Yeah I watched Age of Ultron for the first time ever after Batman vs. Superman, and it's definitely a much better movie. It has it's issues, but there's never a point in the movie where I do not understand what's going on or questioning why things are happening. BVS is full of shit like this, and while I hope the Director's Cut fixes these problems (clearer motivations outside of non-Batman characters, second half of the Lois Lane story, etc.) they still shouldn't have released this movie so shoddily cut like they did with BvS.
Batman V Superman Takes A Dive With -70% Second Weekend
- Thread starter Malyse
- Start date
- Status
Newsflash - I like comics and never thought the original Mandarin was a good villain so I liked the twist in IM3
Sorry to destroy your world view
Discotheque
Banned
The music and how concise the Wayne scene was is beautiful. Snyder knows how to cut a Montage. It shows in all the great trailers he puts out
The floating Bruce....Yeah fuck that. But it was a dream so whatever
And the metropolis sequence is on another level. After years of city shit in avengers 1/2 and man of Steel. Snyder flipped it on its head and gave us a superhero Cloverfield
Gordon Shumway
Banned
"Is she with you?" is already at a million views on YouTube (the highest one on the soundtrack) Gal was the only cast member of BvS at the DC Rebirth to receive loud cheering, and the amount of people who have reported their theatre flipping out at her entrance is constantly mentioned.
People like her.
People like her.
Again that was amazing! I wish the whole movie was on that level.
Indeed. It was fun and clever and fit in the movie. Killian wasn't great, but that's a completely different thing.
Iron Man 3 was great.
open_mouth_
insert_foot_
when they release the director's cut with the extra footage, someone with a good editing eye needs to edit that bad-boy into a slim 1hr 55min movie that could probably get 70+% on rotten tomatoes. Call it the anti-snyder cut.
It was a fantastic car commercial.
excelsiorlef
Member
BcS got me excited for two things, WW 2017 and Affleck Batman 20 whenever.
Justice League, meh whatever I'll see it for Wonder Woman and Batfleck.
MHWilliams
Member
Iron Man 3 > Age of Ultron = Batman v Superman > Thor 2
Primethius
Banned
Metropolis scene got ruined for me since I saw the commercial selling the Jeep using that very scene before the previews to the movie itself.
Like what the hell.
Like what the hell.
Discotheque
Banned
Good. Wonder Woman has never had a film. Somebody as iconic as that.....smh. I don't care if it's WOAT as long as it's a huge box office success. Would be nice if it's a good movie tho...
Prophet Steve
Member
True, I did enjoy that a lot.
Also Batman fighting the goons was a pretty good action sequence imo. Deaths notwithstanding. But good use of gadgets, well-framed, variety. So refreshing after the very shitty action with Nolan Batman.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Guess it's a good thing Malyse made this thread after all.
A film's narrative really should go in a straight line, beat to beat, and if there are branches they need to make sense or offer something different aside from the main plot - like levity or character building - and in that case it needs to be clear what the purpose of the scene(s) is/are. Films aren't novels, afterall. I'd say this is even more important for superhero movies aiming to score a billion dollars by casting a wide net.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in one of the other fifty BvS threads, but: I liked the film a lot while recognizing it clearly has problems that will turn off most movie goers (narrative and pacing, keeping in the theme of this post, being chief among them), and between this and MoS Snyder is clearly the wrong person to direct any more of these films or even engage them creatively. Put that man out to pasture, WB.
So what you're saying is, her movie's going to get ruined as part of the panicked response to BvS. Right?
Imagine still being this fucking mad at the Mandarin twist three years later
Mandarin Twist, Jobber Ultron and Edgar Wright are the 3 constant things people complain about.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Primethius
Banned
Damn you Bobby.
Manmademan
Member
you're cherry picking. There are a lot of movies that aren't "The Avengers" that somehow manage to be good, while not being humorless for the sake of being humorless. Is Spider Man 2 somehow a shitty movie because parker cracks jokes? Is Rises the better movie because everyone's wearing a frown?
And the shawarma scene is an odd bit of business to call out, since the scene was a totally silent scene of people eating food. It's funny to the audience because its exactly what would happen afterwards, but is rarely actually seen.. it's a humanizing moment.
And you're also way off in the treatment of "death and destruction", since the aftermath of the new york incident is explored at length with Tony having PTSD because of the whole thing in Iron Man 3 and Crime lords exploiting the rebuilding effort in Daredevil.
Banner is an international fugitive in AoU after wrecking an African country in a brawl, and quits the avengers largely because of it. There was no coming back for the Hulk after that.
The chaos from the sokolvia (sp?) incident itself is the entire point of Civil War. Jokes or not, all that mess had serious consequences.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Glad to see general audiences aren't completely stupid. I was worried this would do well and become another Transformers-style brainless series that everyone goes to see.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I like both films more the more I watched them. I will defend the 15 minutes on Hawleye's farm to the death.
Man of Steel is the one that ended all of its crazy destruction with jokes. Avengers ended with broadcasts all over the world debating over the Avengers, and then a shwarma scene to give the audience a little levity at the very end.
And then Iron Man 3 showed the hero experiencing PTSD from Avengers.
And then Winter Soldier showed Shield preparing to put the entire world under surveillance after Avengers.
And then BVS comes by, throws a bone to a loud criticism from Man of Steel at the beginning, then proceeds to top itself later, but not before cynically saying "well there are no innocents in the area" in order to justify itself.
In my eyes, BVS has shown itself to be the more childish film.
If only Edgar Wright had made Ultron.
see it also works as a joke about how all Marvel films are the same
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Depends on if its tone was "too serious" or not. If the word on reshoots for Suicide Squad is correct (and it likely is) then they're only going to fuck with Jenkins if Jenkins' hadn't already decided the tone needed to be lighter.
Then again, Diana's got that line in Batman v. Superman where she discusses walking away from all this "hero" stuff 100 years ago. Which is, coincidentally, exactly when her movie is set. So it kinda stands to reason the end of that film is going to be something that causes her to quit. So it can't be all that lighthearted/happy an ending.
I'm not ModBot.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
We really need an offsite chat to coordinate humiliating punishment avatars out of the mod's sight.
Also: Christ, it's amazing how many BvS threads end up becoming Iron Man 3 threads.
badcrumble
Member
I hate nearly every film ever made because they contain insufficient costumed hero action tbh
Big Green Anus
Member
How much did it made so far?
Mushroomer25
Member
I would've enjoyed the destruction opening if it hadn't been shot like a car commercial.
And by that I mean, they literally repurposed that exact scene for a car commercial.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Transformers movies prove general audiences can forgive a lot of a movies flaws if the movie is actually ENTERTAINING.
The entire middle half of BvS had me nodding off. For all of Bayformer's faults, there's never been a moment in them where I was bored.
……forgetit
Member
I mean I like the Mandarin as much as the next guy, but atleast that was intentional. Flipping the script to play with expectations is different than just not getting your character.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Parker cracks jokes but he's someone we get and see his troubles explored. Jokes in Spider-Man 2 are handled 1000x better and that's why no one considers them a negative for the series.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Heh..never seen it.
echoshifting
Banned
Nah, you're right, that bugged me too.
Jeeeeeeesus.
Jesus. I had no idea.
Don't want to sound morbid but inside the tower in 9/11 some people did do just that. In fact some we even told to stay inside the building.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/16/september11.usa3
Primethius
Banned
Yea, but everything's your fault in the end anyways.
Totally.
Edit: Yep, that damn commercial played before the movie for me. Completley ruined the scene in my watch.
This. The beginning wasn't anything special. The wayne montage with its awful pearls drapped over a gun then breaking apart when the gun fired was so masturbatory that i legit laughed at it.
Prophet Steve
Member
Yeah, I am much less bothered by Michael Bay movies as they aren't really try to be more than this. The movies are dumb and they don't strive to be more.
Try to tell a complicated story and to setup good character motivations there are many more things that you can do wrong.
They weren't trying to get comic Mandarin. He's intentionally a completely different character.
Snyder, on the other hand, insists he gets Superman and is doing him right.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I plead no contest.
Ultron I get, but there was no way they were gonna put OG Mandarin on screen. Same reason why they cast Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One.
Jack Remington
Banned
I really wish more people shared my opinion that BvS was awesome.
Frozenprince
Banned
If you had told me a decade ago that Captain America would be a bigger media property than Superman, I'd have laughed in your face.
Manmademan
Member
Avengers did 1.5 billion. AoU nearly as much, and the things wrong with the latter film weren't the jokes.
Yep. You will NEVVVVVVVVER get a chinese stereotype like classic mandarin or ming the merciless past international audiences again. The politics of filmmaking means that's likely one that's dead as a doornail.
echoshifting
Banned
Swear to god, hand on the bible, as I sat waiting for this to start I thought to myself "I hope I'm in Jack's camp on this one." I thought of you.
I had a similar experience with Dark Knight Rises. YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOW ME A FUCKING COMMERCIAL FOR YOUR FILM WHEN I AM IN THE THEATRE TO WATCH THAT SPECIFIC FILM.
(I also got a trailer for Force Awakens arriving on Sky, but that affected me less because the film is awesome and the advert didn't show that much)
- Status