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Nah they could have gotten away with it being in the second movie and it would be fine and make a lot of sense in the context of these films...the problem is we're waiting for the third now.
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Nah they could have gotten away with it being in the second movie and it would be fine and make a lot of sense in the context of these films...the problem is we're waiting for the third now.
excelsiorlef
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I do. Well more or less.
Gordon Shumway
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Horse bias tho..
Bobby Roberts
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I guess?
It's not as if a simple "okay, enough with the avatar photoshopping, guys" wouldn't have done it. (shrug)
What were you going to post?
Dash_Riprock
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Are we really still playing the "Snyder always planned this!" card?
Really?
When literally everything about BvS was a reaction to the shitstorm of criticisms about MoS?
I mean FFS they actually have Anderson Fucking Cooper on screen to tell us that all the buildings are empty. It could not have been more 4th wall if he said right afterward:
"Please buy directors cut! It will fix everything, I swear!"
Really?
When literally everything about BvS was a reaction to the shitstorm of criticisms about MoS?
I mean FFS they actually have Anderson Fucking Cooper on screen to tell us that all the buildings are empty. It could not have been more 4th wall if he said right afterward:
"Please buy directors cut! It will fix everything, I swear!"
Frozenprince
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I feel like the answer should always be "If you feel like you don't get a character enough, read a Mark Waid book about him/her."
I agree that he could have gotten away with it in a second movie but a good director would have done it in one. And even then I'm not saying that movie would have had to end with the perfect Superman but something a lot closer and a lot more interesting then what we got at the end of Man of Steel.
As much shit as I get for this, I think JMS did it better in his Earth One trilogy.
Bobby Roberts
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I can't think of an example where that advice doesn't work.
Frozenprince
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I agree with you, tbh.
I'v never read a single book of his, even ones I didn't like, where I didn't at least feel like the characters were themselves.
Guy just gets character writing.
We all deserve better, but with Snyder, this is all we are getting.
Horrible, awful piece of shit of a movie.
echoshifting
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MaineUPTDC
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I can agree with this
Snyder planned everything, he knew the films would be received this way but had the GUTS and VISION to take some heat short term so he could realize this epic character arc that will retroactively make everyone realize how amazing MOS and BvS are!
After two films I still haven't seen much of a character arc. BvS lasts 2,5 hours with lot's of talking and managed to barely contain any character development or insight to their reasoning. The characters waste way too many time not listening to each other or just repeating their points instead.
Pop-O-Matic
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IDK. I do remember someone mentioning that Snyder said during the promotion for Watchmen that one of the reasons he was drawn to that book was because he was constantly disappointed that superhero comics didn't have the heroes murdering or fucking anyone, so that ought to tell you how he's approaching this on some level...
excelsiorlef
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Touche
PhoncipleBone
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I guess. But that was a first I think. Shutting down the B.O. Thread for insanity.
echoshifting
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BvS shattering records and making new ones left and right
Yeah, no. Captain America is filled with self-doubt in both films. The Superman analogue is Thor, a guy who believes he's doing the right thing always and believes that even his evil brother is capable of redemption. It's just that the Thor films both do a disservice to the character and ignore how great Thor being happy and an Earth-based superhero would be.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Our thread was locked wut?
Where am I going to put my Divergent gifs
Where am I going to put my Divergent gifs
Manmademan
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You think superman never has self doubt? There isn't a laughing gif big enough for this one.
Still the best superhero trailer so far out of ALL of them. None of the MCU/DC/Nolan/Xmen trailers are as good as this one. I love it so much I downloaded it and save it on my PC lmao.
Gordon Shumway
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Kadayi
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I'm simply demonstrating the differential between the way these cinematic universes are constructed.
Even when the chips are down in the Marvel films, the writing never conveys the sense that the heroes themselves comprehend their mortality in any way.
I think people complain about Superman having self-doubt in MOS and BvS, and it's strange that they forget both Cap films have him filled with it. Yes the execution is better, but it's not like Superman done ala Cap removes part of the thing they find irritating about the character.
Nothing right now, but we usually get studio estimates starting around 10am (and rougher estimates before that) and the new thread doesnt go up until 12:30-1pm most weeks.
I also dont think most people in this thread are here to discuss box office numbers.
A evil Chinese business man with high tech rings is way to taboo
Folks need to stop getting their comics from the 50s
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
CloudyTuba
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Saying that Superman is more like Thor is really only comparing their surface characteristics rather than getting to the heart of the characters. At heart, Cap and Superman are way more similar. And Superman has plenty of self doubt.
Manmademan
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"Thor" was literally nothing but a movie about carefree invulnerable hero coming to grips with mortality (literally) and the consequences of his actions.
Sibersk Esto
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I find Snyder Superman irritating because he's a charisma-less stone golem with zero character agency.
SargerusBR
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Only for Flash and LoT. Arrow has gone to shit.
Really?
I'd say Thor and Superman share a lot. Both sent to Earth by their father, both Gods on a planet of humans, both consider Earth their home planet, both bond with the first Earth women they encounter, and both believe in the good of humanity despite every possible logic
Even modern Mandarin would probably be a risk for Marvel. The Dark Knight got banned in China entirely for that scene where Batman takes out Lau's goons.A evil Chinese business man with high tech rings is way to taboo
Folks need to stop getting their comics from the 50s
Frozenprince
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A evil Chinese business man with high tech rings is way to taboo
Folks need to stop getting their comics from the 50s
Bruh I get it that he's not a green guy with a Fu Manchu going "Hohoho Iron Man is twapped in my cwutches!" anymore
But China is the biggest INTL market and well.
"You are my mission"
"Then finish it, 'cause I'm with you 'til the end of the line"
That's his second movie by the way. In the first one he actually killed himself to save the world.
But sure, whatever you say.
Really, that's nuts. Glad WB didn't cave.
What about when Tony Stark went through a hole in space and then blacked out believing he was about to die which consequently led to PTSD being a recurring issue over two separate movies? Or Cap accepting death over fighting his friend in a movie that deals heavily with survivor's guilt? Or Rocket wailing like a baby because he thought Groot just died? Or Thor standing up to the Destroyer knowing he'd be surely killed? Ya know, most MCU films deal directly with the hero confronting their own mortality when you stop to think about it.
Sibersk Esto
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That's still surface level stuff. Superman is still the story of a man wanting to be a part of the world, while Thor is about how humans still matter even when they seem small compared to the vastness of say, Asgard. Superman has the secret identity, the relationship with his parents and the Daily Planet. Thor has the Viking lore and backdrop.
Manmademan
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so you've got nothing? good to know.
CloudyTuba
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Again most of the things you are bringing up are surface characteristics and not their true character. We're talking about their core, their essence, not their backstory.
To put it one simple way that is easy to understand, if Thor and Superman switched bodies you would notice a difference pretty quick in spite of them both being good dudes. If Thor and Cap switched bodies, it could go on for a while before anyone noticed.
Please don't take that example beyond it's intended demonstration and start getting into nitty gritty details like thor's speech patterns.
Dash_Riprock
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A evil Chinese business man with high tech rings is way to taboo
Folks need to stop getting their comics from the 50s
They put that onscreen and they can kiss the Chinese market goodbye.
Kadayi
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What's to say? You're clearly a rabid Marvel Fan who believes the MCU filmmakers can do no wrong, and are beyond censure.
You handwaved away my original comparison with some garbage about it being 'appropriate' to lighten the mood, even though the film was full of jokes already, power posted a bunch of generalized assertions, and then wilfully misinterpret mortality with regard to how I'm using it.
If you can't play straight, don't expect to be indulged.
Self-doubt that he eventually get's over when he realizes people depend on him. In the end, Cap is a simply a good man with unshakable ideals. Even without his powers/super serum or his costume, he's just inspiring to the people around him. You can see it in their faces--the look Maria Hill gives him during his speech in Winter Soldier. Even when finding out he essentially died for nothing, he doesn't dwell, he doesn't look inward. It affects him yes, but he doesn't mope for the next hour of the movie.
The films change a lot about Thor to be fair. Some of the Donald Blake stuff would actually work great in the films and mitigate a lot of their problems.
Cap is really one of the best done in MCU. Except I don't care about him and Peggy.
And I don't care about him and his friendship with Bucky.
besides that he was good in TWS and AOU I guess.
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