Also they had parts where characters had motivations and there were places where one scene led logically into the next. That alone puts the Burton films pretty far above BvS on the list.
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Also they had parts where characters had motivations and there were places where one scene led logically into the next. That alone puts the Burton films pretty far above BvS on the list.
They're random amalgamations of scenes with little-to-no reason behind them beyond just being scenes someone wanted to make, no matter how poorly conceived or integrated into the plot they are.
We can talk about the influence they had on comic books being adopted into the mainstream, but on their own, they're rough sits.
SonicMegaDrive
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Batman and Batman Returns both shit on BvS from great heights.
ElBoxyBrown
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As Tim Burton movies there pretty good.
Honestly I would say The Crow had a bigger influence.
Bobby Roberts
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This is a description of Batman v Superman, and to a lesser extent, Man of Steel.
There are fairly basic, easy to follow motivations, actions, and plotlines in both Burton films.
It absolutely did not.
Oh yeah, this too. If the Burton films werent successful we'd likely not have Batman TAS and probably not have the entire DCAU
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CaviarMeths
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Other way around. Sony paid Marvel a licensing fee to use the character in each film. It was $20mil for Spider-Man 2 (10% of the total budget), not sure about other movies.
ElBoxyBrown
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It wasn't as huge as Burton's Batman but someone took notice of that movie.
Yep. If you were born in the 90s like me that's how you became fan of Superheros. I forgot but Fox had everything Batman and Marvel shows
Bobby Roberts
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People noticed it because it reminded them of Burton's Batman. And because its star was Bruce Lee's kid and he died.
As a movie it's kinda been forgotten. Partially due to the time it came out, partially due to the string of really shitty (mostly DTV) sequels that followed it up.
excelsiorlef
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Yep I mean shit they use the damn movie theme song.
Sting using the Crow gimmick in WCW did more to preserve The Crow's legacy than The Crow franchise did
True.
I love the Burton films. Mostly because the plot is barely existent, but he gets the characters so damn right. Bruce and Selina dancing at that masked event not wearing any masks because their civilian identities are their masks is some deep shit for a superhero film, especially given they never bring it up in dialogue or exposition, you have to actually think about it.
*And by get characters so damn right, I mean he sticks the landing with the character beats. Not that they are entirely faithful to the comics.
*And by get characters so damn right, I mean he sticks the landing with the character beats. Not that they are entirely faithful to the comics.
I love that scene. I also love the confused and scared reaction they get when they find out each other's secret.
I know, right? Plus Walken/Devito is the rare time when two villains in a superhero film work perfectly. Mostly because I don't think Burton directed them so much as he let them figure their shit out, because Walken takes that generic character and makes him so batshit weird that he fits perfectly into a gothic version of Gotham.
They are still better than any of the other batman movies released including any of nolan's and BVS.
Not really.
This is literally all of the Batman dream sequences and Justice League tie-ins with BvS
old manatee
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I wish they would bring Danny Devito's Penguin back. Probably the best Batman villain casting and these days he secretes his own makeup.
Jeffolation
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Batman 89 had those terrible Prince songs. On top of Nicholson being a bit of a middling antagonist that sort of relegates 89 to being strictly mid leaning on the lower tier end of things. Returns really does the Burton Batman thing so much better in really every aspect.
StopMakingSense
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All I really want is some henchmen on rollerblades, ya' know?
ThoseDeafMutes
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Returns is very questionable inclusion as a "good" movie. DeVito, Pfeiffer and Walken are all turning the cheese up to 11. The plot is goddamn insane. I see an extremely minimal difference between it and Batman Forever, they're both equally hammy and crazy the latter is just a bit more kid friendly and has fewer instances of the villain(s) sexually harassing people.
IchigoSharingan
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as if cocaine era Batman wasn't obvious enough
Time for my Seal joke...
How is Seal's career like Leonardo DiCaprio?
They both sank after a kiss from a rose
Not really. The "Knightmare sequence" could have been far less of a head-scratcher if the Flash thing contextualized it better. If Flash literally just appeared right behind Bruce in the cave, gave the same vague spiel, then grabbed Bruce for a quick second, either knocking him back or shocking him, you could brush the sequence aside as just "Well Bruce got exposed to the Speed Force and briefly saw his future or something". Then Bruce wakes up, Flash is gone, and he's confused as fuck. It's not seamless, but it makes for a far more logical order of events.
As for the Justice League videos, the Flash and Aquaman ones aren't the worst (though the way the Aquaman one is filmed is hilariously bad. Dude looks like he just woke up drunk and tries stabbing the light because he's pissed...). The Cyborg one is by far the biggest "wtf". If Darkseid is coming, you could've easily saved that for that movie. The dumbest thing is that Lex apparently got some art department to design logos for all these guys...
ThoseDeafMutes
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It would have had a big impact on what Bruce did in the subsequent scenes if it wasn't filmed as a dream. He would have been like "holy shit alfred did you just FUCKING SEE THAT? A man appeared in the bat cave out of a portal and told my some cryptic shit wtf is going on?" It would have necessitated further exploration by the characters, whereas when it's a dream they can just continue the movie's plot like it never happened while also referencing it later. The fact that they did it like this makes me inclined to believe it was some kind of late inclusion or that the story writers had a really difficult time trying to include it without it dominating the plot so they just said fuck it we'll do a dream.
The problem with it as depicted is
a) It's going to require some pretty stretched explanations to have it make sense in the next movie. Why did he fall asleep straight after? Or does Flash have dream powers now?
b) It makes it feel very out of place and confuses the audience.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Okay people defending Batman and Robin and in the same breath ranking Batman v Superman the worst batman film ever tells me all I need to know about this thread...moving on from this insanity.
It'd have been drastically more affecting if Bruce was the one we see watching the videos, and he sees the Flash's lighting effect or whatever, and he goes "WAIT A FUCKING SECOND..." If anything, it might've given credence to his vision of the future, and reinforced his decision to actively try and kill Superman himself.
ye, hard to take these guys seriously.
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Well, not saying one is better/worse than the other, but Batman & Robin can be argued to have accomplished what it set out to do, while BvS barely had an idea of what it wanted to be.
I don't know that Batman and Robin being a hollow toy nonsensical toy commercial is something that should be commended... Everyone except for Uma Thurman sucks in that movie.
Batman v Superman, however badly it fell on its face, atleast tried. Frustratingly and disappointingly so, but what this movie could've been is atleast one revised script away from what we got. I'd rather go with the movie that seemingly had an interest in asking some compelling ideas than a trash-heap nobody wanted to make.
kittoo
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This kinda explains why he just doesnt get Superman.
Damn Nolan, why did you have to choose this guy?!
It really does explain Snyder's bizarrely detached reaction to the talk about the destruction in Man of Steel. It's just a numbers game to him - not a matter of intent or selflessness, or social responsibility. When he points to Force Awakens and goes "but they killed more people! Look! The numbers are highter!", he doesn't see emotional context.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I mean, she does what she sets out to acomplish, which is to out-ham Arnold. So I suppose it is an impressive performance in that sense. The only good acting in the film though is the small character moments shared between Alfred and Bruce, which are like, surprisingly well done considering the insane schlock that every other scene in the film offers. They're like scenes out of an unrelated film that somehow found their way in.
Candescence
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The only thing CGI on the metal suit were the arms, last I heard. Maybe pieces of the leg.
And what was CGI on the regular suit? The cape maybe, to allow it to flow better with movement in action scenes?
Counterpoint: who says no when the motherfucking BATMAN walks in and asks for a $7 million credit card with no expiration date? Like, the people working at financial institutions aren't typically ripped.
Uwe could have achieved the same RT score on a $50 mil budget. That's a $200 mil savings for the same result!
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