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[Lokimaru]

This Batman and Superman is actually more faithful to their source mateirls then the comics are nowadays, Batman use to carry a Gun for crying out loud, People are just so use to Superman and Batman 3.0 or 4.0 that they forget about 1.0 who was created during a time that was Fucked Up by today's standard. Rich People were jumping out building and the poor were starving in the streets.

From that time period two icons were born. One and all powerful man who fought for the little guy and a rich guy who took on the criminal element by any means necessary if that bad guy happened to die he got what he his just desserts. That why I love Anime so much those heroes do what's necessary. This has been the first time I've liked Batman as a character in ages cause I roll my eyes at his preachy no kill bullshit.

When did we become pussies? Once the thugs Bruce was chasing opened up on him with ordnance no beat cops could deal with FUCK EM. Those dudes were trained killers anyway. No big lose to society.

 

[kmag]

This Batman and Superman is actually more faithful to their source mateirls then the comics are nowadays, Batman use to carry a Gun for crying out loud, People are just so use to Superman and Batman 3.0 or 4.0 that they forget about 1.0 who was created during a time that was Fucked Up by today's standard. Rich People were jumping out building and the poor were starving in the streets.

From that time period two icons were born. One and all powerful man who fought for the little guy and a rich guy who took on the criminal element by any means necessary if that bad guy happened to die he got what he his just desserts. That why I love Anime so much those heroes do what's necessary. This has been the first time I've liked Batman as a character in ages cause I roll my eyes at his preachy no kill bullshit.

When did we become pussies? Once the thugs Bruce was chasing opened up on him with ordnance no beat cops could deal with FUCK EM. Those dudes were trained killers anyway. No big lose to society.

Because Batman's gallery of rogues make no sense if he's merrily offing henchmen. And his gallery of rogues are alive, well and largely in prison since Suicide Squad is a thing.

 

[gunstarhero]

So many things wrong with this movie (all of which have been pointed out in this thread).

The biggest standout was how they depicted Lex Luthor.. I always thought Lex was pompous, but cool & calculated. Instead we got Eisenberg acting like an average Joker (or maybe the Riddler?).

The other was just the overall pacing and editing. While I can appreciate Snyder's style in movies like 300 - it just felt too "all over the place" with a movie like this.


Ben as Batman was fucking amazing. Might be my favorite take on the character - he seriously nailed it.

 

[Blader]

Two more wasted opportunities in this film that I was disappointed with:

• Nothing ever comes out of Superman killing Zod. I didn't like this choice in Man of Steel -- less so because of a principled "Superman shouldn't kill stance" and more so because there's no real build-up to Superman having to make that decision -- and I find Snyder's "Superman needs an origin for his no-kill rule" to be kind of morally suspect. But I was hopeful that it would lead to something interesting for Superman's character in the sequel... and no one ever talks about it! It has no bearing on Superman or anyone else; it doesn't inform the character at all, it doesn't spur any new development or even inspire him to take up a no-killing rule at the very least. It's just completely swept under the rug. In fact, if making Doomsday didn't for some reason require Zod's corpse to exist, they could have just as easily gone with the original ending for MoS and had Zod banished back to the Phantom Zone, and nothing about that movie or this one would be different.
  
• Batman does not seem especially grizzled or world-weary. This was their big pitch for what made Affleck's Batman different from the others. But he's nothing like Frank Miller's TDKR Batman. He hasn't been retired for years, he hasn't been traumatized (we can *assume* that Robin's death in the past had some effect on him but it doesn't really bear out in the story at all), and frankly, he looks good and healthy -- Affleck is only 43 after all! The only signs of aging in this Bruce Wayne are the slight streaks of gray in his hair. I didn't want them to do a 60-year-old broken-down Batman for their first time at bat anyway, but the constant comparisons to Miller and TDKR feel unearned and divorced from the actual movie. This Bruce Wayne is just middle-aged and has a shitty attitude about Superman.

 

[PBY]

This Batman and Superman is actually more faithful to their source mateirls then the comics are nowadays, Batman use to carry a Gun for crying out loud, People are just so use to Superman and Batman 3.0 or 4.0 that they forget about 1.0 who was created during a time that was Fucked Up by today's standard. Rich People were jumping out building and the poor were starving in the streets.

From that time period two icons were born. One and all powerful man who fought for the little guy and a rich guy who took on the criminal element by any means necessary if that bad guy happened to die he got what he his just desserts. That why I love Anime so much those heroes do what's necessary. This has been the first time I've liked Batman as a character in ages cause I roll my eyes at his preachy no kill bullshit.

When did we become pussies? Once the thugs Bruce was chasing opened up on him with ordnance no beat cops could deal with FUCK EM. Those dudes were trained killers anyway. No big lose to society.

What is this

 

[Pai Pai Master]

This Batman and Superman is actually more faithful to their source mateirls then the comics are nowadays, Batman use to carry a Gun for crying out loud, People are just so use to Superman and Batman 3.0 or 4.0 that they forget about 1.0 who was created during a time that was Fucked Up by today's standard. Rich People were jumping out building and the poor were starving in the streets.

From that time period two icons were born. One and all powerful man who fought for the little guy and a rich guy who took on the criminal element by any means necessary if that bad guy happened to die he got what he his just desserts. That why I love Anime so much those heroes do what's necessary. This has been the first time I've liked Batman as a character in ages cause I roll my eyes at his preachy no kill bullshit.

When did we become pussies? Once the thugs Bruce was chasing opened up on him with ordnance no beat cops could deal with FUCK EM. Those dudes were trained killers anyway. No big lose to society.

A Batman who sees his parents gunned down and decides he should just pick up a gun and kill criminals indiscriminately is far less interesting than a Batman who fears what he might become if he continues the circle of pointless killing. That person is not a hero but just another violent psychopath.

A Batman who genuinely wants to help people become better, and make Gotham better for it, instead of just relegating himself to be judge, jury and executioner. That's the hero we should want to see, not a hypocrite who in a logical world would just end up behind bars like the rest of Gotham's filth.


I suppose next you'll be arguing for a Superman who can move entire planets with ease or destroy solar systems with a sneeze?

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Nope, they were at each other's throats, and then right before the kill, they are all like 'holy shit, our mothers have the same name, let's be bffs!'

I'm not even joking.

Eh a bit more writing was needed imo but its okay.

1. Batman initially thinks Superman is saying it to mess with him,
2. Batman realizes they were played by Lex
3. Superman basically gave up being a goody-goody going into the fight which is why he said he'd either get Batman to help or kill him.
He realizes that the problems he had with Batman(brutality, branding, fear) aren't that bad when dealing with something like Lex he just encountered.(Basically Batman is off the hook at that point to Superman)
4. Batman realizes Superman has a normal family and isn't some all powerful God. he makes mistakes just like human(being tricked and doing wrong for love)
Batman became a hero so no child would lose their parents to crime ever again, Batman realizes that even if grown and an alien Superman should be in that category as well.

 

[Wellington]

Eh,
Dick could still be in the Bruce "hating" phase or even the undercover spy phase which both are fine without mention.

I kinda feel like any Dick, Jason and Barbara stuff was completely lifted for the R-rated version. Especially if it was remotely tied together.

There's a line from Battfleck in the movie that hasn't been mentioned in regards to this. He says something like "I've seen good guys, bad guys, and good guys gone bad..." It's a nod to either Jason Todd as the Red Hood or the rumored Jason Todd becoming Joker in the movie universe.

 

[Sanjuro]

There's a line from Battfleck in the movie that hasn't been mentioned in regards to this. He says something like "I've seen good guys, bad guys, and good guys gone bad..." It's a nod to either Jason Todd as the Red Hood or the rumored Jason Todd becoming Joker in the movie universe.

He could be referring to himself.

 

[Thatonemoor]

Copied from OT:

Guess I can talk about my opinion now. Had a really weird night. Anyway there isn't much of anything that I liked in this movie. Yeah Ben Affleck is good as batman but this version of batman is basically the kill you with no remorse, all-star batman, version and I can't get behind that. The whole point of batman is that he doesn't kill. Also got to mention that he only takes on one guy that was an actual bad guy in this movie. The guys he went after in the truck chase seen were only on Luthor's payroll and weren't doing anything particularly wrong except being heavily armed.

So yeah Ben Affleck is good at acting like batman but this isn't a well written version of batman. Also I feel like the thing that was really dragging down this movie for me was the dialogue. I can't count how many times there were lines that could have been thrown away and completely forgotten. Most of the stuff Luthor says is metaphorical nonsense instead of an actual conversation. And alot of Bruce's and Alfred's conversation feel the same way sometimes. On the superman side of things I feel that some gaf impressions werent right about some things but we're right about others. Like there is a scene when superman is following around Bruce but sees on the TV that he needs to save a little girl stuck in a building. That is something superman would do. But other then this scene he doesn't feel like superman. He feels like this uninterested moppy guy. Which really makes me dislike him in the movie.

Also what alot of critics have been saying about the movies editing and pacing are right. It feels like a jumbled mess for about a hour and a half. The only things that are consistent are the fights scenes. The now infamous Nightmare scene preluding to Darkseid comes out of nowhere. And the Mecha-Flash scene after it just feels straight up bizarre.

There are alot more problems with this movie and it isnt good imo by any stretch of the word. But with that said I love the shit out of this movie. It is thoroughly in the so bad it's gooD category for me. I'd watch it ten more times just to see all the silly stuff happen while everyone is all super serious. Would definitely like to see this again. Hope it does well. I want to see the sequel to this mess lol.

 

[Magwik]

There's a line from Battfleck in the movie that hasn't been mentioned in regards to this. He says something like "I've seen good guys, bad guys, and good guys gone bad..." It's a nod to either Jason Todd as the Red Hood or the rumored Jason Todd becoming Joker in the movie universe.

He could be referring to himself.

"20 years of Gotham Alfred and we've seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left, how many stayed that way"

 

[Sanjuro]

"20 years of Gotham Alfred and we've seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left, how many stayed that way"

Sure. He also referred to himself as a criminal and shoots people.

 

[JTripper]

Two more wasted opportunities in this film that I was disappointed with:

• Nothing ever comes out of Superman killing Zod. I didn't like this choice in Man of Steel -- less so because of a principled "Superman shouldn't kill stance" and more so because there's no real build-up to Superman having to make that decision -- and I find Snyder's "Superman needs an origin for his no-kill rule" to be kind of morally suspect. But I was hopeful that it would lead to something interesting for Superman's character in the sequel... and no one ever talks about it! It has no bearing on Superman or anyone else; it doesn't inform the character at all, it doesn't spur any new development or even inspire him to take up a no-killing rule at the very least. It's just completely swept under the rug. In fact, if making Doomsday didn't for some reason require Zod's corpse to exist, they could have just as easily gone with the original ending for MoS and had Zod banished back to the Phantom Zone, and nothing about that movie or this one would be different.
  
• Batman does not seem especially grizzled or world-weary. This was their big pitch for what made Affleck's Batman different from the others. But he's nothing like Frank Miller's TDKR Batman. He hasn't been retired for years, he hasn't been traumatized (we can *assume* that Robin's death in the past had some effect on him but it doesn't really bear out in the story at all), and frankly, he looks good and healthy -- Affleck is only 43 after all! The only signs of aging in this Bruce Wayne are the slight streaks of gray in his hair. I didn't want them to do a 60-year-old broken-down Batman for their first time at bat anyway, but the constant comparisons to Miller and TDKR feel unearned and divorced from the actual movie. This Bruce Wayne is just middle-aged and has a shitty attitude about Superman.

I disagree on your second point. The film could have communicated it in a better way of course, but all things considered, it worked for me, which was the real accomplishment in a movie full of stuff to unpack or dislike.

He's pretty clearly more similar to Miller's Batman than any other on screen Batman. It's unquestionable, even if he isn't a retired Batman just coming back. And honestly, the Robin costume and the dialogue with Alfred was just subtle enough to infer to me that this Batman was different enough without being a totally offensive version of the character. We know that Jason Todd's death fucked with Batman's psychology in an effective way in the comics, so just the simple act of showing the suit lets you know that.

He brands people. This is a new thing for him, as shown by the news reports and people being surprised by this. He's changed, perhaps because his past efforts to make his impact on society was clearly doing just as much harm as it was good in his mind. Heroes don't exist anymore for this Batman, and he doesn't believe a "Superman" figure can exist in a world like this, which is why he constantly questions this alien who's making these efforts in Metropolis and the rest of the world.

 

[Badpsychometry]

That knightmare timeline seems to have been averted. Seems like bigger stakes going into justice league, especially with their biggest heavy hitter down

 

[GAMEPROFF]

That knightmare timeline seems to have been averted. Seems like bigger stakes going into justice league, especially with their biggest heavy hitter down

Superman is confirmed for Justice League Part I.

Thats why pulling a Death of Superman is stupid.

 

[friskykillface]

Nuked superman was pretty cool

But op gonna be op and not die

 

[jon bones]

This Batman and Superman is actually more faithful to their source mateirls then the comics are nowadays, Batman use to carry a Gun for crying out loud, People are just so use to Superman and Batman 3.0 or 4.0 that they forget about 1.0 who was created during a time that was Fucked Up by today's standard. Rich People were jumping out building and the poor were starving in the streets.

From that time period two icons were born. One and all powerful man who fought for the little guy and a rich guy who took on the criminal element by any means necessary if that bad guy happened to die he got what he his just desserts. That why I love Anime so much those heroes do what's necessary. This has been the first time I've liked Batman as a character in ages cause I roll my eyes at his preachy no kill bullshit.

When did we become pussies? Once the thugs Bruce was chasing opened up on him with ordnance no beat cops could deal with FUCK EM. Those dudes were trained killers anyway. No big lose to society.

lololol

 

[Sanjuro]

Superman is confirmed for Justice League Part I.

Thats why pulling a Death of Superman is stupid.

I'm guessing there is a Part 2.

 

[Sulik2]

Realizing he was played by Luthor still doesn't explain why he let Superman off. "If there's even a 1% chance" and all that. Luthor playing him doesn't change the existential threat Batman believes Superman to be.

Now if the only reason Batman was pissed/scared /worried by Superman was due to Luthor's schemes then that's one thing, but the film clearly, explicitly sets up the catalyst for Batman's view of Superman as a major threat to humanity being the destruction in Metropolis at the end of MOS.

Honestly they'd have been better just dropping in Doomsday in the middle of the fight and having Batman realise via Superman's actions and how out matched Batman/humanity would be alone against Doomsday that Superman isn't all bad.

He had Flash's warning about save her and when Clark mentioned his mother he saw him as a person not just an alien for the first time. I thought his decision there to pull back was pretty well done.

Was that a motherbox with Cyborg?

 

[JTripper]

Superman is confirmed for Justice League Part I.

Thats why pulling a Death of Superman is stupid.

I thought the ending was a little dumb. It sorta felt like it was beating me over the head trying to say "COMICS BRO" with Batman and WW talking about forming a team and having the dirt rise when you know Superman cannot possibly be dead either way. It's relies on the assumption that we're familiar with comic book tropes and ends with basically a false conclusion.

 

[TheSlySoul]

I'm guessing there is a Part 2.

Don't you know the last movie of a franchise has to have 2 parts, maybe even 3!

I don't see where people are calling Batman here a killer. Yeah, some henchmen got killed in combat but he didn't kill anyone in cold blood like his parents were killed.

Did you forget when he tried to stab Superman which would have killed him?

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I don't see where people are calling Batman here a killer. Yeah, some henchmen got killed in combat but he didn't kill anyone in cold blood like his parents were killed.

 

[Wellington]

"20 years of Gotham Alfred and we've seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left, how many stayed that way"

Thanks bud that's the line. I wasn't even close lmao

I am considering watching it again today but I thought it was a very unenjoyable flick.

 

[Blader]

I disagree on your second point. The film could have communicated it in a better way of course, but all things considered, it worked for me, which was the real accomplishment in a movie full of stuff to unpack or dislike.

He's pretty clearly more similar to Miller's Batman than any other on screen Batman. It's unquestionable, even if he isn't a retired Batman just coming back. And honestly, the Robin costume and the dialogue with Alfred was just subtle enough to infer to me that this Batman was different enough without being a totally offensive version of the character. We know that Jason Todd's death fucked with Batman's psychology in an effective way in the comics, so just the simple act of showing the suit lets you know that.

He brands people. This is a new thing for him, as shown by the news reports and people being surprised by this. He's changed, perhaps because his past efforts to make his impact on society was clearly doing just as much harm as it was good in his mind. Heroes don't exist anymore for this Batman, and he doesn't believe a "Superman" figure can exist in a world like this, which is why he constantly questions this alien who's making these efforts in Metropolis and the rest of the world.

I think he's only really similar to Miller's/TDKR's Batman on the surface. Same disposition, same hard-edged tactics, same dead Robin (lol). But he didn't feel like this was a Batman that had been pushed to the brink, that was at the end of his rope and was time to finally take the kid gloves off. He just seemed like a harsher version of an otherwise normal Batman to me.

I think Bruce in Nolan's TDKR is a better example of a burned-out, world-weary Batman. Actually, Rises and BvS both portray the two sides of that same coin but neither is really a complete portrait of Miller's Batman.

Which, again, is ok with me. I don't want Miller's Batman to be the standard anyway. I just don't think they capitalized very well on the grizzled, war-hardened Batman that Snyder and Affleck were selling.

I don't see where people are calling Batman here a killer. Yeah, some henchmen got killed in combat but he didn't kill anyone in cold blood like his parents were killed.

I'm guessing it has something to do with Batman killing people.

 

[JTripper]

I think he's only really similar to Miller's/TDKR's Batman on the surface. Same disposition, same hard-edged tactics, same dead Robin (lol). But he didn't feel like this was a Batman that had been pushed to the brink, that was at the end of his rope and was time to finally take the kid gloves off. He just seemed like a harsher version of an otherwise normal Batman to me.

I think Bruce in Nolan's TDKR is a better example of a burned-out, world-weary Batman. Actually, Rises and BvS both portray the two sides of that same coin but neither is really a complete portrait of Miller's Batman.

Which, again, is ok with me. I don't want Miller's Batman to be the standard anyway. I just don't think they capitalized very well on the grizzled, war-hardened Batman that Snyder and Affleck were selling.



I'm guessing it has something to do with Batman killing people.

I agree on that point. It could have been more convincing, but in the end I think I fall on the other side of the coin where I bought it mostly because I'm interested to see how they explore this version of the character down the line based on the few seeds planted in this film.

 

[Glass Shark]

Realizing he was played by Luthor still doesn't explain why he let Superman off. "If there's even a 1% chance" and all that. Luthor playing him doesn't change the existential threat Batman believes Superman to be.

Now if the only reason Batman was pissed/scared /worried by Superman was due to Luthor's schemes then that's one thing, but the film clearly, explicitly sets up the catalyst for Batman's view of Superman as a major threat to humanity being the destruction in Metropolis at the end of MOS.

I think the idea was that Bruce finally saw Clark as a person, not as an intimidating all-powerful alien.

 

[Strax]

[*]Batman does not seem especially grizzled or world-weary. This was their big pitch for what made Affleck's Batman different from the others. But he's nothing like Frank Miller's TDKR Batman. He hasn't been retired for years, he hasn't been traumatized (we can *assume* that Robin's death in the past had some effect on him but it doesn't really bear out in the story at all), and frankly, he looks good and healthy -- Affleck is only 43 after all! The only signs of aging in this Bruce Wayne are the slight streaks of gray in his hair. I didn't want them to do a 60-year-old broken-down Batman for their first time at bat anyway, but the constant comparisons to Miller and TDKR feel unearned and divorced from the actual movie. This Bruce Wayne is just middle-aged and has a shitty attitude about Superman.
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He's almost nothing but grizzeld and world-weary. Just because he hasn't retired or is 60 years old doesn't mean he can't be grizzeld and world-weary.

 

[Magwik]

Thanks bud that's the line. I wasn't even close lmao

I am considering watching it again today but I thought it was a very unenjoyable flick.

I'd say go for it just because I felt a second viewing really helped me catch some of the smaller details and dialogue bits.

 

[Mangoverboard]

Alfred would have been young enough for them to be a crime fighting duo together for a while. I'm quite excited for more back story to this Batman we'll get with Suicide Squad.

 

[Badpsychometry]

Superman is confirmed for Justice League Part I.

Thats why pulling a Death of Superman is stupid.

Okay, maybe he'll come back with more of a personality then... LOL

 

[Blader]

Also, I may have missed something toward the very end because I was distracted by a fucking mouse running past my seat. Was there anything that happened between Bruce telling Diana something was coming and they needed to be ready to fight, and Lois dropping dirt on Clark's grave (which then promptly levitates)?

 

[ShemhazaiX]

That knightmare timeline seems to have been averted. Seems like bigger stakes going into justice league, especially with their biggest heavy hitter down

So, I've given my opinions in the other threads, however I think the biggest change to the movie I would have made is to move the entire Knightmare sequence to the post credits stinger. Just put the whole thing there. It would have seemed a lot less out of place there as well as giving people a post credits scene to watch (which seems to be a big disappointment to people for some reason, though I don't understand that point of view myself).

 

[Mangoverboard]

At least half my screening were waiting for a post credits scene. I'd done the research.

Anyone else like the military's black coffin with silver Superman symbol? I thought that was a nice nod.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

At least half my screening were waiting for a post credits scene. I'd done the research.

Anyone else like the military's black coffin with silver Superman symbol? I thought that was a nice nod.

I believe that is straight from Death of Superman.

 

[Garlador]

It's a little thing but... wow, did I hate the look of The Flash. The Flash was always my favorite hero growing up so I was eager to see his first big-screen debut, and what little I saw was very, very meh. The costume just did not look right.

Gustin Grant probably doesn't have anything to worry about.

 

[Sanjuro]

Don't you know the last movie of a franchise has to have 2 parts, maybe even 3!


Did you forget when he tried to stab Superman which would have killed him?

By part three we will all be zombie Supes.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

As I was watching this, I felt like I was sifting through the pieces of a better movie. There are some good lines and even parts of good scenes, but they're all broken up in such an awkward way that a great deal of this movie feels like it was cobbled together. The way it brushes up against its themes and character motivations only to immediately shift the focus onto another plot point or an action scene is super frustrating; I like some of what it says about Superman's place in the world and parts of how it characterizes Bruce, but it's just not enough. And either way, it all goes away for an action-heavy climax that is decent to look at but ultimately doesn't feel earned due to the way the film struggles to find its focus.

Doomsday and Wonder Woman feel like they don't need to be in this movie, and I think in a perfect world, the whole Death of Superman thing would've been saved for a Man of Steel 2. I like the idea of it leading into the Justice League, but the way it's shoved into this movie means Batman's relationship with Superman seems to materialize out of thin air. I get what they're going for with the whole Martha thing and I actually really like it in concept because it's just this little thing that finally reaches Batman, but again, it needed more of a buildup. They don't even have the time to discuss their issues with each other.

Acting-wise, Cavill seemed like the weak link here, which surprised me since I thought he was fine in Man of Steel. I'm still not sure about Gal Gadot carrying her own movie, but she has a good physical presence and I'm decidedly less concerned than I was before. Ben Affleck and Jeremy Irons are great. Eisenberg was good; he managed to come off like a little shit but also a credible threat, and that could've easily gone wrong.

I actually don't have that big of a problem with Batman killing people since they acknowledge that his behavior has escalated to cruelty, though it's something I wish was expanded on some more. They do seem like they leave him in a place where he can come back from the bad mindset he's been in, too.

I felt that the Batman vs. Luthor goons fight scene was the only real standout here. The Batmobile chase was overdone, Batman vs. Superman didn't have the emotional weight it was leaning on, and the Doomsday fight just seemed like a lot of explosions.

I don't have my hopes dashed for Justice League, strangely, because I think the main issue is the scope rather than being bad on a fundamental level. It did, ultimately, try to do too much in one movie. I'm honestly not sure if it's better or worse than Man of Steel. It's more interesting for sure, but the jumble of characters and plot points is a big problem. Still interested in the three hour cut.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Superman is confirmed for Justice League Part I.

Thats why pulling a Death of Superman is stupid.

The movie was already bloated, and they spent so much time on the funeral. What a colossal waste of an ending.

 

[Penguin]

Also, I may have missed something toward the very end because I was distracted by a fucking mouse running past my seat. Was there anything that happened between Bruce telling Diana something was coming and they needed to be ready to fight, and Lois dropping dirt on Clark's grave (which then promptly levitates)?

Yeah, Batman goes to Lex to find out what he has done

And that's when you get the Darkseid tease

"He's coming and he's hungry! Ding, ding, ding!"

 

[OrochiJR]

It's a little thing but... wow, did I hate the look of The Flash. The Flash was always my favorite hero growing up so I was eager to see his first big-screen debut, and what little I saw was very, very meh. The costume just did not look right.

Gustin Grant probably doesn't have anything to worry about.

I cannot stress enough what a loss it is that they cannot/ don't want to use the Arrowverse versions of the Flash and Green Arrow. It would have been so awesome to see them on the big screen.

 

[Blader]

Yeah, Batman goes to Lex to find out what he has done

And that's when you get the Darkseid tease

"He's coming and he's hungry! Ding, ding, ding!"

Oh no, I saw that part. They cut to that sequence, then cut back to a close-up of Bruce's face... then a mouse runs past my feet... then I look up and Lois drops the dirt on Clark's grave. I guess there was nothing there then.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Oh no, I saw that part. They cut to that sequence, then cut back to a close-up of Bruce's face... then a mouse runs past my feet... then I look up and Lois drops the dirt on Clark's grave. I guess there was nothing there then.

That's the movie in a nutshell.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

I cannot stress enough what a loss it is that they cannot/ don't want to use the Arrowverse versions of the Flash and Green Arrow. It would have been so awesome to see them on the big screen.

I'll be honest, as much as I like Arrow and Flash, I would not want Stephen Amell and Grant Gustin on the big screen as those characters. Love them both, but they're not quite there in my opinion.

 

[Penguin]

Oh no, I saw that part. They cut to that sequence, then cut back to a close-up of Bruce's face... then a mouse runs past my feet... then I look up and Lois drops the dirt on Clark's grave. I guess there was nothing there then.

Oh he just walks away from the site

 

[thehypocrite]

Average rating of this movie is a 5/10 (and a yellow on Metacritic) and honestly that's probably where the movie falls. Around the average mark, not bad not great either.

That's not how a scale works. There's places in between average and great. There's also places beyond them.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Also, I may have missed something toward the very end because I was distracted by a fucking mouse running past my seat. Was there anything that happened between Bruce telling Diana something was coming and they needed to be ready to fight, and Lois dropping dirt on Clark's grave (which then promptly levitates)?

Well, this explains your thoughts on Batman's grizzled worldweariness or how nothing comes out of Superman killing Zod

I think that the scene where Bruce visits Lex in prison happens between those. Possibly very important stuff.

Ah, so you did see that? Nevermind, I guess.

The former two points stand tho

That's the movie in a nutshell.

Just the opposite, actually.

 

[ArtHands]

I cannot stress enough what a loss it is that they cannot/ don't want to use the Arrowverse versions of the Flash and Green Arrow. It would have been so awesome to see them on the big screen.

Those arrowverse guys dodged a bullet there

 

[WAR recon zero]

The more i think about this movie the more i like it

 

[Inferno313]

It has to be some kind of weird meta-commentary that the fight is resolved when Bats and Supes realize they're the same character, right?

 

[Poodlestrike]

It has to be some kind of weird meta-commentary that the fight is resolved when Bats and Supes realize they're the same character, right?

heh.

Kinda!

People keep talking about Superman having a revelation, but he realized the truth a while before the end of the fight, or the start of it, for that matter. This was not a mutual moment, it was Batman being shocked into the realization that Superman's a real person, in a sense. Hearing Martha like that calls back to the origin (duh), leaving Bruce vulnerable in a way he previously hadn't been. Which opens the door for Clark to finally speak to him, directly.