There's no reason to believe Civil War will review as poorly as Batman v Superman, though.
Wkd Box Office 0401-0316 - BvS has 'worse legs than Barbara Gordon' -- Sibersk Esto
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The shoehorned Justice League stuff is a part of the reason why BvS is a mess though.
Because I enjoy this comparison - BvS' 2nd Monday is ~33% lower than Zootopia's, at $4.6m.
It's also lower than Zootopia's 3rd and 4th Mondays (though that last one was the day after Easter). Zootopia opened to $75m.
It's also lower than Zootopia's 3rd and 4th Mondays (though that last one was the day after Easter). Zootopia opened to $75m.
Bobby Roberts
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True, but it's that they executed it poorly, not that they dared to put those characters in the movie at all.
Again - this is a standard we hold superheroes to that we would never think to apply to any other film featuring an ensemble cast. Superheroes aren't so hard to understand that you have to be any more or less careful with introducing one into a fictional universe (that already has superheroes, by the way) than you would with any other character.
I mean, you still have to be careful, but people act like the mere fact someone superpowered is entering a story demands the sort of caution and explanation that only a half-hour to an hour of storytelling can provide.
It's not at all true. I was goofing around on twitter yesterday and people were applying this mode of thought to well-regarded ensemble films.
Nashville: Origins
Dawn of a Death at a Funeral
An Early Chill
Burr: Before Hamilton
Pedestal: A Frank TJ Mackey Story
It's kinda ridiculous.
Mr. Poolman
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Oh I doubt it will, but my hardcore DC friends will see a conspiration against BvS.
Those shady Marvel-bought critics
PhoncipleBone
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I would watch Dawn of Death at a Funeral.
Agreed
You need friends that are not from r/DC_Cinematic.
Jawmuncher
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It's crazy to think that Dinosaurs (Jurassic World) atm is bigger than DC super heroes.
Bobby Roberts
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Also, looking at some theater scheduling for the coming weekend, and so far as I can tell, a couple chains here in town (nationals, not indie/locals) have definitely scheduled less screens for Batman v Superman this weekend. In some cases by about 3 shows per day.
Father_Brain
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Tsujihara et al. can't keep doing this forever, can they?
I know it occasionally gets us films like Fury Road, but telling directors "here's a nine-figure budget, go wild" isn't much of a strategy as far as ROI goes.
Jesus, looking at BOM, BvS's $3.1M Monday is lower than nearly every single day earning of Zootopia during its run so far (only Zootopia's 4th Wednesday is lower). Do we know how much Zootopia made yesterday?
Interfectum
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My point for Civil War is we've had multiple movies through the years seeing tension build between Captain America and Iron Man. There's a history there, between the characters and actors. This movie will be a huge payoff for that.
Batman vs Superman should have taken place after multiple Justice League movies and them working together. Give the characters and actors time to develop chemistry so the writer and director can twist and fuck with it. In the comic world, Batman vs. Superman fighting should be a huge, climatic, third act event. Marketing wise it really can't be topped by DC, IMO. Wonder Woman and Justice League aren't going to have NEAR the hype of something like this.
Not yet. Should be out in the next hour. Will probably be <$2m given Sunday.
I wonder if today's box office will be deflated by the home release of The Force Awakens. Discount Tuesday should help, but there are going to be a lot of households watching Star Wars tonight instead of going out.
Taking a look at the dailies for Man of steel, I think it is fairly probable that BvS fails to outgross the remainder of Man of steel's run going forward. BvS might have an edge on the next weekend or two but that wont be enough to overcome the weekday deficit.
Man of Steel made another $81M after its second weekend.
Man of Steel made another $81M after its second weekend.
Sounds like BvS will struggle to beat Guardians. At this point, Suicide Squad beating it in the DOM BO wouldn't be too far fetched.
Well now that its pretty much a certainty that Deadpool will top it, we can move on to BvS vs Spider-Man 3.
Bobby Roberts
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My problem with this idea is that by the time they're working together for three or four movies, there's no fucking way they actually fight each other. You almost have to have them fighting each other early.
Miller only got that scenario to work because a) it was an elseworlds story and b) he turned Superman into a fucking stooge for Reagan.
Followup Batman vs Superman fights in comics almost always rely on mind controlled Superman or some dystopia reality where Lois is killed.
BronsonLee
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Yeah, Civil War really only works because Stark is a molten level asshole and Cap's NEVER liked him
Sibersk Esto
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They were FRIENDS Bronson :'(
PhoncipleBone
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I still hate the idea behind Injustice.
Kingdom Come did it better.
BronsonLee
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Tony has no idea what a friend is
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, I think the second most cited example of Batman fighting Superman is Hush, right?
(which isn't that good, really. You could take out all the word balloons and as a collection of wordless Jim Lee pinups it ends up maintaining more or less the same quality)
Me too but the comic adaptation was surprisingly great.
I hate the tired "Lois' death makes Superman evil" trope though. It's been done way too many times and actually speaks poorly of Superman's character.
I doubt they can claim that. When Civil War out likely grosses it will the audience be paid off as well?
Pai Pai Master
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It's why Civil War doesn't work as a 616 book but it's fine for MCU characters to still have a bit of mistrust in each other.
I can see the people behind #SupportDCFilms already getting their "You are all sheep" speeches ready when/if CW outgrosses BvS.
BronsonLee
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And they're setting it up so hard
Sibersk Esto
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I like Grant Morrison's Justice League run, but the absolute most bullshit plot point in the entire run was when Superman killed himself in the alternate Rock of Ages future because Lois died, basically condemning earth.
PhoncipleBone
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Hush was a bad story used as an excuse to get Jim Lee to draw every Batman villain he wanted to.
Still better than him becoming a despot. And it did give us the badass Green Arrow/Atom team up to kill Darkseid.
Say what you want about Age of Ultron, but one thing it did was adequately point the finger of blame at Stark which may have been part of the rift buildup to lead into this. I'm not a comic book guy so I have no idea if it's built in the same way it was in the comics.
Civil War was a Mark Millar comics. A superhero group was acting like assholes and got themselves and a school full of kids (for the edgy shock) blown up by a villain whose fight they were taping for a TV show. Then everyone in the Marvel universe proceeded to act like assholes for 7 issues. Add in cynical oneliners, hamfisted allusions to Bush era American policy and splash pages.
And yet the MCU films have done a horrible job showing that Cap/.Tony are actually friends. We're told it, but we're never shown it. So the 'you chose Bucky over me' stuff is just weird as fuck... unless the point is Tony's delusional; as fuck.
BenjaminBirdie
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>>cue somber piano theme<
Pai Pai Master
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Civil War in the comics was a massive character assassination of Tony Stark. It was intended to be an Ultimate storyline which could have worked because that version of the Avengers had characters who were still relatively new to one another. When Marvel decided it should be a flagship 616 Event instead is when it became fundamentally incompatible with the characters it was pitting against one another.
In the MCU they have naturally built up to Civil War in a way that is making it very satisfying to behold. The rift between Steve and Tony has been building from the beginning despite them growing closer as friends, they still clearly disagree on the politics of Avenging.
"I don't know why my father ever looked up to that guy."
"Everything special about you came out of a bottle."
"Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die. Every time."
They're handling this far better than the comics ever could have.
It did, right up until they bottled the ending, which was weak.
Not really. If you save the world a few times together you'll bond. We've seen Iron Man defer to Cap in the first Avengers when they're fighting off the alien army invasion. In Age of Ultron you see Tony joking with everyone regarding Cap's objection to strong language.
The party scene and playful teasing in AoU clearly shows all of the Avengers are friends. Tony and Steve aren't BFFs or anything but they're obviously more than just work colleagues.
Internationally Dinosaurs are as big as Star Wars lol.
The drop off for BvS must be hurting cinemas, for them Jungle Book probably can't get here soon enough.
I wonder what they spent on that Ratchet and Clank movie. Early tracking has it coming in as a non-event. Maybe sub $10M opening.
Jurassic Park came out 15 years before The Dark Knight, and didn't make much less worldwide.
Jurassic Park came out 15 years before The Dark Knight, and didn't make much less worldwide.
I feel like this would have been a perfect time for Fox to do a Deadpool reexpansion with some new marketing spots poking fun at BvS. Maybe that'd be too mean spirited though.
#shillgate!
Man Zootopia continues Disney's impressive animated streak. They have been killing it in quality and the box office.
The funniest thing about it, is that if I recall correctly not long ago before Civil War happens Tony was fighting against a very similar bill, but for Mutants. and then
CIVIL WAR
Krauser Kat
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Tonys Arc After civil war is fantastic though and was great throughout the end of fractions run on it.
KonradLaw
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Superman beating poor Green Arrow to death with his bare fists in Injustice is one of the best DC comics moments of last few years though.
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