Frag Waffles
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Sounds like a PS5 with backwards compatibility to me.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Sounds like a PS5 with backwards compatibility to me.
opticalmace
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Didn't say it was necessarily true, just might be something to consider.
GOW4 on PS4K is probably going to be the best looking game ever, PC or not.
Thinking about GOW4 on Ultra... I'ts going to be insane.
Sega from the 90s would like to have a word with you
I honestly loved the chaos of the constant new platforms back then but I thought the wild west days of gaming were over. Between this, VR and whatever Nintendo is cooking up things are getting interesting
expensive
Probably, the controller will stay the same no reason to change it.
Well there was the DSi precedent, and the New 3DS still has a single exclusive, and even then it doesn't appear(based on the OP) that there'll be any "PS4K exclusive".
casual_gamer
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The crappiest 4K player ever... Those things are not cheap, and they have some pretty beefy specs so far.
Why 6 years between PS5 and PS5.5?
EventHorizon
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Like I said. Has anyone EVER complained that games designed to run on high end PCs were screwing up consoles. That is an absolute laughable statement, and high end PCs will still be more powerful than the PS4K. That fact alone shows how ridiculous this hysteria is.
Please tell me how the PS4K could possibly screw up PS4 games. It simply won't happen. Period.
Night Angel
Member
Except that your PS4 can still play every game that the PS4k can?
bigboss370
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i know we all hate the dreadful "SonyToo" stuff, but when i think about WHY sony would do something like this, i keep thinking its because MS decided to do it with Xbox. And they decided to do it with Xbox because they were getting tired of all the underpowered negative associations.
Some people are saying its because of VR, but i remember watching a Sony VR presentation recently in which they outline one of key the reasons PSVR is great is because PS4 has a 40 million+ strong userbase with the exact same SKU. Optimize your PSVR game once and its optimized for every single customer.
Some people are saying its because of VR, but i remember watching a Sony VR presentation recently in which they outline one of key the reasons PSVR is great is because PS4 has a 40 million+ strong userbase with the exact same SKU. Optimize your PSVR game once and its optimized for every single customer.
Glorified G
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I wonder how many people would have bought a PS4 so far knowing a more powerful one is coming out early 2017?
I bought one in mid 2014 and while I don't regret it I definitely would have waited if I knew a version with much better specs was coming. This can really change how people adopt their consoles.
I bought one in mid 2014 and while I don't regret it I definitely would have waited if I knew a version with much better specs was coming. This can really change how people adopt their consoles.
How will developers like Rockstar and CD Projekt Red deal with new hardware when they take 5-6 years for their games? Cyberpunk 2077 was announced in 2013 just before XBO/PS4 came out, and that game is unlikely to come out until 2017-2018, which is one hardware refresh later. Hell, if they run into issues and delay into 2019, that's right around the corner of a new hardware refresh. Will they take advantage of the third hardware refresh at all? Will they develop with the second refresh as base, or the original XBO/PS4? Will they change focus mid-development to accomplish bigger dreams similar to cutting off last-generation for Witcher 3?
They're right.
The way some are reacting you'd think this is going to be a PS3 to PS4 type of difference when it's really going to be a medium vs high settings type of thing.
Night Angel
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Probably the same way they handle different PC specs, tbh.
onimushroom
Member
Yeah, it's understandable, but still disappointing. Doesn't make me hate the product or anything. I'm still all for it.
The console that I play on the most will get even better? Sign me up! Especially if it will improve the VR experience as well.
longdi
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Wonder what caused Sony to choose such a drastic change of strategy. I'm all for iterative consoles, but 2x don't sound all that more powerful and worth the risk. I think the radeon nano is like 6x more powerful. Now they will risk losing current and future sales. Early adopters will reconsider when to jump in.
Did rumblings of xbox1.5 freak them out?
Or is this topic just am elaborate April fools troll?
Did rumblings of xbox1.5 freak them out?
Or is this topic just am elaborate April fools troll?
Mustang 00
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Part of me feels that this is okay because consoles will get more powerful hardware and will lead to better games.
Another part of me feels like I should have waited 1 more year before buying a ps4.
Just bought a ps4 last week in anticipation for P5 and all other games coming this year as well as a nice 43 inch 1080p TV last Christmas which I used for my PC before getting the PS4.
Now I feel like I should be saving up for a 4k tv and the ps4.5 for next year. Hopefully nice 4k tvs are going to drop in price soon as well as gpus that can achieve 4k gaming.
Another part of me feels like I should have waited 1 more year before buying a ps4.
Just bought a ps4 last week in anticipation for P5 and all other games coming this year as well as a nice 43 inch 1080p TV last Christmas which I used for my PC before getting the PS4.
Now I feel like I should be saving up for a 4k tv and the ps4.5 for next year. Hopefully nice 4k tvs are going to drop in price soon as well as gpus that can achieve 4k gaming.
meanspartan
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Screwing up consoles? No. But a particular game designed for PC then placed on console can certainly be problematic. Crysis 3 and Xcom off the top of my head.
And you think all games will be optimised to run well on the original PS4 model? Good luck if you think a) the likes of Telltale and Ubisoft, whose QA is pretty terrible already, and b) all those indies who don't have many testers, are going to ensure that their games run well from start to end on the original PS4.
SneakyStephan
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What does '2x more powerful and much faster' mean?
It being higher clocked would be counted in the 2x more powerful statement surely.
A better cpu can't hurt, the hd7850 is not that bad a gpu even today, I'm sure a lot more games on ps4 would have been 60 had it had a faster cpu.
It being higher clocked would be counted in the 2x more powerful statement surely.
A better cpu can't hurt, the hd7850 is not that bad a gpu even today, I'm sure a lot more games on ps4 would have been 60 had it had a faster cpu.
Me_Marcadet
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Sacrifices over the ps4k version. That's obvious, just like the Witcher 3 on ps4 suffer from huge sacrifices versus the same game running on a beefier pc.
That doesn't mean the game is running like shit and is unplayable.
Your ps4 is still a ps4 with the same spec as when you bought it.
It will not run game better or worse than now.
The ps4k is the same platform with same architecture so the differences are even less than for the Witcher 3 on ps4 vs beefier pc.
Developers would have to massively fuck up if a game isn't running well on ps4. It would mean that they are trying to run a game that shouldn't exist on the console. Just like hyrule warrior on 3ds.the issue is not that the n3ds exist, but that someone approved the 3ds port. They shouldn't have been an hyrule warrior on the OG 3ds. And because Sony is bent over the fact that every game should be playable on both the ps4 and ps4k, because the whole point is to expand the userbase, this issue shouldn't exist on the ps4.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the ps4 is the hot item right now, while the 3ds is old and don't sell anymore. Another point is that hyrule warrior is already a port of a game running on a much more powerful console with a completely different architecture. There will never be a case like that with the ps4, not until the ps4 is way out and someone decide to port a game from it, a very unlikely scenario.
I don't see anybody blaming the pc version of just cause 3 for the poor performances on console. They just had to make sacrifices in order to run the game on consoles, but there are no evidence that the game would have run better if it was a console exclusive.
The concept that games will suddenly run like garbage because of the existence of a ps4k version defies logic. If the games run like garbage, it's because of the low spec of the ps4, and that's why we need a ps4k. It brings the choice to play games on console with better performance, just like on a beefier pc.
If you don't mind the lesser performance, you can still enjoy your ps4 for the rest of the generation, and if you are willing to pay more for novelty and better performance, you can upgrade and give your old console to a friend or family member. The ps4 global userbase is still growing and there would be even more incentives for publishers to make game for your preferred platform.
Your argument would be valid if the ps4k wouldn't be the same architecture as the ps4, or if Sony didn't care about the ps4 anymore.
Chezzymann
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Which is one of my problems with this, I'm afraid developers will start trying things thats possible on the PS4K, but not possible on the PS4. Which will alienate me. And I signed up for 5+ year of all the PS4 has to offer, which sucks.
While I was at work. aaaaaand it's locked. And here I was almost disappointed GAF. Thanks AmyS
The PS3/PS4 cross-gen phase might have yielded interesting market research for Sony. People seemed to buy PS4's so they could play better versions of the games they could play on their PS3's, perhaps moreso than the ability to play PS4 exclusives.
Having the worst version of a game hurts, thus it pushes you to upgrade more than having no version at all does.
Having the worst version of a game hurts, thus it pushes you to upgrade more than having no version at all does.
David Ricardo
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I think VR is going to get a lot of support in the OG PS4. But Sony don't want to miss the train on high quality VR experiences because this might be the next big thing and they want to be there from the start.
I also think not talking about it is a Scummy thing to do, a friend of mine bought a new PS4 with SFV for 350 just last week. But Sony has a situation here. It's going to be very difficult to sell this without making some millions of people angry.
How would you do it?
Nah. It will be fine. The ps3's blu ray player was one of the best for years after release. At the time of release they were selling for $600 or so alone.
UHD players are about $400 right now at this moment.
casual_gamer
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It's not that bad. This will become the norm across gaming in the next few years. And once again, those who are going PC. Good luck. That is REALLY expensive to keep up with. You don't have to worry about just GPU's, but memory, motherboards, HD's, etc.
Keeping up in PC gaming will make a $499 upgrade every four years or so seem incredibly CHEAP in comparison. Don't forget all those people who upgrade their phones every TWO years, and will be paying $400 or more for the privilege.
This is actually good news IMO
Keeping up in PC gaming will make a $499 upgrade every four years or so seem incredibly CHEAP in comparison. Don't forget all those people who upgrade their phones every TWO years, and will be paying $400 or more for the privilege.
This is actually good news IMO
EventHorizon
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As small as it is, the PSVR install base on the PS4 is still going to be huge compared to the install base on the PS4K. By what economics would you think there would be more people willing to spend the money for the PSVR + PSVR4k than there would be people who would just spend money for PSVR.
Install base( PSVR + PSVR4k ) > Install base( PSVR ) <= This is insane thinking
Given that, no developer is going to say "Hey you know what I'm going to do. I am going to make my potential small customer base even smaller by excluding the largest platform."
There are no secret hidden limits with this machine. It isn't some obscure PS3 exotic alien black box that needs to be unlocked. We've seen the limits long ago, on PC.
Fear not, 2x the GPU power will not cause this to happen.
If FROM SOFT releases a Dark Souls III game of the year edition that includes the two DLC expansions revealed by the season pass, adds some new stuff, changes some things around (a la Scholar of the First Sin) for PS4 but runs @ 60fps (1080p) on PS4K. I'd be doing cartwheels in the backyard.
It wouldn't be PS4K exclusive, because plenty of regular PS4 owners might want to buy a GOTY Edition as well.
It wouldn't be PS4K exclusive, because plenty of regular PS4 owners might want to buy a GOTY Edition as well.
The game has a LOT more content compared to when it was released on EA, with every update the price went up a bit.
ArkhamFantasy
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This machine has not been maxed out yet, especially by third party devs who until very recently, were still making games with the limitations of the PS3/360 in mind.
This. So much this.
PC gaming is easier than it used to be, just as owning a non-gaming one is easier, but go into any of the PC performance threads or on reddit and there are still a world of issues that often require more than basic knowledge to resolve.
Yes the flexibility is there if you want it, the mods, the performance sliders in games and so on, but as someone who works in IT the housekeeping hassles of PC ownership mean I'm still firmly in the console camp for gaming.
Pagusas
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I'm excited for this, at worst you sell your ps4 for $150 or $200, and buy a ps4.5 for $200 -$300 more, no big deal and much nicer looking games. It's basically just a iPhone S upgrade, which is great.
Those who can't afford to jump in stick with the pa4 and still get to play the same games, just maybe a bit worse. No big deal, they can upgrade later when they can afford it.
It'll be great getting a power bump and seeing games shine.
Those who can't afford to jump in stick with the pa4 and still get to play the same games, just maybe a bit worse. No big deal, they can upgrade later when they can afford it.
It'll be great getting a power bump and seeing games shine.
Omnii-chan
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Holy fuck 2x GPU and way better CPU? I'm in for $499, that's a good price for that.
Also GT Sport using the better specs? Hell yes!
I really don't mind this model, I'm sure games will run as they have fine on current hard ware 1080/60/30 with good graphics, the PS4K will just be way closer to PC.
Also GT Sport using the better specs? Hell yes!
I really don't mind this model, I'm sure games will run as they have fine on current hard ware 1080/60/30 with good graphics, the PS4K will just be way closer to PC.
meanspartan
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Make a standalone PS4VR. $500-600. Comes with a Console, VR headset, and extra graphics muscle built in.
It has extra power, but that extra power is only accessible for VR purposes. For all other uses, it is a Ps4. I guess if they want to add in 4k movie support and a nice upscaler for 4k, thats fine too.
I'd spend the money to buy that because it is approximately the same I am spending now to get PSVR. I'm not going $900-1000 though. Sorry. At that point Oculus' superiority is too tempting.
casual_gamer
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As far as I know there is ONE UHD player on the market right now. It will be interesting to see what they cost. What if I can get a UHD player that plays games for slightly more? That would sell pretty well. Especially if you like Sony games
David Ricardo
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Yes, it's pretty much the same. But the advantage of consoles is having a very big installed base of people with the same spec. So we (console gamers) get games optimized for our hardware for 5+ years. If you release a new more capable iteration of your hardware, then developers don't have as big an incentive to keep targetting the lower spec extracting every last frame of performance from the older hardware.
Theognosis
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Who would have thought that the much-criticized Wii U will end up have a longer run than the "mighty" PS4?
texhnolyze
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I hope there won't be a PS5, PS6, etc.
Just upgrade this PS4 forever so we don't have to worry about BC and remasters anymore. Well, maybe when a huge tech breakthrough comes out later in the next decade or so, they may release the PS5.
CyberPunked
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I hope they just push for 1080p/60fps with better visuals. It would be nice for multiplat games to not be downgraded a much.