog's games more than The Conduit.
No, I wouldn't say that somebody would be wrong for preferring High Voltage to Naughty Dog, but I would say that they have EXTREMELY eccentric tastes and shouldn't be surprised when they're questioned about this opinion.
poet at play
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I'm not claiming my preference ought to be true for everyone, nor am I declaring one developer objectively better than another.
I'm simply saying that Armature are more promising and more exciting to me than Retro right now.
poet at play
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That is precisely what I wrote. Bravo on the comprehension
Whoa, easy on the 'proof of worth' thing. I'm simply saying that I personally am more excited for Armature's games than Retro's, based on their history and work.
Well, if you want to call a simple difference in taste 'extremely eccentric', that's all yours. I'm used to people liking all sorts of different things.
TheSpaceBetween
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It's true. Retro was originally about 225 people. It was whittled down to 40ish that would be the core team that made Prime.
poet at play
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There is respectfully and articulately disagreeing with an opinion, and then there is telling someone that their taste is "laughable" and makes them "seem like a child", as you just did to me.
I encourage the former from you, but no-one here should have to tolerate the latter.
EekumBokum
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I'd like to see them tackle a new genre using a old or new ip, whatever they want. They've already proved themselves in the fps and platformer genres, I want to see something completely new.
Spyder_Monkey
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I am so sorry that I'm doing my usual snark routine instead of wasting time and energy arguing with a junior who will continue using the "my opinion" argument no matter what anyone says. Oh woe is me.
Jorok Goldblade
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Metroid or something brand new that won't come out of Nintendo's other studios.
poet at play
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Unlike you, I've argued my case politely & articulately with reason.
You're the one resorting to personal mockery and 'snark' in absence of the former.
I started my hobby with a BBC Micro, by the way, so it's amusing to read you trying to belittle me with 'junior'
On topic, if Retro announce an adult-oriented Raven Blade / Prime-like game, I'll be very pleasantly surprised.
Like many others here, that is what I wish for from Retro - but with the Raven Blade / Prime leads from that era now elsewhere, how likely is it ?
The goddamn dictionary said:
Preferring something that is generally agreed to be garbage over something that is generally agreed to be amazing is by definition eccentric.
You prefer something that is generally agreed to be garbage over something that is generally agreed to be amazing.
"Bu-bu-but it's just MY OPINION and that means you can't say anything about it!" Yes, it's your opinion, but I'm free to point out that it's weird as fuck. Again, if you don't want people to comment on it, then don't post on an internet message board.
And you still haven't addressed the fact that the single original game Armature has put out is complete garbage. I don't think you've even acknowledged the existence of Arkham Origins Blackgate in any of your posts.
Like the crux of your belief seems to be, "Armature is led by the people who I believe made the Metroid Prime games great, therefore Armature will produce great games." But we have undeniable evidence that this isn't the case. How can you possibly continue to believe that anything Armature makes will be great when Arkham Origins Blackgate was so, so bad?
bumpkin
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I have no idea what they've released, but they are working on that ReCore game for XB1.
I feel I will have to abandon this place for a good long while once Retro's next game is announced and is not Metroid. Personally I'm expecting something easily described as "a new twist on a familiar franchise", as in either a spin-off title of a currently active franchise or a revival of an old one in a new style, like they did themselves with Metroid Prime and that Sakurai's team did with Kid Icarus Uprising.
Kissenkopf
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Now thats is just salty. I think you would be right if the game was shit but it was a normal evolution of the first DKCR...an normal sequel.
I don't think you are wrong with the point that Nintendo wanted the Wii gamers moving on to the Wii U and give them the games they played on that console. But thats fucking normals. Thats the reason we get a Uncharted 4...because people want to play further entrys in the series they played on the previous console. Or Halo 5, or any new Zelda...lol