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[ReiGun]

That doesn't make Ant-man "flavor of the week". The character has been relatively popular for decades.

In the context of mainstream audiences, he could very well be. No one knew he Ant-Man was until his movie came. Where he stands in the long term remains to be seen.

Shouldn't even be on his radar, Rei..and it really doesn't change what an unnecessary comment that is. I'm gonna guess we disagree, but yeah..just how I see it.

It's little comment about how popular two characters are vs another character. He could just as easily have said a DC character like, I dunno, Blue Beetle and made the same point. He just picked a character who had a movie coming out.

But yeah, agree to disagree, I guess. I think it's a small thing, and the fact that it still gets brought up shows people are more sensitive about the MCU than they care to admit.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

You looked at the score, you spoiled yourself, and you expected nothing? No, you went in with a lot of negative preconceived notions, expected a shit movie, and that's what you got.

Plenty of people did the same, and loved it. Read this, and any one of the other threads..the bolded just isn't true.

 

[element]

Falls into the same category as the last couple Transformers films in my book. Good spectacle, entertaining, but is it a good movie? No. I'll probably pick it up in a sale on Blu-ray at some point.

I wouldn't even put it as entertaining. Transformers I could turn my brain off and just accept the explosions and simple guy meets good robots. guy's girl kidnapped by evil robots. guy and good robots go to rescue girl from evil robots.

BvS tried too hard in doing so actually making it a frustrating viewing.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I can agree with that at least. But honestly I felt the film needed streamlining, not bulking up.

Both imo, in certain scenes it needed more time, but there are also scenes that can be excised completely such as the Justice League tease.

 

[Vesmir]

I have a hard time believing an extra 30 minutes of shit is going to fix this film's issues. The problems are too big and glaring.

I hope the extended cut fixes the Junkie XL soundtrack.

 

[shem935]

A justice league tease would have been a perfect after credits scene IMO. Cut to WW opening her laptop and just let the whole scene play out.

 

[RDreamer]

Falls into the same category as the last couple Transformers films in my book. Good spectacle, entertaining, but is it a good movie? No. I'll probably pick it up in a sale on Blu-ray at some point.

That's almost the description I'd give for most of the Marvel movies I've seen. Decent to alright movies. Entertaining. Don't need to think. Definitely watch once. Probably don't need to buy.

BvS though was one I definitely want to pick up and watch again. I feel like it tries (and succeeds in my mind) to do more than the big popcorn flicks.

I hope the extended cut fixes the Junkie XL soundtrack.

Is there a way to make it more awesome?

 

[TAJ]

It was definitely better.

I still don't get the schism among some of the bigger film fans here regarding Iron Man 3. Most of the people who think it's a terrible movie unabashedly praise almost everything else Shane Black's ever had his hands on. This goodwill extends all the way to fucking MONSTER SQUAD.

Yet all that goodwill is willing to get chucked to the side, despite the fact Iron Man 3 is pretty much 100% Shane Black through and through, because the Mandarin isn't used like he was in the comics. And the Mandarin in the comics isn't all that fucking great to begin with. What Black did with him is the best thing that's ever happened to him.

It's not even a real twist if you don't know the character. To a casual viewer a terrorist leader turns out to be a terrorist figurehead. There's almost no difference. But if you're expecting freaky dragon-alien tech then it's like... "Oh Shane, you got me good.".

"sort of" my ass

Yeah, that was basically '30s Batman. It's why I don't even care that he kills people like it's nothing.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

The real sad part I've only just remembered is the WB docs that said they feared the film would be "too smart" for audiences?

Can WB not just recognise it as poorly structured and told? Cos if not then it's obvious WB doesn't know wtf they're doing.

 

[Manmademan]

I never understood the hate for that quote. I mean Ant-Man was way better than BvS but he's referring to Batman/Superman being more iconic which is true.

I'm just seeing it for the first time, but it's a ridiculously stupid quote.

Ant Man has been around since the 1960s, but has never been a popular character. NEVER. And marvel has tried, rebranding him into giant man and yellowjacket and god knows what else.

He's never been flavor of the anything, the character is unpopular, and saddled with a reputation from an unfortunate "wife beater" storyline from decades ago that makes it worse.

The name is terrible and many were writing off even seeing the movie because "ant man" sounds like a dumb thing to spend two hours watching in a theatre.

DESPITE this, Ant man was a critical and commercial success- because it was a legitimately good if not great movie. One of the best in the MCU, easily. People saw it and kept seeing it because it was enjoyable, not because there was some kind of "Ant Man" fad.

 

[kswiston]

Perhaps the extra 30 minutes will give people enough material to do an interesting fan edit.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

It's little comment about how popular two characters are vs another character. He could just as easily have said a DC character like, I dunno, Blue Beetle and made the same point. He just picked a character who had a movie coming out.

All I'm saying. Why compare your movie to one who's character isn't even at the same level. It makes it so that the thing you're arguing about happening? Yup, Happens. Like I've been saying to you and others for weeks, I just wanna watch the movies. This extra shit is just that..extra. I'd say it'll go away, but clearly everyone is committed to the war..

Spoiler

Someone say Martha already..sheesh..

 

[RDreamer]

The real sad part I've only just remembered is the WB docs that said they feared the film would be "too smart" for audiences?

Considering the stupid fucking questions being asked in the spoilers thread all the time, they might at least be partially right.

 

[BLACKLAC]

In the context of mainstream audiences, he could very well be. No one knew he Ant-Man was until his movie came. Where he stands in the long term remains to be seen.

By mainstream audiences you mean media?

Or do you mean in this current climate where mainstream audiences are the reason Ant-man is getting top billing in a titled sequel where as Superman is not.

 

[PreFire]

Every friend that called me after I saw it and asking if watching BvS was worth it was given the answer of "No, it's not". Most of them saw the poor reviews, but like me, wanted to give it my own opinion.. but this is one where the critics weren't wrong.

This is probably what happened with a lot of other people too, they called someone who watched it or the person who watched it posted something about it on social media. Like that annoying "this is my Lamborghini" guy in YouTube ads, he shitted on BvS big time on Instagram (my friend tagged me me). Moviegoers usually go in groups, so if one of the people in the circle decides not to go, the rest might follow.

I wanted this movie to be good lol. I hope

Spoiler

flash

changes everything by

Spoiler

traveling back in time

.

 

[Vesmir]

Is there a way to make it more awesome?

More Zimmer, way less Junkie

I liked the movie, flaws and all. It just took me out of it at times.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I'm just seeing it for the first time, but it's a ridiculously stupid quote.

Ant Man has been around since the 1960s, but has never been a popular character. NEVER. And marvel has tried, rebranding him into giant man and yellowjacket and god knows what else.

He's never been flavor of the anything, the character is unpopular, and saddled with a reputation from an unfortunate "wife beater" storyline from decades ago that makes it worse.

The name is terrible and many were writing off even seeing the movie because "ant man" sounds like a dumb thing to spend two hours watching in a theatre.

DESPITE this, Ant man was a critical and commercial success- because it was a legitimately good if not great movie. One of the best in the MCU, easily. People saw it and kept seeing it because it was enjoyable, not because there was some kind of "Ant Man" fad.

Thank God for Paul Rudd. Ant-Man would've been a pretty boring flick without him, and even with it still was an ok movie. Nothing I'd re-watch, but better than I expected.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Both imo, in certain scenes it needed more time, but there are also scenes that can be excised completely such as the Justice League tease.

THAT should have been released as the deleted scene, while the Lex one should have been in..

 

[SargerusBR]

China BO drop, 85%

It's fucking dead.

 

[3N16MA]

30 minutes of Alfred.

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

It's not even a real twist if you don't know the character. To a casual viewer a terrorist leader turns out to be a terrorist figurehead. There's almost no difference. But if you're expecting freaky dragon-alien tech then it's like... "Oh Shane, you got me good.".

Iron Man 3 was just trash all around. I've only seen it once and have no desire to watch it again, it's the most disappointing film I've seen in the last 5 years. The Mandarin was handled incredibly poorly, but more than that, it's just an incredibly DULL movie. The final 3rd and last action set piece are a disaster. Just a boring carousel of iron suits and shipping yard containers. It's the least exciting finale in recent memory. Then Tony's big "decision" at the end is undone as soon as Age of Ultron rolled around lol.

Batman V. Superman at least tried to be good. Has a better cast too.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Considering the stupid fucking questions being asked in the spoilers thread all the time, they might at least be partially right.

Or again maybe because it was poorly told?

This is going for the same demographics as MCU films and they never get so many complaints about storytelling.

 

[RDreamer]

More Zimmer, way less Junkie

I liked the movie, flaws and all. It just took me out of it at times.

I suppose on the whole I did like MoS's soundtrack better. I think I was just so giddy at the fact that Lex's music choice was so ridiculously fucking perfect for his character that I look pretty highly on the OST overall and how it fit with the movie.

That and the Wonder Woman song when it played at the big moment. Thought that was rad.

Or again maybe because it was poorly told?

This is going for the same demographics as MCU films and they never get so many complaints about storytelling.

Because none of the MCU films try and tell anything other than basic popcorn bullshit. You turn off your brain and don't really give a fuck what's going on.

Seriously, though, some of the questions in the spoilers thread are insane. Legit insane. People missing entire fucking parts of the movie in there. Shit that's explained perfectly two or even three times...

 

[Manmademan]

Thank God for Paul Rudd. Ant-Man would've been a pretty boring flick without him, and even with it still was an ok movie. Nothing I'd re-watch, but better than I expected.

I'd say casting and script were good across the board. The villain was kinda "blah" but everything else? great.

I enjoyed this way more than both avengers films, but winter soldier beats it out.

 

[kswiston]

30 minutes of Alfred.

I'd be up for that if we could also ditch 15-20 minutes of Lois.

 

[Fat4all]

Like that annoying "this is my Lamborghini" guy in YouTube ads, he shitted on BvS big time on Instagram (my friend tagged me me).

 

[PhoncipleBone]

30 minutes of Alfred.

Just have all the same events happen, but show them from Alfred's point of view.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

I saw this today with my GF...she fell asleep while I just sat there...angrily looking at the screen in disbelief.

I knew about the score, I even spoiled myself the worst stuff..I expected nothing and I was still dissapointed.

That was your problem. You should have set your expectations verrrryyy low, and then the movie would feel salvageable.

Also pretend that it's just another alternative DC universe.

 

[andythinkpad]

You looked at the score, you spoiled yourself, and you expected nothing? No, you went in with a lot of negative preconceived notions, expected a shit movie, and that's what you got.

How can you get spoiled for a superhero movie. It's a fucking superhero movie. Can you get spoiled for the ending of a six flag ride?

 

[Malvingt2]

So what is WB next move?

I mean I just don't like anything of this direction they took with these movies.. MoS and this..

 

[RDreamer]

How can you get spoiled for a superhero movie. It's a fucking superhero movie. Can you get spoiled for the ending of a six flag ride?

Well, if all you want is a six flag ride out of your movie I can see why you'd hate BvS...

 

[guek]

The thing about Snyder's Ant-Man comment is that while I doubt he intended anything malicious or insulting, that's still how it comes across. That's characteristic of Snyder trying to communicate and failing miserably. The guy has a hell of a tough time making his points in both his movies and his interviews.

 

[kswiston]

So what is WB next move?

I mean I just don't like anything of this direction they took with these movies.. MoS and this..

WB's next move is to see how Suicide Squad makes out. If that is a GOTG type hit for them, then there are more options going forward.

 

[Manmademan]

How can you get spoiled for a superhero movie. It's a fucking superhero movie. Can you get spoiled for the ending of a six flag ride?

come on bro

WB's next move is to see how Suicide Squad makes out. If that is a GOTG type hit for them, then there are more options going forward.

wouldnt hold my breath for that one

 

[Fat4all]

Well, if all you want is a six flag ride out of your movie I can see why you'd hate BvS...

 

[kswiston]

wouldnt hold my breath for that one

Harley is really popular with women, and the cast overall is way more diverse. I wouldn't be surprised to see Suicide Squad pull a more well rounded audience than BvS. Better legs isn't exactly going to be a challenge if the film isn't terrible.

 

[vinnygambini]

So what is WB next move?

Move forward with a Tarzan sequel.

 

[Bishop89]

I'm just seeing it for the first time, but it's a ridiculously stupid quote.

Ant Man has been around since the 1960s, but has never been a popular character. NEVER. And marvel has tried, rebranding him into giant man and yellowjacket and god knows what else.

He's never been flavor of the anything, the character is unpopular, and saddled with a reputation from an unfortunate "wife beater" storyline from decades ago that makes it worse.

The name is terrible and many were writing off even seeing the movie because "ant man" sounds like a dumb thing to spend two hours watching in a theatre.

DESPITE this, Ant man was a critical and commercial success- because it was a legitimately good if not great movie. One of the best in the MCU, easily. People saw it and kept seeing it because it was enjoyable, not because there was some kind of "Ant Man" fad.

Only reason for this is because its a MARVEL superhero movie.

You could get some obscure superhero , and it will still make 500+million just cause 'Marvel'.

 

[ReiGun]

All I'm saying. Why compare your movie to one who's character isn't even at the same level. It makes it so that the thing you're arguing about happening? Yup, Happens. Like I've been saying to you and others for weeks, I just wanna watch the movies. This extra shit is just that..extra. I'd say it'll go away, but clearly everyone is committed to the war.

Probably because he just picked a character who came to mind.

Like, people do shit like this all the time. lol Just say the first thing they can think of. It's only a big deal because people want it to be one since it helps fuel the "extra shit."

By mainstream audiences you mean media?


Or do you mean in this current climate where mainstream audiences are the reason Ant-man is getting top billing in a titled sequel where as Superman is not.

A character appearing in an SNL sketch decades ago doesn't mean they were super popular. I've seen that sketch and there were lots of characters in it that probably weren't popular in the mainstream at the time.

But whatever. There's never any arguing with you about this stuff, so you can have it.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Only reason for this is because its a MARVEL superhero movie.

You could get some obscure superhero , and it will still make 500+million just cause 'Marvel'.

And it was actually a good and fun flick.

 

[Manmademan]

Harley is really popular with women, and the cast overall is way more diverse. I wouldn't be surprised to see Suicide Squad pull a more well rounded audience than BvS. Better legs isn't exactly going to be a challenge if the film isn't terrible.

GoTG was one of those rare cases where EVERYTHING just came together in the right way, including incredible casting with chris pratt and bradley cooper, and quite possibly the best use of a soundtrack in a movie I've ever seen.

Guardians WAY overperformed and did Winter Soldier numbers when all things considered no one would have projected it hitting anywhere close to there. Realistically it should have done ant man numbers with a property no one had ever heard of and no ties to the rest of the MCU.

I can't see suicide squad coming together in the same way. I liked what I saw in the trailer, but the cast isn't as good.

 

[Fat4all]

Only reason for this is because its a MARVEL superhero movie.

You could get some obscure superhero , and it will still make 500+million just cause 'Marvel'.

So it's not because a lot of people think they are good movies?

 

[3N16MA]

WB's next move is to see how Suicide Squad makes out. If that is a GOTG type hit for them, then there are more options going forward.

SS and Wonder Woman are a go at this point. WB has to hope they receive positive reviews and do well at the BO.

They would have more breathing room if JL was a late 2018 film. They would have time to figure out if they want to drop Snyder or fast track a Batman solo film.

 

[3N16MA]

Only reason for this is because its a MARVEL superhero movie.

You could get some obscure superhero , and it will still make 500+million just cause 'Marvel'.

It was a decent film. Better than AoU.

 

[kswiston]

Only reason for this is because its a MARVEL superhero movie.

You could get some obscure superhero , and it will still make 500+million just cause 'Marvel'.

Ant-Man had the third best legs of all the MCU films after Guardians and Iron Man 1.

 

[Manmademan]

Only reason for this is because its a MARVEL superhero movie.

You could get some obscure superhero , and it will still make 500+million just cause 'Marvel'.

yeah, I don't buy this.

Kevin Feige and Marvel put a LOT of effort into the movies they put out. You can hate on AoU all you want, but Ant Man had great casting and a tight script DESPITE the problems they had on the director end.

they also go out of their way to build a coherent MCU that makes fans want to give properties they haven't heard of a decent shot. This is no small feat.

 

[element]

A justice league tease would have been a perfect after credits scene IMO. Cut to WW opening her laptop and just let the whole scene play out.

Agreed. The way the JL characters were introduced felt so forced. If they were to have done it turning Batman's big exit monolog with perhaps Bruce Wayne throwing down a manila with tons of paper work on each potential person to reach out too would have been great. I think they also could have provided more red herrings on where things will go. Where now it feels very locked into the directions that the story can go.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

But whatever. There's never any arguing with you about this stuff, so you can have it.

You meant "talking/debate" right? lol..Ain't trying to argue about anything, but ooookay! 😐

 

[Bishop89]

So it's not because a lot of people think they are good movies?

Im not saying its not a good film, but regardless if its good or not, Marvel has locked down that winning formula so no matter the quality, they will all be commercially successful.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Perfect visual representation of the Batman v Superman box office numbers: