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[KonradLaw]

Announcing 10 films off the strength of Man of Steel was always a dumb move from a fan backlash perspective.

Marvel/Disney at least made sure their stuff was profitable before going all out with announcements of 4+ years worth of future films.

Even with MoS and BvS those future movies are still a lot closer to sure bet than anything else WB might invest in. Worst case scenario they will adjusts the budgets

 

[CaviarMeths]

In Kevin Tsujihara's voicemail inbox:

"Hey, it's Kevin Feige. Just uh... well, I feel bad. I know you're not open to selling or anything, but we'd be willing to do a Superman movie for you guys, no strings. You put up the budget and distribute, we'll produce it. I'm sure you guys can handle things from there. Anyway, let me know, you have my number. Bye."

 

[Staf]

There's a growing chance that the first onscreen appearance of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman together in a single film will fail to top Guardians of the Galaxy domestically.

I am Groot.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

In Kevin Tsujihara's voicemail inbox:

"Hey, it's Kevin Feige. Just uh... well, I feel bad. I know you're not open to selling or anything, but we'd be willing to do a Superman movie for you guys, no strings. You put up the budget and distribute, we'll produce it. I'm sure you guys can handle things from there. Anyway, let me know, you have my number. Bye."

This really deserves its own thread.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

He's talking domestic. Which has been a boring stat post-Cameron movies tbh

Bullshit.

 

[NumberTwo]

I am Groot.

You said it, buddy.

 

[kswiston]

Even with MoS and BvS those future movies are still a lot closer to sure bet than anything else WB might invest in. Worst case scenario they will adjusts the budgets

If Wonder Woman disappoints financially, do you really think they will go ahead with Cyborg? What's a pay-or-play contract for someone like Ray Fisher going to be? $500k?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You know it'd be ballsy if WB threw in a quick self-deprecating jab in the Lego Batman Movie. I loved that the whole "darkness song" was a hilarious lampoon of the deathly serious Batman origin.

Pretty sure it's already in there.

If Wonder Woman disappoints financially, do you really think they will go ahead with Cyborg? What's a pay-or-play contract for someone like Ray Fisher going to be? $500k?

Cyborg's probably already toast.

 

[KonradLaw]

In Kevin Tsujihara's voicemail inbox:

"Hey, it's Kevin Feige. Just uh... well, I feel bad. I know you're not open to selling or anything, but we'd be willing to do a Superman movie for you guys, no strings. You put up the budget and distribute, we'll produce it. I'm sure you guys can handle things from there. Anyway, let me know, you have my number. Bye."

This doesn't make much sense. It's not like Marvel single heroes movies do a lot better than MoS did. At most you could maybe count on smaller marketing effort.

 

[yankeehater]

In Kevin Tsujihara's voicemail inbox:

"Hey, it's Kevin Feige. Just uh... well, I feel bad. I know you're not open to selling or anything, but we'd be willing to do a Superman movie for you guys, no strings. You put up the budget and distribute, we'll produce it. I'm sure you guys can handle things from there. Anyway, let me know, you have my number. Bye."

No!

 

[Jigorath]

Cyborg's probably already toast.

I don't know why it's not a Teen Titans movie.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Yeah, Cyborg is already toast I think. Maybe they can stop trying to make Cyborg happen now.

I don't know why it's not a Teen Titans movie.

Ditto

 

[KonradLaw]

If Wonder Woman disappoints financially, do you really think they will go ahead with Cyborg? What's a pay-or-play contract for someone like Ray Fisher going to be? $500k?

Cyborg probably not. But as you've said it's so far away that canceling it wouldn't be costly. The movies that might be affected by BvS flopping are much closer by, but they're still far more likely to make money for WB than anything else they could get with exception of Potter spin-of.

WB hasn't exactly been lighting the boxoffice on fire recently. People might say annoucing 4 years of movies was risky, but compared to financing another Wachowski's bomba or similiar movies it's really not.

 

[CaviarMeths]

This doesn't make much sense. It's not like Marvel single heroes movies do a lot better than MoS did. At most you could maybe count on smaller marketing effort.

Marvel's single heroes were well-received enough and generated enough goodwill to make Avengers a $1.5bil movie.

 

[guek]

Do we have an estimated budget for Wonder Woman?

People often forget that despite taking awhile to become the boxoffice juggernaut it is today, phase 1 films of the MCU all had budgets between $140-160M with the exception of Avengers.

 

[Son Of D]

If Wonder Woman disappoints financially, do you really think they will go ahead with Cyborg? What's a pay-or-play contract for someone like Ray Fisher going to be? $500k?

Cyborg is probably on thin-ice at the moment. The best case scenario is probably a budget cut.

This doesn't make much sense. It's not like Marvel single heroes movies do a lot better than MoS did. At most you could maybe count on smaller marketing effort.

Well Guardians, Thor 2 and Captain America had budgets of $170m compared to MoS's $225m budget. Iron Man 2 and 3 are the only solo movies that had $200m+ budgets. So even if MoS made the same amount it didn't make as much profit as the solo MCU movies did.

 

[KonradLaw]

Marvel's single heroes were well-received enough and generated enough goodwill to make Avengers a $1.5bil movie.

MoS being great wouldn't change much for BvS. People still went like crazy to it in the opening. It dropped like rock because it was bad movie and had bad word of mouth. I don't see many people saying "yeah,everybody is saying BvS is utter trash, but MoS was decent, so I will go see it anyway".

Marvel could probably bring BvS to Avengers like numbers, but Supes in his solo movie? Nah. No way.

 

[Raptor]

In Kevin Tsujihara's voicemail inbox:

"Hey, it's Kevin Feige. Just uh... well, I feel bad. I know you're not open to selling or anything, but we'd be willing to do a Superman movie for you guys, no strings. You put up the budget and distribute, we'll produce it. I'm sure you guys can handle things from there. Anyway, let me know, you have my number. Bye."

Response to Kevin Feige:

"ummhh how about no? we dont want to make safe ass boring shit, but t hanks tho, enjoy the billions"

 

[guek]

Response to Kevin Tsujihara:

"ummhh how about no? we dont want to make safe ass boring shit, but t hanks tho, enjoy the billions"

Isn't one of the biggest complaints about BvS that it's boring?

 

[Kusagari]

Cyborg was always on the bubble regardless.

I still expect Flash and Aquaman to go through as planned. Green Lantern, who knows.

 

[-griffy-]

I am Groot.

We are Groot.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

In Kevin Tsujihara's voicemail inbox:

"Hey, it's Kevin Feige. Just uh... well, I feel bad. I know you're not open to selling or anything, but we'd be willing to do a Superman movie for you guys, no strings. You put up the budget and distribute, we'll produce it. I'm sure you guys can handle things from there. Anyway, let me know, you have my number. Bye."

Feige could end doing All Star Superman as a movie.


;_;

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Response to Kevin Tsujihara:

"ummhh how about no? we dont want to make safe ass boring shit, but t hanks tho, enjoy the billions"

And yet the most damning thing that can be said about BvS is that its boring.

Films don't tank 69% in their 2nd weekend if the audience is at least enjoying themselves.

 

[guek]

Huh, google tells me Saïd Taghmaoui, who is in Wonder Woman, said in an interview that the budget was $300M. Maybe that's the production + marketing budget?

 

[Replicant]

And yet the MCU films have done a horrible job showing that Cap/.Tony are actually friends. We're told it, but we're never shown it. So the 'you chose Bucky over me' stuff is just weird as fuck... unless the point is Tony's delusional; as fuck.

It's like you don't have friends or don't understand how friendship works.

There are multitude levels of friendships and after all of the battles they went through together, it's fair for Tony to feel camaraderie and sense of friendship with Cap. After all, Cap did look happy when Tony survive the battle in New York, he was also happy enough to show up at Tony's party, etc.

The level of friendship on Cap's part may not be as tense as what Tony feels for him but it's there. They are close enough friends to the point that they hang out together beyond doing their job. Friendship is rarely equal in the beginning and even at a later stage. Sometimes it eventually balances out and sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't mean the feelings are not there.

What we see here is when old friendship rears its head and the shared histories between two old friends are a lot stronger than the new friendship between two people. It's not surprising the new friend feels shafted. It has happened in real life and it's nothing shocking.

 

[kswiston]

Cyborg probably not. But as you've said it's so far away that canceling it wouldn't be costly. The movies that might be affected by BvS flopping are much closer by, but they're still far more likely to make money for WB than anything else they could get with exception of Potter spin-of.

WB hasn't exactly been lighting the boxoffice on fire recently. People might say annoucing 4 years of movies was risky, but compared to financing another Wachowski's bomba or similiar movies it's really not.

My point is that there was no real reason to announce so many movies so many years in advance, other than to preempt or counter Disney doing the same in Fall 2014 (I don't remember which conference happened first).

In general announcing films and bookmarking release dates 5 years in advance is pointless. Especially for an untested cross-film universe.

EDIT: All they did is set themselves up for fan disappointment if their roadmap needs scrapping or altering.

 

[Son Of D]

Huh, google tells me Saïd Taghmaoui, who is in Wonder Woman, said in an interview that the budget was $300M. Maybe that's the production + marketing budget?

Has to be. Can't see them giving a solo movie $50m more than BvS.

 

[kswiston]

Monday actual for BvS is $3.19M.

 

[LosDaddie]

Announcing 10 films off the strength of Man of Steel was always a dumb move from a fan backlash perspective.

Marvel/Disney at least made sure their stuff was profitable before going all out with announcements of 4+ years worth of future films.

It was so obvious WB is purposely trying to build their CU in the exact opposite manner Marvel did.

 

[broncobuster]

My point is that there was no real reason to announce so many movies so many years in advance, other than to preempt or counter Disney doing the same in Fall 2014 (I don't remember which conference happened first).

In general announcing films and bookmarking release dates 5 years in advance is pointless. Especially for an untested cross-film universe.

EDIT: All they did is set themselves up for fan disappointment if their roadmap needs scrapping or altering.

Technically, WB leaked out first. WB's DC road map was for investors. SDCC July 2015 is when they publicly unveiled the plans.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Monday actual for BvS is $3.19M.

What would be a "good" (for lack of a better word) 3rd weekend gross for BvS at this point???

 

[vinnygambini]

Wonder Woman will flop if it keeps that date and the Hollywood narrative will be audiences don't want female driven protagonists.

It's sad as I'm positive it'll be a better film than BvS.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Whats the mood at the DC Movie Subreddit currently?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Wonder Woman will flop if it keeps that date and the Hollywood narrative will be audiences don't want female driven protagonists.

It's sad as I'm positive it'll be a better film than BvS.

And then Captain Marvel will come out and everyone will be "a buh a buh a buh" who gives a rip seriously

 

[KonradLaw]

My point is that there was no real reason to announce so many movies so many years in advance, other than to preempt or counter Disney doing the same in Fall 2014 (I don't remember which conference happened first).

In general announcing films and bookmarking release dates 5 years in advance is pointless. Especially for an untested cross-film universe.

EDIT: All they did is set themselves up for fan disappointment if their roadmap needs scrapping or altering.

I think they announced Cyborg solely to have a black superhero movie on horizon. From the initial line up that's the only one that seems like it might be canceled because of BvS. Altough I doubt they will make any choices untill JL.

Still, even if it gets canceled I doubt most people will care, especially if they replace him other black hero (GL maybe?). Plus tepid reactions to putting Sandman and Justice League Dark into development hell makes me think fans get pretty quickly over dissapoitments like those.

 

[guek]

It was so obvious WB is purposely trying to build their CU in the exact opposite manner Marvel did.

Y'know what would have been totally awesome as well as markedly different from Marvel's approach?

If WB had committed to the comicbook superhero concept even MORE than Marvel did and have their world be one already filled with superheroes and powered people like they are in their animated works. Rather than interjecting heroes into a facsimile of the real world, make it a world of heroes from the start.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Whats the mood at the DC Movie Subreddit currently?

I assume something like this:

 

[Discotheque]

Y'know what would have been totally awesome as well as markedly different from Marvel's approach?

If WB had committed to the comicbook superhero concept even MORE than Marvel did and have their world be one already filled with superheroes and powered people like they are in their animated works. Rather than interjecting heroes into a facsimile of the real world, make it a world of heroes from the start.

they seem to be doing exactly that with the villains at least for suicide squad and batman with his 20 years of history.

 

[Raptor]

And yet the most damning thing that can be said about BvS is that its boring.

Films don't tank 69% in their 2nd weekend if the audience is at least enjoying themselves.

Well people enjoyed a lot Avengers/TFA when they first saw it and maybe the second time too but that doesnt mean the movie aint a straight up boring safe ass shit with not a single risk taken in any aspect of the movie itself.

Yet those movies made billions, point being my "" at the end of my post.

lol.

 

[vinnygambini]

And then Captain Marvel will come out and everyone will be "a buh a buh a buh" who gives a rip seriously

Captain Marvel is a 2019 film. Many things can change in Hollywood.

 

[broncobuster]

It was so obvious WB is purposely trying to build their CU in the exact opposite manner Marvel did.

Believe it or not that's been WB's plan since around 2008. Justice League Mortal was meant to establish all the characters to be spun off.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I assume something like this:

Half that, half

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Isn't one of the biggest complaints about BvS that it's boring?

But it's unsafe boring shit! like spamming SRKs in a fight against Tokido.

Y'know what would have been totally awesome as well as markedly different from Marvel's approach?

If WB had committed to the comicbook superhero concept even MORE than Marvel did and have their world be one already filled with superheroes and powered people like they are in their animated works. Rather than interjecting heroes into a facsimile of the real world, make it a world of heroes from the start.

noddinglikeTribeCalledQuestjustcameon.gif

 

[kswiston]

they seem to be doing exactly that with the villains at least for suicide squad and batman with his 20 years of history.

Which sort of makes that secret metahumans angle in BvS look silly unless Killer Croc and a few of the more out there villains in Suicide Squad sprung up recently.

 

[guek]

they seem to be doing exactly that with the villains at least for suicide squad and batman with his 20 years of history.

I hope so but they certainly haven't set that up in their movies thus far. Plus in the first SS trailer, Waller notes that powered people only started showing up after Superman appeared.

 

[Slayven]

There's a growing chance that the first onscreen appearance of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman together in a single film will fail to top Guardians of the Galaxy domestically.

stop, I can only laugh so much

WB has 6 days to do something about Justice League before it starts shooting.

The clock is ticking.

last time there was a JL movie about to shoot, they canceled it

I've heard both JL Nail gns were good. I will track them down.

They are great

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The level of friendship on Cap's part may not be as tense as what Tony feels for him but it's there. They are close enough friends to the point that they hang out together beyond doing their job. Friendship is rarely equal in the beginning and even at a later stage. Sometimes it eventually balances out and sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't mean the feelings are not there.

What we see here is when old friendship rears its head and the shared histories between two old friends are a lot stronger than the new friendship between two people. It's not surprising the new friend feels shafted. It has happened in real life and it's nothing shocking.

Cap says very affectionately "I'm going to miss you Tony" at the end of Age of Ultron. Of course they are friends.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

But it's unsafe boring shit! like spamming SRKs in a fight against Tokido.

The term safe/unsafe are starting to feel like meaningless quantifiers

 

[Azerth]

Wonder Woman will flop if it keeps that date and the Hollywood narrative will be audiences don't want female driven protagonists.

It's sad as I'm positive it'll be a better film than BvS.

just looked to see what was coming out with it and ya they need to move it.
Kingsman 2 the week before, transformers 5 same week, despicable me 3 and if it still comes out the uncharted movie

 

[NumberTwo]

Y'know what would have been totally awesome as well as markedly different from Marvel's approach?

If WB had committed to the comicbook superhero concept even MORE than Marvel did and have their world be one already filled with superheroes and powered people like they are in their animated works. Rather than interjecting heroes into a facsimile of the real world, make it a world of heroes from the start.

Why is it that we can figure this shit out but they can't? This shit ain't hard, man!