Early impressions start rolling out for Batman v. Superman

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BronsonLee said:
WB gives their directors the most creative freedom by far. George Miller got carte blanche on Mad Max, and that shit made no damn sense. They are ready and willing to try the craziest shit possible, like giving Snyder the keys to the comic book kingdom.
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What didn`t make sense? Pretty easy to understand since the plot was simple, and it's one of the greatest action movies of all time.
 
Liquidsnake said:
I know its not Citizen Kane, I mean important to me, and important to see what direction we can take comic movies, it doesn't always have to be Benny Hill Comedies like Avengers.
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SomewhatGroovy said:
Easy. People need to learn to separate the quality of a movie and their taste for film. People tend to draw this weird line between "oh i like it" and "...then it must be great". The two are not mutually inclusive. MoS having interesting themes doesnt make it an interesting movie. A lot of times the audience members watch a movie and treat it like a rorshach card and see what they want to see, fill in their own blanks. Sometimes an opinion says more about the person, as it does here, than it does about the movie.

MoS's screenplay is objectively poorly written and doesn't not warrant or earn the emotion that it oddly evokes in people. Does that mean people can't enjoy it? Hell no, of course they can.

Having an opinion doesn't protect you from being misinformed.
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This. This! THIS!

People have the darnedest time separating quality from enjoyment.
 
LegendofDragoonLives said:
What didn`t make sense? Pretty easy to understand since the plot was simple, and it's one of the greatest action movies of all time.
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150 million dollar (Rated R!) reboot of 30 year old franchise
Supremely old director who had mostly made family films and animated films for decades before this
A hellish shoot with tons of reshoots and stars that were constantly sniping at one another

All that is -supposed- to equal disaster. Not the best action movie of the decade!
 
I did once compare TDKR to Citizen Kane though. But that was more about how Nolan is the best Director of our generation.

Ill stop, I don't want to upset anyone.

MOS to me is the best Super hero movie to date.
 
Liquidsnake said:
I did once compare TDKR to Citizen Kane though. But that was more about how Nolan is the best Director of our generation.

Ill stop, I don't want to upset anyone.

MOS to me is the best Super hero movie to date.
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But it's the worst Nolan Batman movie?!
In my opinion, of course :)
 
MOS has its problems, sure, but it's still the finest Superman movie we've gotten since the Donner original. But those are two entirely different Supermen, so it's not even really a fair comparison.

I don't think you'll ever find a Superman movie that will do better than 50/50 with people. He's such a polarizing character, and one that people have such specific ideas about, that you simply can't win. Any writer/director that takes him on basically takes on the burden of Superman, in that again, he can't win. In live action, at least.

I honestly don't think there's a way for any Superman movie to ever be anything but 100% polarizing.

EDIT: How you view Superman films will depend entirely on the personal baggage you bring into them. It may seem silly to many people, but like I said yesterday, Superman is almost a religious figure to people of a certain age/background. I don't want to get personal about it, but SomewhatGroovy is dead-on when he says people are projecting. The Transformers movies are, objectively, shit. But that doesn't mean I didn't tear up at times when Optimus did certain things, because I had a special attachment to him as a kid. You can't be objective about things when you're so personally attached to them.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Easy. People need to learn to separate the quality of a movie and their taste for film. People tend to draw this weird line between "oh i like it" and "...then it must be great". The two are not mutually inclusive. MoS having interesting themes doesnt make it an interesting movie. A lot of times the audience members watch a movie and treat it like a rorshach card and see what they want to see, fill in their own blanks. Sometimes an opinion says more about the person, as it does here, than it does about the movie.

MoS's screenplay is objectively poorly written and doesn't not warrant or earn the emotion that it oddly evokes in people. Does that mean people can't enjoy it? Hell no, of course they can.

Having an opinion doesn't protect you from being misinformed.
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I totally disagree with a lot of this, and I hated MoS. "Objective" is a fiction. While there may be actual touchpoints that are somewhat objective in film - i.e. is the CGI in line with modern standards art overall is mostly subjective.
 
strafer said:
I knew I liked you for a reason.

Now I'm not sure I would go as far as to say it's the most important movie of the last decade, but the movie is a damn masterpiece.

From the moment Kal-El crashed on earth and that soaring Zimmer theme went on when Clark first flew I knew this movie was special. By the end of the movie I was in tears.

And now to finally experience The Trinity on the big screen is the best thing ever, and to have it lead into Justice League and beyond is something I never thought would happen.
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Hans Zimmer does amazing things with OST for a lot of movies and yeah i do like MoS also.
 
Man of Steel still had probably the best action scenes in any superhero movie ive ever seen.

I think Man of Steel is a worse movie overall to most of the MCU movies, but i'd watch it any day of the week over those films.
 
Liquidsnake said:
I did once compare TDKR to Citizen Kane though. But that was more about how Nolan is the best Director of our generation.

Ill stop, I don't want to upset anyone.

MOS to me is the best Super hero movie to date.
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Which then makes it better than TDKR, the Citizen Kane of our time?
 
PBY said:
I totally disagree with a lot of this, and I hated MoS. "Objective" is a fiction. While there may be actual touchpoints that are somewhat objective in film - i.e. is the CGI in line with modern standards art overall is mostly subjective.
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This. As a horror fan for years there's a ton of shit I know is horribly written and poorly directed, but it still works on a enjoyment level.

Art is objective.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Easy. People need to learn to separate the quality of a movie and their taste for film. People tend to draw this weird line between "oh i like it" and "...then it must be great". The two are not mutually inclusive. MoS having interesting themes doesnt make it an interesting movie. A lot of times the audience members watch a movie and treat it like a rorshach card and see what they want to see, fill in their own blanks. Sometimes an opinion says more about the person, as it does here, than it does about the movie.

MoS's screenplay is objectively poorly written and doesn't not warrant or earn the emotion that it oddly evokes in people. Does that mean people can't enjoy it? Hell no, of course they can.

Having an opinion doesn't protect you from being misinformed.

and yeah, when you've crossed the line where allegiance to a film warrants dropping bombs on people you don't know, there is a fine line being crossed lol.
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Half the critics who are lumped together as the be-all, say-all regarding Man of Steel rated it favorably.
The movie is divisive-and the only misinformation here is the rush to proclaim the movie objectively bad.
 
I wished I liked MoS more, tbh. I wanted to like it, i went and saw it as a Bday thing with the lady, I grew up liking the character very much.

And it was a bummer. I can point to at least one issue every act that still bothers me about it. It's not garbage, no, but i guess i didn't get out of it what others did.

The only other time i've felt as conflicted about whether i liked a film or not was when i saw Prometheus in theaters.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Objective is not a fiction. If it were, then any high school drop out could release a "Citizen's Kane." There are fundamental basics in screenwriting that are shat on in MoS, the use of plot devices for one.

Let me give you an example.

Clark finds work at a bar around the same time and area where two soldiers are discussing a top secret anomaly that the military just discovered. Cool, now we have a lazy way to get him to find said ship. He gets there and in next scene, somehow he has a job helping the US military. How the fuck? who knows. Did he even need the job? he's fucking superman. next scene: lois lane just chillin in snow storm and spots clark walking into cave.

These are examples of lazy expositions and devices use to get the plot prodding along. it's about as lazy and useless as someone asserting that the last roll of toilet paper was in that cave just so clark could find a hologram of his dad.

i haven't scratched the surface. So yeah, objectively bad writing.
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It wasn't coincidence, Clark was drawn to that area.
 
Liquidsnake said:
I did once compare TDKR to Citizen Kane though. But that was more about how Nolan is the best Director of our generation.

Ill stop, I don't want to upset anyone.

MOS to me is the best Super hero movie to date.
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I agree with this.
 
brandonh83 said:
I'm with Liquidsnake, Man of Steel is one of the better superhero movies.
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Which part made it great?

Was it the motivational poster dialogue, which felt more suited to a trailer rather than a 2 hour long movie?

Was it Cavill's lack of charisma?

Was it the excessive as fuck action sequences (yes, even for Superman)

Not to mention all the dumb/illogical shit that happens in this movie.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
Objective is not a fiction. If it were, then any high school drop out could release a "Citizen's Kane." There are fundamental basics in screenwriting that are shat on in MoS, the use of plot devices for one.

Let me give you an example.

Clark finds work at a bar around the same time and area where two soldiers are discussing a top secret anomaly that the military just discovered. Cool, now we have a lazy way to get him to find said ship. He gets there and in next scene, somehow he has a job helping the US military. How the fuck? who knows. Did he even need the job? he's fucking superman. next scene: lois lane just chillin in snow storm and spots clark walking into cave.

These are examples of lazy expositions and devices use to get the plot prodding along. it's about as lazy and useless as someone asserting that the last roll of toilet paper was in that cave just so clark could find a hologram of his dad.

i haven't scratched the surface. So yeah, objectively bad writing.
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I think what you see as objective, I see as consensus opinion, particularly among people we as a society have designated as standard-bearers of the culture.

I don't deny that there are, within art, certain items that can be graded somewhat objectively (i.e. CGI, does the plot make sense, etc), but the totality of the package, you can't just grade it objectively - and to argue that there is overall some metric you can apply correctly, I think doesn't work.
 
Toa TAK said:
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Ya baby.

EDIT: Hold the fuck up... are you saying that nothing in BvsS reaches the heights of this???
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Y'all wanted Zack Snyder to stop it with all the action. You complained about the destruction. Now all you're going to get is a 2.5 hour court drama movie about Batman suing superman for the destruction he caused.

B A T M A N

V

S U P E R M AN
 
MAN OF STEEL is a middling superhero movie and a bad Superman movie.

I say this as someone who likes Superman and wanted MAN OF STEEL to be good.
 
Kickz said:
Whats this knightmare/dream sequence stuff about?? Is the Batman in the overalls/cloak scenes a dream?



Nah, he's wrong, it was panned critically and rightfully so.
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well this is some straight up bull. I suppose we have to take seriously a review that says since it's not like Donner's Superman movies it's no good? there were more than a few like that. why should anyone listen to critics that are so damn myopic?
 
B33 said:
MAN OF STEEL is a middling superhero movie and a bad Superman movie.

I say this as someone who likes Superman and wanted MAN OF STEEL to be good.
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This is what bothers me. I love Superman and I desperately want a great Superman movie. But if you don't like Man of Steel you're accused to not liking DC or being a fanboy or whatever. I read Superman: American Alien last night and I fucking love it. I wish we could have gotten a Superman movie like that.

BronsonLee said:
NO.

...I am!
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#TeamBronsonLee
 
BronsonLee said:
150 million dollar (Rated R!) reboot of 30 year old franchise
Supremely old director who had mostly made family films and animated films for decades before this
A hellish shoot with tons of reshoots and stars that were constantly sniping at one another

All that is -supposed- to equal disaster. Not the best action movie of the decade!
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Yes it is. Your opinion is wrong.

It had its issues and on most occasions it would be a disaster, but it worked. One of the GOAT action movies.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
Y'all wanted Zack Snyder to stop it with all the action. You complained about the destruction. Now all you're going to get is a 2.5 hour court drama movie about Batman suing superman for the destruction he caused.

B A T M A N

V

S U P E R M AN
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Daredevil court cases were more fun than the entirety of MoS and SheHulk has also made some really fun court cases so I would actually like that
 
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