If you don't like line puzzle you probably shouldn't play The Witness
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If you don't like line puzzle you probably shouldn't play The Witness
Hahaha, just ignore the rest of the review.
That reads like a 12 year old's forum post, holy shit.
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Even if the game is just a series of puzzles (though according to people in this thread it does have more than that), how exactly does that make it not a real game?
It's not a bad thing for the motivation for finishing a game to come from the gameplay itself. In fact, that would likely make it more of a real game.
liliththepale
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No. No it wouldn't be like that at all. Sudoku has a very rigid rule set and is entirely self-contained, with no meta information to imply and educate the player.
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Deleted member 10571
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Oh goddamnit, there is no boxed version, is there. I was planning to pick it up today, then it dawned on me.
Wow, that's one of the worst written, condescending and agressive, while completely gratiutous pieces of video game coverage I've seen for a long time, and that's just the first few paragraphs. Author's going on and on to rant over absolutely minor and laughably nonrelevant points to what, prove that Jonathan Blow is a lesser human being? I like to rant, but this is just pitiful.
Wow, that's one of the worst written, condescending and agressive, while completely gratiutous pieces of video game coverage I've seen for a long time, and that's just the first few paragraphs. Author's going on and on to rant over absolutely minor and laughably nonrelevant points to what, prove that Jonathan Blow is a lesser human being? I like to rant, but this is just pitiful.
I never said it wasn't a game, I said Blow didn't want to make it a game, he only sees VG as art and has no interest making something for entertainment.
Glass Shark
Banned
I don't like line puzzles.
I really like the way The Witness looks and feels.
I was hoping that there was more to the game than line puzzles so I would want to experience the world more.
It doesn't seem like there is anything more to the core gameplay than line puzzles.
So it doesn't seem like I will enjoy this game.
There is really no reason for anyone to try to convince me that I'm wrong.
You all come off looking like rabid fanboys trying to convince me that there's more to this game or that I should like it despite the fact that it's core mechanic is something I don't care for.
I really like the way The Witness looks and feels.
I was hoping that there was more to the game than line puzzles so I would want to experience the world more.
It doesn't seem like there is anything more to the core gameplay than line puzzles.
So it doesn't seem like I will enjoy this game.
There is really no reason for anyone to try to convince me that I'm wrong.
You all come off looking like rabid fanboys trying to convince me that there's more to this game or that I should like it despite the fact that it's core mechanic is something I don't care for.
I thought Braid was a ton of fun. In fact, i think the puzzle solving was the main appeal and all of the "artistic" parts were just a bonus
More_Badass
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Seems like really petty and, honestly, quite ridiculous reasons to hate someone
Read Blow's "thesis" on video games then you will understand.
What other line puzzles have you solved, anywhere?
I have no problems with how he designs his games, or his view of games.
Just like Myst, this is something that could only be done in a video game.
Oh No!
Yup. In this scenario, the game wouldn't just be sudoku puzzles, it'd use alternative means for the player to fill out the numbers needed. The line puzzles are simply an input method, where the knowledge of HOW you're filling the panel is the puzzle moreso than the input itself.
That is one of the many reasons. You can like him and enjoy his titles, that is your right. I will just never support him, period.
liliththepale
Banned
That's just not true. At all. Blow has praised all sorts of entertaining games, from AAA games like Red Dead Redemption to indie titles like Kingdom. Of course Blow wants games to be entertaining. He just doesn't think the current state of puzzles in mainstream games are actually very puzzling.
More_Badass
Member
You clearly haven't heard any of the interviews or discussions the guy has given about the game and designing The Witness over the last 8 years, if you somehow formed that opinion
Remembrance
Member
Man, in 12 hours the game unlocks and we can let it speak for itself.
And we can talk about the game from experience.
I can't wait until then.
And we can talk about the game from experience.
I can't wait until then.
Messofanego
Banned
Others might fall for this, but that's a very good sarcastic troll. Don't keep it up though.
The reviewers are slyly pointing out that as you learn more about the puzzles you learn more about the island itself. That said it seems based on your statement you're not terribly interested in great game design which is ok. I love games where they are so finely tuned you learn to play through your actions instead of being given a scripted tutorial.
So your just in this thread to say his games aren't games?
Edit: or that your just in the thread to say you'll never buy it?
The horror.
The irony, of course, being that "the mechanics", the thing that truly separates games from more traditional art, were utterly perfect in Braid.
Sorry, but I think you were right about your hatred for Blow blinding you.
You said, "Next, there is nothing besides finishing the puzzles to keep you playing, Blow wanted to make a painting not a real game."
You said there is nothing but the gameplay to keep you playing, and then implied the reason for that is because Blow didn't want to make a real game.
Those two things don't go together. If Blow stripped away so many things that gameplay is the only driving force in the game, then how can we conclude that he didn't want to make a real game? You're clearly being illogical, and since you outright admitted that you "hate" the guy, it seems to me that you don't really know what you're talking about.
And by the way, I don't agree with Blow on a lot of stuff either. But that doesn't change the fact that you're argument is based on nothing substantial.
Glass Shark
Banned
I don't understand how this is trolling. I was trying to state my opinion as clearly as possible in simple sentences. Lots of people seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not trying to suggest that this is going to be a bad game or that it's worthless or anything like that. I'm suggesting that I was hoping for something more than what it seems to actually be.
No just to say that I don't understand the high praise, just voicing my opinion about the game after watching it for quite a while.
OrbitalBeard
Member
ok.
Messofanego
Banned
Then why are you here if you're not interested in the game or have any valuable criticism/opinion to share? You're not backing any of your arguments at all. I don't get why you refuse to ever support a Jonathan Blow game, you never elaborate on that with anything concrete but then why end up here?
Oh I get it. Just arguing to make this thread keep on going at a popular pace. Win win, really. That's a good objective.
Wow, what a shit.
A good way to understand why a game is getting positive reviews is to read those positive reviews
Right down to the last breath.
Belgian Dude
Member
At one point you just have to ignore the drive-by posts. There have been a multitude of examples that show how the line puzzles go beyond the panels, even more massive ones if you're actually searching for spoilers, and the game has already been shown to have been worth the price by multiple reviews and having an impressive length.
If people don't want to search for it, or aren't genuinely trying to get interested in the game, then no matter how long the discussion becomes, it's not going to solve anything.
If people don't want to search for it, or aren't genuinely trying to get interested in the game, then no matter how long the discussion becomes, it's not going to solve anything.
Thanks for letting us know you are not interested in this game.
Yeesh. Make sure you don't cut yourself with all that edge.
haha.
Well there it is, folks. Puzzles aren't games anymore. Pack it up, Tetris. You had a good run, but your time is up. Oh, and tell Threes on your way out.
piratepwnsninja
Member
I'm really looking forward to starting this tomorrow evening. Probably won't get anywhere as much time as I'd like to with it tomorrow, though.
Also,I swear this game has brought out some of the strangest concern/I really need to tell you why I won't like this posts I've seen in awhile. Who knew a puzzle game would do that?
Also,I swear this game has brought out some of the strangest concern/I really need to tell you why I won't like this posts I've seen in awhile. Who knew a puzzle game would do that?
PopCap's on notice, bust a cap in dey ass if they cancel Garden Warfare 2.
Pinko Marx
Banned
I think it has less to do with the fact that it's a puzzle game and more to do with the fact that it was made by Johnathan Blow
piratepwnsninja
Member
Nah GW2 is a real game because it's shooty shooty bang bang.
Probably. I mean, I met the guy at the GDC prior to Braid releasing. I got to play it, approached hi. And said I thought his game was good and was greeted with a, "yeah, cool." To be fair, it was the third day of GDC and he was probably fried from talking to a lot of people, but my first impression wasn't favorable. That doesn't stop someone from changing and/or growing up and he's actually seemed pretty chill in interviews and articles in regards to The Witness. I'd likely be playing it regardless.
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