Batman > Superman: Dawn of Justice |OT| Enter the Knightmare
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More_Badass
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It definitely was a fun time at the movies and had great big-screen spectacle, but I also totally see what the reviews were saying about the pacing and Eisenberg.
The theater was half-full too; I've never seen so many people for a first showing. Even more than when I went to see Star Wars and Deadpool. The atmosphere afterwards was pretty positive. I think this'll do very well in the box office
Just got back back from the theater and, wow, that was quite a movie. I really need to see the full R-rated cut before I make a solid opinion because it definitely felt very rushed throughout the whole thing. The movie really needed to either be split into two movies or have another solo Superman and/or a solo Batman movie beforehand to really establish the characters and their motivations. The lack of characterization, poor pacing, and rushed storyline really hurt the overall movie for me. Even Batman, who was my favorite part of the movie, really needed a bigger background to really establish the kind of Batman he is in this film. Despite having a bigger role in the role, he felt as characterized as Wonder Woman. Same with Lex who I also enjoyed for the most part.
Overall, I still thought it was a decent film. As always, Synder's visuals are really spectacular and the fight scenes are really a sight to behold in IMAX. All the cool comic book moments looked so amazing. I just wish there was more care and writing done to Superman and Batman's character to really make those awesome Trinity moments feel more real. A lot of things just felt very soulless, which is the exact problem I had with Man of Steel.
Overall, I still thought it was a decent film. As always, Synder's visuals are really spectacular and the fight scenes are really a sight to behold in IMAX. All the cool comic book moments looked so amazing. I just wish there was more care and writing done to Superman and Batman's character to really make those awesome Trinity moments feel more real. A lot of things just felt very soulless, which is the exact problem I had with Man of Steel.
JadedWriter
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I'm on a line waiting outside the theatre waiting for this cinematic cluster fuck to begin.
Interview with Snyder about the "ultimate cut"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fsw42prfp8
- Deeper Dive
- Story lines fleshed out
- More Character beats
- Little bit more action (Warehouse, Doomsday)
- Extra beats from entire film, not one particular section
- Cuts made very recently
- He's unfortunately not James Cameron and can't just make a 3 hour movie for theater (lol)
- Theatrical cut is "workable" version
- Is his Director's Cut
Definitely seems like another Watchmen situation. Theatrical edit is just to fit within runtime guidelines, and the home video is the true cut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fsw42prfp8
- Deeper Dive
- Story lines fleshed out
- More Character beats
- Little bit more action (Warehouse, Doomsday)
- Extra beats from entire film, not one particular section
- Cuts made very recently
- He's unfortunately not James Cameron and can't just make a 3 hour movie for theater (lol)
- Theatrical cut is "workable" version
- Is his Director's Cut
Definitely seems like another Watchmen situation. Theatrical edit is just to fit within runtime guidelines, and the home video is the true cut.
Sounds like this is the movie that should have been sent to theaters.
More warehouse would be great
link1201
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I'd be up for 3 hours but not sure if other people would be.
Sounds good to me.
Studios would be hesitant to cut major blockbusters that long because it reduces the number of showtimes.
brandonh83
Banned
I mean it almost makes me just want to wait.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
As someone who vehemently criticized Man of Steel, I found myself enjoying BVS a lot more than I thought I would.
Not for the story or anything, but for the same reasons I loved Noah; uncompromising and alienating filmmaking that feels so weird that you don't know if you're supposed to be in awe, laughing or crying.
The last act of the movie, I was giggling to myself out of schadenfreude for what everyone else in the theatre were going through.
It's a loud, alienating, uncompromising spectacle in all its horrible glory.
Not for the story or anything, but for the same reasons I loved Noah; uncompromising and alienating filmmaking that feels so weird that you don't know if you're supposed to be in awe, laughing or crying.
The last act of the movie, I was giggling to myself out of schadenfreude for what everyone else in the theatre were going through.
It's a loud, alienating, uncompromising spectacle in all its horrible glory.
link1201
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I probably would if I could. Waiting until Sunday is already killing me.
Why not just ask WB to release the 3-hour cut in theaters? I mean they let Peter Jackson go all out with Lord of the Rings, plus the King Kong movie.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah I'm going Tuesday. No patience at all.
.. that's why
Razgriz-Specter
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SJRB
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I loved how spartan it was, considering it's Batman and he's surrounded by high-tech gadgets and could probably build some crazy futuristic ultimate weight lifting machine.
He hated it?
actually no joke, that training scene was actually one of the best parts of the movie
truly getting strong is just using the old shit, like deadlifts, bench presses, squats and pullups
training single groups of muscle won't do much
Box Office: 'Batman v Superman' Huge Friday for Record $160M-$175M Debut
Zack Snyder sleeps a little easier tonight.
We'll see what next weekend brings
Zack Snyder sleeps a little easier tonight.
We'll see what next weekend brings
Wow, this sounds better than the theatrical cut we got now.
BlackGhost
Banned
I just got back from it, I enjoyed it.
I could see how some ppl might not like it, but by no means is the movie trash. Personally not sure how much younger kids would enjoy it haha, it won't be avengers for them.
Batman was my favorite part
I look forward to more Affleck batman in this light
I could see how some ppl might not like it, but by no means is the movie trash. Personally not sure how much younger kids would enjoy it haha, it won't be avengers for them.
Batman was my favorite part
really enjoyed the batman they made in the movie. It was alittle darker batman then usuall. This batman was afraid to use guns, and frequently did. He had those odd nightmares/hallucinations with was a nice touch.
SJRB
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Well yeah, that's the thing right. At first I kinda chuckled because, you know, doing 20 pullups isn't going to help you beat Superman. But then you realise the armor is probably heavy as fuck and requires insane strength to wear.
I was really impressed with how big Affleck was. Cavill was ripped, but Affleck was just in full beast mode.
BlackGhost
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Big movie spoilers, don't click if you haven't seen it.
Lex:
Lex:
what exactly is his end game with doomsday? If doomsday kills superman, what next? Didn't seem like Lex had legitimate way to stop him in the end
Poodlestrike
Banned
One thing they sort of implied, and maybe should have made more clear, is that
whatever Lex saw in the Kryptonian archive fucked him up pretty good. Might be he didn't care anymore.
"Looks cool, makes zero sense." Zack Snyder's mantra
Lex is
being controlled by Darkseid.
As someone who goes to the gym a lot, I was impressed with both. But yeah more so with batman. Dude was repping 75lb (at least) weighted pull-ups. Supes looked huge, but i don't know how much of it was the suit. It might be me, but he looked bigger in the suit than he did in normal clothes.
Wonder Woman could have still looked bigger, but her fight intro was badass enough for me to forget it.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yeah I don't think that was implied, but he was clearly shaken by something he'd learned
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Non Spoiler version of my impressions!
Below is just my opinion. It is merely me attempting to capture my personal preferences, observations, and my overall experience. You will probably feel different, and that is okay.
I hated the trailers, except for one maybe, but most of them left me disappointed. Explosions, explosions, loud music and some more cgi thrown in. I didn't care for the marketing campaign, and I was afraid this movie would be like any other superhero movie I had seen in the past couple of years, that I'd get a typical opening scene, a typical middle, typical scene transition, typical-- you get where I'm going with this. I didn't get any of this. I got a strange fucking movie. Like REALLY strange. The kind where even I went 'uh, I can't believe they did that'.
I loved this movie.
I've always wanted the bigger superhero movies to get the watchmen treatment, and that's exactly what I got for the first half of this movie. The first half is fucking incredible. I can't believe Snyder got to work on that. Larry Fong cinematography is masterful. The whole Batman introduction is INSANE. There is nothing that could top that for me when it comes to Batman. That was a thing to behold.
The amount of story told SIMPLY through imagery in that first 30-40 minutes is absolutely genius. The editing, I'll get back to this, but in this part of the movie the editing is a work of art. The music, the editing, the cinematography, I felt things. This was Batman being introduced like he should have been.
I felt like I was watching a comic come back to life. That was incredible. I haven't seen anything of the sort in a superhero movie since Watchmen.
As I said before, this was a strange movie. Really strangely put together. It didn't follow any real formula. It was the first superhero movie I've seen in a while where I had no idea whether we were halfway through the movie or whether the ending was nearer. And I fucking loved it. It was such a major deviation. It felt as though someone just wanted to make their own kind of superhero movie. Chris Terrio dug real deep into the DC verse and came up with his own stuff, and Snyder attempted to capture his madness in visual representation. This is the kind of movie you get when you have someone who is an otherwise an incredible writer working with a director with an eye for imagery. And together they come up with some strange fucking shit.
There were some moments where I felt the editing was moving away from some scenes too early. It's a double-edged sword. The editing is what made the first part of the movie work, but at some points it would switch too early. Still a strange way to put together a film. I didn't hate or anything, it was just something I noticed, and don't know how to feel about it.
This movie has some small issues, most of which I've covered in the spoiler thread.
This movie would have worked better if they had done the following:
1.Removed Lex Luthor entirely.
2. Remove Doomsday.
3. Superman's road to redemption in the eyes of the citizens should have been after the senate hearing, and he should have then pledged himself to the American government, which should have lead to him and Batman having some sort of confrontation both of them fully understanding where the other is coming from, but one in which neither can back out from.
4. With that time freed up, I'd have spent another 10 minutes trying to get Batman/Clark/Loise/Martha Kent together at the Kent farm having a lunch and getting to know each other.
5. Some more scenes with Holly Hunter's character. She should have been the one to convince Superman to not subordinate himself to the government any more after she witnesses how human corruption is worse than letting Superman do his own thing.
6.
Just a postcredit sequence would have been enough.
There basically shouldn't have been a bad guy in this movie aside from an ideology clash. And guess what, the death count would have been a lot lower too. And you'd have a lot more time to do more things.
This movie feels as though a bunch of comicbook nerds got together and decided to make their own elseworld story. Someone high up took a serious fucking risk. Did you ever expect yourself to see desert Batman being attacked by an army of Superman henchman, whilst fucking PARADEMONS are flying all across and around? But that's exactly what you got. That's fucking incredible,and you got that.
This movie has its flaws, but it is no way a terrible movie the likes of which some people would have you believe. It is mediocre in some aspects, nothing more offensive than what other superhero movies have done to us in the past few years. It is in some major aspects, superior to some of the latest superhero movies we have seen. The director's cut will win more people over, I am sure, it really felt as though there were some things they couldn't fit in there for the sake of timing.
It looks like it is rewatchable. Which for me is the metric of an enjoyable film for me personally. But like all other superhero movies, the big climax at the end the biggest hurdle stopping me from being able to that after a few times. They all have these boring endings, where CGI is just THROWN in your face whether you like it or not. It's a horrible thing they all do nowadays.
Below is just my opinion. It is merely me attempting to capture my personal preferences, observations, and my overall experience. You will probably feel different, and that is okay.
I hated the trailers, except for one maybe, but most of them left me disappointed. Explosions, explosions, loud music and some more cgi thrown in. I didn't care for the marketing campaign, and I was afraid this movie would be like any other superhero movie I had seen in the past couple of years, that I'd get a typical opening scene, a typical middle, typical scene transition, typical-- you get where I'm going with this. I didn't get any of this. I got a strange fucking movie. Like REALLY strange. The kind where even I went 'uh, I can't believe they did that'.
I loved this movie.
I've always wanted the bigger superhero movies to get the watchmen treatment, and that's exactly what I got for the first half of this movie. The first half is fucking incredible. I can't believe Snyder got to work on that. Larry Fong cinematography is masterful. The whole Batman introduction is INSANE. There is nothing that could top that for me when it comes to Batman. That was a thing to behold.
The amount of story told SIMPLY through imagery in that first 30-40 minutes is absolutely genius. The editing, I'll get back to this, but in this part of the movie the editing is a work of art. The music, the editing, the cinematography, I felt things. This was Batman being introduced like he should have been.
I felt like I was watching a comic come back to life. That was incredible. I haven't seen anything of the sort in a superhero movie since Watchmen.
As I said before, this was a strange movie. Really strangely put together. It didn't follow any real formula. It was the first superhero movie I've seen in a while where I had no idea whether we were halfway through the movie or whether the ending was nearer. And I fucking loved it. It was such a major deviation. It felt as though someone just wanted to make their own kind of superhero movie. Chris Terrio dug real deep into the DC verse and came up with his own stuff, and Snyder attempted to capture his madness in visual representation. This is the kind of movie you get when you have someone who is an otherwise an incredible writer working with a director with an eye for imagery. And together they come up with some strange fucking shit.
There were some moments where I felt the editing was moving away from some scenes too early. It's a double-edged sword. The editing is what made the first part of the movie work, but at some points it would switch too early. Still a strange way to put together a film. I didn't hate or anything, it was just something I noticed, and don't know how to feel about it.
This movie has some small issues, most of which I've covered in the spoiler thread.
This movie would have worked better if they had done the following:
1.Removed Lex Luthor entirely.
2. Remove Doomsday.
3. Superman's road to redemption in the eyes of the citizens should have been after the senate hearing, and he should have then pledged himself to the American government, which should have lead to him and Batman having some sort of confrontation both of them fully understanding where the other is coming from, but one in which neither can back out from.
4. With that time freed up, I'd have spent another 10 minutes trying to get Batman/Clark/Loise/Martha Kent together at the Kent farm having a lunch and getting to know each other.
5. Some more scenes with Holly Hunter's character. She should have been the one to convince Superman to not subordinate himself to the government any more after she witnesses how human corruption is worse than letting Superman do his own thing.
6.
NO justice league stuff.
There basically shouldn't have been a bad guy in this movie aside from an ideology clash. And guess what, the death count would have been a lot lower too. And you'd have a lot more time to do more things.
This movie feels as though a bunch of comicbook nerds got together and decided to make their own elseworld story. Someone high up took a serious fucking risk. Did you ever expect yourself to see desert Batman being attacked by an army of Superman henchman, whilst fucking PARADEMONS are flying all across and around? But that's exactly what you got. That's fucking incredible,and you got that.
This movie has its flaws, but it is no way a terrible movie the likes of which some people would have you believe. It is mediocre in some aspects, nothing more offensive than what other superhero movies have done to us in the past few years. It is in some major aspects, superior to some of the latest superhero movies we have seen. The director's cut will win more people over, I am sure, it really felt as though there were some things they couldn't fit in there for the sake of timing.
It looks like it is rewatchable. Which for me is the metric of an enjoyable film for me personally. But like all other superhero movies, the big climax at the end the biggest hurdle stopping me from being able to that after a few times. They all have these boring endings, where CGI is just THROWN in your face whether you like it or not. It's a horrible thing they all do nowadays.
Why?
Flash coming back to warn Bruce is from an alternative timeline wherein Lois Lane dies and Superman turns to Darkseid. The whole "Knightmare" sequence is meant to be a setup for Darkseid. The final scene between Lex and Batman is also meant to be a setup for Darkseid.
Poodlestrike
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Anton Sugar
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I'm seeing this tonight, but I reeeeally wanna know if this is true. A FB friend of mine (he is Mexican) posted this:
Spoilers so insignificant I probably don't need to use tags, btw.
Spoilers so insignificant I probably don't need to use tags, btw.
Still like his movies though. Yet to see BvS.
Zack looks either sick, or like he really, really needs a vacation.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I don't remember any sombreros. It was a Day of the Dead festival, there were costumes.
That does seem like the right amount of grimdark for Snyder.
TheSlySoul
Member
The funniest thing about that scene was
they were celebrating Day of the Dead and then started worshipping him when Tyson talks about Jesus. It is so I AM JESUS it hurts.
GlenChivas
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Michael Shannon gets it.
When asked about who would win between Batman and Superman:
When asked about who would win between Batman and Superman:
My hope is that (spoilers from ending)
That's my guess.
Superman's inevitable return in Justice League will be a rebirth for the character and they'll move away from Goyer's dour take. Superman is the worst part of the movie.
That's my guess.
Fair point. We'll have to wait and see.
Braniac would be a good villain to setup for the next solo Superman movie, although that's probably not going to happen for a while. I think Dark Seid would be more fitting of an impetus to establish the Justice League.
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