Yep, the level of threat between Joker and an evil Superman is not even close.
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Yep, the level of threat between Joker and an evil Superman is not even close.
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That's probably the point, cuz we've seen Batman take down so many human villains at this point in film history.
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Perhaps he sacrifices himself.
You don't do Doomsday unless you're killing Superman, right?
You don't do Doomsday unless you're killing Superman, right?
You can't be buddy buddy with a dead guy and I doubt he comes back to life between their fight and the "She with you" scene.
If they were going to do the whole Death of Superman thing, they would have undoubtedly saved it for a Superman solo film. I've personally never liked Doomsday or the way Superman's death was handled (although Reign of the Supermen was some good 90's cheese), so I couldn't care less if they used Doomsday as a one-time throwaway villain for the trinity to take on.
nhlducks35
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Lol this is literally going to be like Halo 5 and it's stupid ad campaign
Spoilers:
Spoilers:
It's going to make it seem as though Superman is the villain and Batman is hunting them down. Then both will have a short fight, after which a greater threat will force them to work together and buddy up for the greater good
Congrats, you figured it out. We weren't sure, but man, you cracked the code.
Do we know it's Jason? Possible movie spoilers:
And not Dick as those pictures implied?
It's still possible, but it's also increasingly sounding like it was just set designers fucking with everyone. There are also alot of rumours about
Dick undercover in Suicide Squad.
Besides, if it was him, that would inherently change the identity of
Red Hood, but also mean they couldn't use Nightwing
Shamrock7r
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WAIT WHA? Did you hear that somewhere? That sounds nuts!
OMG it is all connected! Do you think Locke and Master Chief will appear?
...I would seriously pay $100 for that to happen 
Okay, makes sense, thanks! Had hoped it was confirmed, but I'll keep my hopes up.
RustyNails
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Who will win what? Pie eating contest? Penis measuring contest?
broncobuster
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Superman stops Batman from playing himself.
I'm not sure how you get this interpretation.
There's nothing hypocritical about Batman's actions. Superman isn't a human being. He's an alien and his actions caused the death of thousands of people. With Joker, he doesn't have to worry about the entire world possibly being wiped out. That's a significant difference that changes the entire dynamic. Not to mention, there's a lot of context we're still missing.
From what we do know, Superman tells Batman to stop being Batman in one of the TV spots. To someone who is already suspicious of the guy, this would be another warning sign of someone incredibly powerful exerting his authority in a way he doesn't quite like. This is a Bruce Wayne who has been active for 20 years, and one of the trailers makes it very clear that he's already seen good men turn bad. Who knows what else he's been through, but his actions are logical and in line with the brief snippets we've come to understand of him. If something like Superman turns bad, it'll end poorly for everyone in the world. That's obviously not a risk he's willing to take.
Now whether this means he truly wants to get rid of Superman or whether Alfred convinces him that's too extreme, we don't know. It's clear Alfred believes otherwise however, and it's also pretty apparent that Superman is somehow going to convince him that he doesn't have to fear him. My guess has been that he's going to ultimately test Superman and push him to his limits, but something is obviously going to happen where Batman decides to either take a leap of faith once more, and slowly begin trusting him, or Superman is going to earn his trust completely.
I'm guessing the former. I doubt he becomes fully trusting, but Batman is likely going to change his stance and maybe see how things go due to whatever Superman does.
It's much more interesting story regardless. I don't want to see some comic version of this guy who somehow knows everything and is already trustworthy of an alien he has no idea about, and that could kill him and everyone else with ease. It's bollocks that only works in comics which hardly seem to be any barometer of good storytelling.
Extreme events can test and break our principles. There's nothing more extreme than an alien coming out of nowhere who can wipe out everything, and was already responsible for the deaths of thousands, even if indirectly, thanks to one of his homeboys showing up. The question is whether Batman ultimately breaks his or not. The answer to that is predictable, but it's still interesting to see the process.
KDash31987
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You know, in the Lego Batman shorts and movies, Batman doesn't really trust Superman, either, and isn't sure if he's friend or enemy.
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Alex_Mexico
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Too bad we already know we urging that's gonna happen with this movie from the trailers.
Seriously, you have Batman and Superman on a live action film for the very first time. That premise alone is enough to carry a very successful summer blockbuster, but nooooooo. Let's add Wonder Woman AND Aquaman AND Lex Luthor AND some monster that looks a lot like Doomsday.
I don't have high hopes for this.
Seriously, you have Batman and Superman on a live action film for the very first time. That premise alone is enough to carry a very successful summer blockbuster, but nooooooo. Let's add Wonder Woman AND Aquaman AND Lex Luthor AND some monster that looks a lot like Doomsday.
I don't have high hopes for this.
What's wrong with adding characters to the movie from an already rich universe? But thanks for your insight, seems like you already made up your mind.
So they shouldn't add any other villains? Then people would complain that they wasted an entire movie about a fight between two heroes who EVERYONE knows will team up eventually.
DryEyeRelief
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It's strange how superheroes crossovers/teamups have become the standard rather than a rare occasion after you build each character and their world individually.
Bobby Roberts
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Are you talking comics or films?
Because it's really only been tried the one way, once, in film.
In comics they haven't really stopped crossing over since the '40s. They also used to make you wait for a origin story in comics.
Alex_Mexico
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My mind isn't made up but from the trailers it seems this movie is risking being too overcrowded . Too many superheroes in a movie called Batman V Superman and maybe too many villains. I'm gonna watch it but my anticipations is not what it used to be but who knows, low expectations can help too.
Maybe shouldn't be doing this, this is likely troll bait but whatever I've reached my limit with this topic. Do you watch movies in general?
How many cast members that are main characters and supporting characters do you normally see in films?
What about this film is different from every other film in existence in terms of the number of characters in it?
Let's take Mad Max: Fury Road. The two primary characters are Max and Furiosa. You know how many other characters have roles that are speaking and appear throughout the entire film off and on and have impact on the story and action scenes? Maybe around 16. All named with dialogue. That's a mix of good guys and bad guys. Big roles and small roles. That's ignoring background characters, extras, etc.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392190/fullcredits/
Films have a lot characters in them. Some big and some small. Films also can be over an hour and half long. Others are longer. BvS is 2 and half hours long. Can we please stop the "to crowded or overcrowded BS!". When people keep bringing it up they make themselves look stupid. We're talking about movies here and movies have a lot of characters in them. We aren't talking about a half hour TV show here that also has commercials.
Batman and Superman by themselves was never going to be enough to carry the movie.
You STILL need a real villain.
The movie may still be too crowded, but using just the trailers, it seems fine.
Which Batman stories are reading?
Batman pretty much always looks robotic outside his own books.
Otherwise, he usually has quite a bit going on.
I think that's because Robin likes Superman more though.
KDash31987
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That's in the video games. I don't recall Robin being in any of the movies/shorts.
Just checked, and Robin only appears for a few seconds in the background for a sight gag in Lego Batman: Be-Leaguered, when Alfred is telling Batman that Superman seems like a nice guy, and he should reconsider joining the Justice League, and then Batman goes on about how he works along, and Robin, Nightwing, and Batgirl drop in to get some drinks Alfred was handing out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qVTcebiboE
In the movies/shorts, Batman is suspicious and distrusting of Superman.
Batman in Lego Justice League vs. Bizarro League said:
Alex_Mexico
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The two biggest, most well-known, superheroes of all time aren't enough to sustain a movie themselves without the need for a traditional comic book villain? I respectfully disagree.
It has nothing to do with how big they are and everything to do with audience expectation.
People usually want an actual villain.
No matter how perfunctory.
So you wanted only two characters in the entire movie?
Why not take someone eho is longer around, like Ras or Vandal Savage? The DCU has a lot of immortals and people who plainly lived a long time.I'm waiting for a Superman movie with the structure of Ben-Hur/Forrest Gump. I shit you not. Forrest Gump for covering his life over the decades. Ben-Hur because it had more fantastic stuff like ship battles and chariot races.
Supes is perfect for it. It could be him traveling the DC Universe over the span of 20-30 years (if not his entire 70-80 year history) meeting all sorts of heroes and villains in a couple 2 or 3 hour movies. Entire lives/hero careers are born and dead over the course of the story. The Man of Steel series could still be that with all sorts of spin-offs coming from that one foundation. It won't though.
Is that a weird dream?
In fact I would've started with villain movies as the new DCCU. Starting with their stiries and intriducing the heroes through their eyes. That would've been a fresh take.
Razgriz-Specter
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Has anyone found the dr pepper cans yet?
He's been active for about 20 years.
Jason Todd is already dead, so is Jim if rumours are to be believed and Dick's probably moved on as NIghtwing.
Lokimaru
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Man it's messed up we have to deal with Kryptonite just cause Bud Collier wanted some sick days.
BKatastrophe
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Batman should have insulted Supes' singing ability, and then they should have a sing-off.
Skipping Nightwing, though? I can't do it.
Agent Grayson would be a hell of a thing.
Skipping Nightwing, though? I can't do it.
Razgriz-Specter
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Would make sense in the context of the DCCU, once all the crazy heroics and stuff start he can become lighthearted Nightwing.
#kissing
There's no need to guess, I already know #WhoWillWin when Batman and Superman fight. The answer is obvious:
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Kevin and Julian Warner.
I still think he's playing a Man with No Name.
dragonyeuw
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They won't have a clear victor, is what I'm assuming will happen. Each guy will get his moment to shine. Basically, by all conventional in-universe wisdom all of Batman's tricks should be rendered useless against Supes, but he's too popular a character and money-maker to make him look bad especially since Bat-Affleck is supposed to get his own movie after this.
BKatastrophe
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Sure, but I don't think it does make sense. Let's say that Jason Todd is dead. Obviously no Tim or Damien that we know of. Which means Dick left the nest so to speak. So, if Dick left, then why would he be undercover now? He'd go an be Nightwing, wouldn't he? And part of him just being Grayson is that the world thinks Nightwing is dead. Nightwing can't just disappear.
Granted, they could skip Nightwing entirely and just have him go be a cop and then eventually an agent for some organization. I think skipping Nightwing is a huge disservice though, and I guess I don't see a way to go back to Nightwing after just being an agent, depending on the organization he's with.
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