Obliterator
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That a really good post Abdiel
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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That a really good post Abdiel
Obviously this is still early and we don't have concrete confirmation but this is not sounding like something I like. I don't mind them upgrading the PS4 and releasing a new version, that's nothing new despite what a lot of people were saying but from the sounds of this info, this is a pretty massive upgrade, to the point they might even charge $499 for this beast. Yeah I would love that system in theory but I'm not sure if I want to get it like this.
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Deleted member 10571
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Yeah, agreed. Waiting for Nintendo and maybe switching to a good PC before PSVR comes out even.
Man, fuck this.
lol. Do you guys really want to sacrifice console gaming for something like this?
Think it through.
Okay, naw, I'd like to see people eating crow.
So?
Sony will have done the market analysis to support this. They will have calculated how many of the early ps4 adopters are willing to upgrade, and will have spoken to developers about the additional cost of supporting multiple active platforms.
I don't see it being a big deal.
Bolivar687
Banned
So the Wii U will have had a longer lifespan than the OG PS4.
Huh.
Huh.
Sony is making money right now as opposed to the PS3 that was a complete shit show.
SmiteOfHand
Member
The ipad is on a yearly refresh, meaning the ipad 2 is now nearly 5 generations behind. For your example to hold up against a 2-3 year refresh cycle then it would be 10-15 years before your example becomes a problem.
Portugeezer
Member
Still hoping this is all BS.
Blak_Status
Member
This shit was got damn hilarious. Bravo sir... Bravo.
Fess
Member
This is exactly how my thought go too. No more of this nonsense fir ne, I've bought every Sony console day 1 and at least once more every generation since they entered the console business but if this is true then I'm officially out. This is bullshit.
Not that it matters but I just asked my wife, co-workers and friends and they all reacted the same way. This comes at least 2 years too early. Not counting remakes, the news of an upgraded PS4 is out but we've seen no Gran Turismo, no God of War, no Uncharted, no Last of Us, no Final Fantasy, no Tekken, no Crash, no Ratchet & Clank, no Jak, no DMC, no Soul Calibur, no Shenmue etc. Why did I buy the PS4 again?? PS4 has sold well because it's the best hardware and we all knew all those games would eventually arrive but personally I would never ever have bought it if I knew a better PS console would be out after 3 years that would run those games better.
OrbitalBeard
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Assuming all future PlayStation systems are fully BC (which is very likely under the x86 architecture), I'm personally in love with this idea.
I can buy the PS4K or wait until the PS5. Either way, all of my PS4 games will work on the new hardware and many of them will be improved.
Bring it on. I'm completely on board with this.
I can buy the PS4K or wait until the PS5. Either way, all of my PS4 games will work on the new hardware and many of them will be improved.
Bring it on. I'm completely on board with this.
geordiemp
Member
Thats not what happens though is it. Devs make a PC game, put in options.
Ps4 get 1080p30 and they spend all their time optimising the XB1 version to try and get parity, How many threads on NEogaf have we seen on this, its almost every game where the weakest link gets all the effort to bring it up to par, and the parity argument starts,
All I see is the Ps4k meets the spec and is done easily, ps4 gets some time and Xb1 the most. No difference. PS4K owners will be moaning they got a simple 4k upscale and no effort - upscale parity.
The Lone Courier
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If your gonna do it, might as well do it right.
Kralamoonard
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Last bastions of true socialism have fallen, Cuba and Playstation.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Sony makes money on every PS4 sold, so they probably don't care anymore. It's not like the old days where they'll lost $50 per console sold.
Markets don't create themselves, someone has to push it.
Nameless
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gundamkyoukai
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For certain people there not smartphones, tablets , smarts TV etc etc made that possible.
I don't know anyone that still has a desktop if it not for work also .
thehillissilent
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I hope so because that is the only way I'm buying PS4K. I'm more than satisfied with OG PS4 and my gaming PCs at the moment.
Lone Wolf
Member
thanks for the link. I had no idea.
Tainted
Member
A Bish approved source, which is regarded as being set in stone in GAF world
Mmmmh.
You see, I never had a problem with the concept itself of PS4K since, well, I'm one of those people in the camp that believes in the family of consoles as Nintendo's next evolution hardware-wise, with a quicker hardware refresh rate and consoles and handhelds sharing games. Also, DSi and New 3DS are, indeed, revised versions of already existing consoles which are quite more powerful than the original in several ways. So yes, it's not like I refuse the concept of generations becoming more fluid, with mid-gen refreshes.
But, if the infos shared by OsirisBlack are true, I'm not that positive about Sony's execution, mainly for two reasons
1) I think three years is a bit sooner for a home console powered-up restyle. IMHO, 4 years between the original home console and the restyle would make this practice more acceptable, since 4 years is nearer to what people can expect as a decent "generation" length. Also, I think that people are much more used to buy mobile / handheld devices restyles than home devices assuming a 3-years time period between original and new version, due to how much they use them outside their houses and thanks to different payment methods for mobile devices. But, to be honest, this is more of a personal feeling, maybe people (by "people", I mean general audience as a whole, not just enthusiasts) is ready to buy home device in PS4K's price range at this kind of refresh rate. I doubt it, but it's possible. Especially if it's $399.99
2) This is my main concern about what stated in the OP: how it says that not only developers have PS4K dev kits already, but the development is going so much towards PS4K that upcoming PS4 games will run on regular PS4s with "significant sacrifices". It's how it's worded that worries me the most. I was expecting a smaller increase in specs, honestly, this seems quite more than what I thought, considering the starting point, but that's besides the real concern. You see, there are exclusive games on DSi and New 3DS, but they didn't / do represent the majority of DS / 3DS lineup, not at all. Most of all, though, there aren't games that are so much better on the restyles, that the development of which was so focused on the new versions that the original hardwares got a shitty treatment. Aside from Hyrule Warriors Legends, which is a game that clearly saw a development focus on New 3DS, seeing how badly it performs on the original. And that's my biggest worry with PS4K IF (a gigantic, massive IF) games really take so much advantage of the new hardware that original PS4 owners can still enjoy those games, but with "significant sacrifices": that those "significant sacrifices" result in Hyrule Warriors Legends-like scenarios being more spread and right from the get go. That would mean pissing off the 40+ millions of PS4 owners when this revision will come out, if it's that spread, and that could be quite difficult to face, both comunication and marketing-wise. Depending on how significant the sacrifices are, that would fragment the PS4 ecosystem, which seems to me like the exact opposite of what Sony should try to achieve with this kind of move, in the same way (to make an example) DSi and New 3DS represented by far extension of the ecosystem, not fragmentation. Even if New 3DS' announcement declaration were kind of pointing to a situation more similar to PS4K (exclusives), despite the lack of statements about games on older versions getting the short stick.
We'll have to see if this rumour is true and how the real thing is executed of course, but this supposed course of the events doesn't sound as positive as I thought at first. Or better, much less consumer-friendly than I thought given the circumstances.
You see, I never had a problem with the concept itself of PS4K since, well, I'm one of those people in the camp that believes in the family of consoles as Nintendo's next evolution hardware-wise, with a quicker hardware refresh rate and consoles and handhelds sharing games. Also, DSi and New 3DS are, indeed, revised versions of already existing consoles which are quite more powerful than the original in several ways. So yes, it's not like I refuse the concept of generations becoming more fluid, with mid-gen refreshes.
But, if the infos shared by OsirisBlack are true, I'm not that positive about Sony's execution, mainly for two reasons
1) I think three years is a bit sooner for a home console powered-up restyle. IMHO, 4 years between the original home console and the restyle would make this practice more acceptable, since 4 years is nearer to what people can expect as a decent "generation" length. Also, I think that people are much more used to buy mobile / handheld devices restyles than home devices assuming a 3-years time period between original and new version, due to how much they use them outside their houses and thanks to different payment methods for mobile devices. But, to be honest, this is more of a personal feeling, maybe people (by "people", I mean general audience as a whole, not just enthusiasts) is ready to buy home device in PS4K's price range at this kind of refresh rate. I doubt it, but it's possible. Especially if it's $399.99
2) This is my main concern about what stated in the OP: how it says that not only developers have PS4K dev kits already, but the development is going so much towards PS4K that upcoming PS4 games will run on regular PS4s with "significant sacrifices". It's how it's worded that worries me the most. I was expecting a smaller increase in specs, honestly, this seems quite more than what I thought, considering the starting point, but that's besides the real concern. You see, there are exclusive games on DSi and New 3DS, but they didn't / do represent the majority of DS / 3DS lineup, not at all. Most of all, though, there aren't games that are so much better on the restyles, that the development of which was so focused on the new versions that the original hardwares got a shitty treatment. Aside from Hyrule Warriors Legends, which is a game that clearly saw a development focus on New 3DS, seeing how badly it performs on the original. And that's my biggest worry with PS4K IF (a gigantic, massive IF) games really take so much advantage of the new hardware that original PS4 owners can still enjoy those games, but with "significant sacrifices": that those "significant sacrifices" result in Hyrule Warriors Legends-like scenarios being more spread and right from the get go. That would mean pissing off the 40+ millions of PS4 owners when this revision will come out, if it's that spread, and that could be quite difficult to face, both comunication and marketing-wise. Depending on how significant the sacrifices are, that would fragment the PS4 ecosystem, which seems to me like the exact opposite of what Sony should try to achieve with this kind of move, in the same way (to make an example) DSi and New 3DS represented by far extension of the ecosystem, not fragmentation. Even if New 3DS' announcement declaration were kind of pointing to a situation more similar to PS4K (exclusives), despite the lack of statements about games on older versions getting the short stick.
We'll have to see if this rumour is true and how the real thing is executed of course, but this supposed course of the events doesn't sound as positive as I thought at first. Or better, much less consumer-friendly than I thought given the circumstances.
LegendofLex
Member
In a world where the PS4K does not exist:
The general level of affordability for current hardware drops as the generation goes on, allowing a wider market to access the latest console games than could have otherwise.
In a world where the PS4K does exist:
The general level of affordability for current hardware remains stable or actually goes up as the generation goes on, meaning only the most hardcore enthusiasts will generally have access to the latest console hardware and the latest console games will be targeted more heavily to those tastes, limiting the degree to which the platform can serve the needs of a wider market.
Do you think developers code to the metal with every permutation on PC?
No, they let the hardware brute force it.
Do you think devs will code to the metal with an additional console SKU now?
Summer Haze
Banned
If anything, the early adopters should be the happiest about this. They've had their PS4s for over 2 years, and by the time the PS4K releases it will be 3 years old, or more. I'd be much more pissed if I waited to buy one now only to find out that another, more powerful, iteration is releasing soon...
Unless you meant you haven't bought one yet and this news means you're gonna wait even longer for the PS4k?
ArchedThunder
Banned
This isn't a completely different system with a completely different architecture and completely different specs. This is a PS4 with a stronger GPU. Optimization will be easy as hell.
They should at least make sure to support old consoles all the way to the end in an acceptable manner. Running in 15 fps on PS4s is sure as hell not gonna be ok.
Kind of feels like I don't want to buy anything until I'm sure the generation os over now. Like, what if I buy this, and then they release another one and I'll have to play all subsequent games with a terrible framerate/resolution/whatever.
For me, at least, this doesn't really incentivise buying anything, unless you're the kind of buy everything on release day.
Not saying they won't sell a ton of these, though.
For me, at least, this doesn't really incentivise buying anything, unless you're the kind of buy everything on release day.
Not saying they won't sell a ton of these, though.
lmfao
Yeah, I didn't much like that either...
If this is to become standard then companies have to be more forthcoming about their intent to do this from here on out or just come out with tiered console power SKUs from launch day.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Something like this, as in a minor concern? Bad performance is a minor concern?
And I have a detailed reasoning why this will push me over the edge here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199507238&postcount=2326
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Where are we at?
Im in the stage of Depression.
Good lord this is garbage.
Lmao.
Old hardware runs worse than new hardware. Who would have thought that.