The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm

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aeolist said:
sanders wouldn't be able to throw anyone into prison for what happened in 2007 either. that was the whole problem, it wasn't against the law to begin with.
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She better fucking put it into law. One more shit show like 2008 and anyone born after 1984 will LAUGH at the idea of voting period.
plop said:
Exactly. Sanders' politics will look right wing in a few decades if we keep fighting to move forward. But we need to move forward. Handing the Presidency to the GOP is not that.
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lol

You are so optimistic.
lastflowers said:
what the dnc doesn't learn will bite them in the ass one of these days.
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I'm seriously worried about a future where current millenials just lose all interest in the system. I'm already more exhausted by this process than I ever was with 2004, 2008 or 2012 and 2004 was Rough when Kerry lost. :/
 
SolarPowered said:
I'm seriously worried about a future where current millenials just lose all interest in the system. I'm already more exhausted by this process than I ever was with 2004, 2008 or 2012 and 2004 was Rough when Kerry lost. :/
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it's brutal.



EDIT: I still cannot believe that my joking about Trump last summer is going to turn out to be reality
 
Can someone see if Ben Carson left for Florida to get a change of clothes again? Guy is just sleepwalking. Needs to drop out like before the race is called.
 
plop said:
I'm friends with Sanders supporters. I go to school with Sanders supporters.

To a person, every last one of them has told a flabbergasted me that they'd rather not vote than vote for Hillary.

Anecdotal, sure. But it's what feeds my feelings of being ashamed of my fellow liberals.

Edit: Just asked my friend here and his wife. He said he'd vote for her but "through tears" and she just nodded. So I guess it's not everyone...
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If Hillary can't inspire people to vote for her, the problem is with the candidate rather than the voters.

I'm glad to see that people at least aren't happy about throwing their vote to someone when their conscience tells them it's not the right thing to do. I'd rather they suck it up and do it, but this tells me that people want something more, a candidate who is more openly idealistic and progressive and trustworthy. So that bodes well for the future voting base of the party.

I'll vote for her if it looks like the race in my state is close.
 
seems super premature to call for trump at 1%
 
SolarPowered said:
She better fucking put it into law. One more shit show like 2008 and anyone born after 1984 will LAUGH at the idea of voting period.
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but that's on congress, president can only do so much. we need to get people voting down the ticket and in midterms if that's ever going happen.
 
And we will win and we will win and we will win

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plop said:
I'm friends with Sanders supporters. I go to school with Sanders supporters.

To a person, every last one of them has told a flabbergasted me that they'd rather not vote than vote for Hillary.

Anecdotal, sure. But it's what feeds my feelings of being ashamed of my fellow liberals.

Edit: Just asked my friend here and his wife. He said he'd vote for her but "through tears" and she just nodded. So I guess it's not everyone...
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I will absolutely not vote for Hillary if Bernie doesn't get the nom. She's a despicable, manipulative, conniving person that only cares about herself and inflating her glory. I don't condone her or her methods, and will not be a part of putting her in office.

For what it's worth, my ultra conservative family is telling me, to a person, they won't vote for Trump if he gets the nom. This weird, strange street is going both ways.
 
MHWilliams said:
I get that. I understand feeling like you have no option.

And if it comes to that, stay involved, stay active. Make sure that the turnout stays high local races and midterms. Vote in the candidates that you feel align with Sanders, because there should be a number of them after this primary. I suspect we'll see an influx of young politicians.

Change is possible, but it's a long road, not a quick sprint.
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This, more than anything else, is what makes me skeptical (to say the least) of Bernie's political revolution. It's dependent on getting a demographic that largely doesn't give a shit about any of this to suddenly flip their lives and become involved in a way they never have been.

A lot of young liberal voters think politics begin and end with the presidential election, and if they've cast their votes and volunteered for their candidate's campaign, then the job's done. But there's so much work that goes into state and local races that they've never paid attention to before -- and I'm willing to bet, still wouldn't going forward.
 
titiklabingapat said:
This should speak volumes on which candidate the Republicans would rather run against in November.
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They are not stupid. They won't waste their energy on the underdog. 2008 was too close to call, but 2016 isn't.

Besides, attacking Sanders may hinder them as I am sure they know that Sanders supporters are more likely to jump ship given how apathetic they are towards a Clinton nomination.
 
Amir0x said:
I just hope now that we have that behind us, some people gained greater insights into the reality of the process, and they vote Hillary in the GE.
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Yeah, I watch The Young Turks to see the progressive perspective and was getting worried how hard they were starting to go in against her. Hopefully they can read the wrong the wall and pull back a bit.
 
sphagnum said:
If Hillary can't inspire people to vote for her, the problem is with the candidate rather than the voters.

I'm glad to see that people at least aren't happy about throwing their vote to someone when their conscience tells them it's not the right thing to do. I'd rather they suck it up and do it, but this tells me that people want something more, a candidate who is more openly idealistic and progressive and trustworthy. So that bodes well for the future voting base of the party.

I'll vote for her if it looks like the race in my state is close.
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Yep. I would not vote for her out of principle, but atleast those people who are going to grit their teeth while they pull the level know its shitty.

I don't understand the people who say they have to be happy and smiling they are voting for a bad candidate on the other hand.

And just for clarification, i'm not even as salty as i really would have been surprisingly.

Bernie went from a few percentage points against Hillary's 60% advantage last year, to losing within a 2 percentage point margin and having almost the same amount of delegates. The race is still in play, and Super Tuesday is going to be critical, but i am just wondering of momentum will spur for Bernie because of this loss. The first time he barely tied, it was a win for him as a first go and surprised a lot of people, but again, will it have the same impact?
 
I don't understand why people are excited that Trump is winning.

Hillary against Trump in a GE is no cakewalk. And the hard turn to the right she'll need to do to win will turn off more leftist voters.
 
Aaronology said:
The moment I see "Hillary isn't liberal" from anyone it's hard not to immediately dismiss their political opinions wholesale. Clearly rabid tea party members aren't the only group eager to dismiss facts and, you know, reality.
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She is most certainly liberal.

That's part of the problem, of course.

(I really wish we could all agree to switch over to non-American political terminology)
 
kirblar said:
No update to the US's previously existing plan would ever be a single-payer plan because it would be too wrenching of a change based on the infrastructure we currently have.

You can't just bulldoze something and build something new there- you have to keep operations going.
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euphemism said:
You can have universal without single payer, look at the Netherlands
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Oh I know. It's just that some people on the previous page were claiming that Hillary proposed single-payer and that's why HIllarycare failed to pass.
 
sphagnum said:
If Hillary can't inspire people to vote for her, the problem is with the candidate rather than the voters.

I'm glad to see that people at least aren't happy about throwing their vote to someone when their conscience tells them it's not the right thing to do. I'd rather they suck it up and do it, but this tells me that people want something more, a candidate who is more openly idealistic and progressive and trustworthy. So that bodes well for the future voting base of the party.

I'll vote for her if it looks like the race in my state is close.
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Yes, it bodes well, but that progress will only continue if our country continues to move left. A bunch of bitter Sanders supporters taking their ball and going home will not move us left.

And it's not so much about Hillary being unable to inspire people (although that does come into play) as it is about the well being poisoned before she ever reaches the GE because of this contentious primary.
 
hawk2025 said:
This "I hope young people don't lose interest in the political process" talk is so damn condescending.
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Then don't take it personally. And stay engaged. Encourage your peers to continue canvassing and fighting, no matter the outcome of the primary.

People only say that because it's been demonstrated time and again throughout modern history.
 
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