A 63% drop in 1997 would be like a 75% drop today.
The Lost World was considered a one week wonder back then, and it had a opening weekend multiplier that was higher than Jurassic World's.
Wkd Box Office 0401-0316 - BvS has 'worse legs than Barbara Gordon' -- Sibersk Esto
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A 63% drop in 1997 would be like a 75% drop today.
The Lost World was considered a one week wonder back then, and it had a opening weekend multiplier that was higher than Jurassic World's.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
SUPERMAN RETURNS:
The opening credits were really cool.
The plane rescue was pretty cool.
Superman getting shot in the eye was pretty cool.
It was pretty pretty, too.
Everything else overwrought. And boring.
Also they fucked up the costume.
Variety actually posted an article today specifically about that. Also a surprise: The opening paragraph mentioned adjusting for inflation, and then followed it up by explaining why adjusting for inflation is fucking dumb.
Eyes about fell out of my head.
The opening credits were really cool.
The plane rescue was pretty cool.
Superman getting shot in the eye was pretty cool.
It was pretty pretty, too.
Everything else overwrought. And boring.
Also they fucked up the costume.
Variety actually posted an article today specifically about that. Also a surprise: The opening paragraph mentioned adjusting for inflation, and then followed it up by explaining why adjusting for inflation is fucking dumb.
Eyes about fell out of my head.
BattleMonkey
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Its not just lack of action though, but boring action. Pretty much every action sequence is resolved by Superman lifting things. Oh no plane falling out of sky.... Supes picks it up and lifts to safety. Daily Planet is falling on ppl... oh there he is again catching shit. He ends the friggin movie "dying" lifting things
Do you have a link to the article? I wouldn't mind reading it when I have a chance later this evening.
Bobby Roberts was right
Well I didn't think it was that boring, I just thought it needed a much better plot.
BvS in hindsight is very...VERY Boring.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
DC wrote a correct version of superman returns after 52
Well, it has a couple of slow sections but it's character building! (Really didn't need to be 2 and a half hours long I admit). The costume, OK, I understand. I think Singer was going for these "classy" old timey Technicolor hues that don't really work, but the spirit was there.
I don't know, he was fun, and inspirational. Lose the more cartoony bits (like the henchmen butting heads and stuff like that) and he still works.
He uses his breath to stop the gas and his laser vision several times!
I don't know, he was fun, and inspirational. Lose the more cartoony bits (like the henchmen butting heads and stuff like that) and he still works.
He uses his breath to stop the gas and his laser vision several times!
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Wait, whoops. It was Vulture, not Variety.
http://www.vulture.com/2016/03/star-wars-records-avatar-titanic.html
MHWilliams
Member
Superman Returns has its own regrettable mistakes. Notably that while Superman saves people, the action sequences outside of the plane one are vaguely boring. There's no emotional heft at times and Superman really needs an equally strong villain for the climax.
In between Superman Returns and Man of Steel, there's an amazing Superman film, but each one falters in different directions.
I agree despite enjoying most of the action. The plane rescue scene is better than anything in MoS for me. The climax being him moving a literal mountain of kryptonite though...eh. And Spacey hams it up in a way that should be entertaining but somehow isn't.
I remember the super-kid pissing me off the most though when I first saw it. Superman as a deadbeat dad was just...why. WHY.
Superman the deadbeat dad who spies on his ex. Lois Lane the truly awful mother who keeps dragging her son with her while investigating dangerous lunatics.
I haven't seen a Superman film that I unabashedly loved since the 80s...
Spacey just needed more screen time and more heinous stuff to do. We don't need to spend as much time as we do with Perry or Jimmy, I think that could've been shortened a bit. I liked the stuff with Cyclops, showing that heroic side of humanity. The mountain plot didn't bother me, but I guess that after you have Supes lifting so much shit in the previous scenes it can get one dimensional, I admit. The less we say about Superman spying on people the better. I remember being in the theater and my gf telling me: good thing there was no one in the bathroom, LOL.
Dammit guys, I just want us to have fun with live action Supes again!
Dammit guys, I just want us to have fun with live action Supes again!
This might be as close as we've gotten in twenty years. Smallville was solid too, though he wasn't really SUPERMAN in that yet...
BronsonLee
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The real hero of Superman Returns was Cyclops
It was missing the GOAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhJ8QKQ-fAg
I actually liked Zimmer's Flight score for this scene. Only highlight of the movie for me
Variety pulled a for-the-clicks bait and switch with their article on BvS vs The Boss this weekend.
"Box Office: Melissa McCarthy Looks to Unseat Batman v Superman"
But reading the article, they expect $21M for the Boss and around $25M for BvS, with a "maybe there will be a late surge of interest for the Boss".
"Box Office: Melissa McCarthy Looks to Unseat Batman v Superman"
But reading the article, they expect $21M for the Boss and around $25M for BvS, with a "maybe there will be a late surge of interest for the Boss".
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Kevin Spacey should have been president luthor
BronsonLee
Member
I'm on a plane home and bitch you know I'm right!
Affeinvasion
Member
Dude ruined two movies and I say that as someone who likes him as an actor.
Well singer never knew how to use him but yes I too like Cyclops. Not in SR though.
Don't make me throw you in a dumpster Bronson.
So it made ~$14.4m today, world wide. It's going to fall quite a ways short of $900m, isn't it? Like, $850m is feeling generous right now.
Discotheque
Banned
kevin spacey was a great lex luthor. him and routh really weren't the problem with that movie. same goes for the direction. i think certain story elements and script choices were the mess of that one.
superman's plane and metropolis rescue were awesome scenes.
anyways as for 2017 franchise movies:
star wars episode 8 >= apes 3 > beauty and the beast > comic book stuff i'm guessing.
excited for guardians 2 and intrigued about justice league/wonder woman but man apes is the best franchise running at the moment easily and star wars has rian johnson on it so i'm expecting something better than 7 which was pretty fun.
superman's plane and metropolis rescue were awesome scenes.
anyways as for 2017 franchise movies:
star wars episode 8 >= apes 3 > beauty and the beast > comic book stuff i'm guessing.
excited for guardians 2 and intrigued about justice league/wonder woman but man apes is the best franchise running at the moment easily and star wars has rian johnson on it so i'm expecting something better than 7 which was pretty fun.
Is this gonna hit 900?? Because this indicates no to me.
Future Foundation
Member
Real smooth, Variety. <_< <_<
MHWilliams
Member
Even with the original score, that's a legitimately great scene in Man of Steel.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Sometimes I like to pretend Enchanted is an illusion Cyclops is having thanks to Mastermind.
LEGO Batman bruh
Discotheque
Banned
oh damn, right. that's gonna be great, that can maybe go ahead of beauty and the beast. i'm a big fanboy for that cartoon though, and some of the casting in the live action movie is genius.
Dash_Riprock
Member
With every passing day, BvS looks like it gonna struggle to have any meaningful higher gross than MoS.
It really is a great scene. Uplifting and full of joy--almost like it's from a different movie. There's also the scene after Clark learns about his people where he visits Ma Kent. He ever so gently lifts her off the ground (just barely). It was little touches like that Clark could've used more of.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I love the mos flight and superman themes. Sound track was solid overall
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Same here. Also new music by the godly Alan Menken... Gonna be so good.
"You're the boss, boss."
I think we are looking at a bump of ~15% over MoS for the domestic take.
Overseas will get a decent bump over Man of Steel, but MoS didn't have a particularly strong overseas gross.
Batman vs Superman only 15% higher domestically than Man of Steel. That really shows just how disappointing this is. Who could have predicted that?
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
That's not saying much lol. Sony and Paramount are quickly approaching mini major status.
I will be surprised if either ends the year with > 10% marketshare. This year, Sony has Angry Birds and Ghostbusters and Paramount has TMNT and Star Trek. Both look a bit better next year, Para has Transformers 5 and WWZ2, Sony has Smurfs, Bad Boys 3, Uncharted, Spiderman (though I'm guessing at least 2 of those will bomb, one of them being Uncharted).
It probably made 50 bucks and Sony needs the money. It's also very likely that it's the last Bond they will distribute, so let them enjoy it!
I think I mentioned this before, but I always thought they were going to bring Aquaman into Batman v Superman for a cameo by tying it into Man of Steel.
There was that scene in Man of Steel, where the oil rig explodes, and Clark goes in and saves the workers, but yeah, the oil rig exploded, leaking tons of gallons of oil into the ocean. I always imagined Aquaman wouldn't be too happy with that. Although I always thought that perhaps it was Aquaman that sabotaged the oil rig himself, eco-terrorist style. I thought it would be neat to have a scene where Arthur confronts Superman about that event, or have Clark investigating acts of terrorism on the ocean, and it turns out its Aquaman trying to protect his people. Either scenario I felt would work better than what we ended up getting. I hadn't followed BvS, but I remember thinking that the Aquaman cameo would be a single scene like this, and Arthur then goes back into the ocean, not really interested in what Clark/Supes was peddling at the time, but could maybe be coaxed into joining their team during the Justice League movie, because the threat of Darkseid is so great that his oceans wouldn't be safe either.
There was that scene in Man of Steel, where the oil rig explodes, and Clark goes in and saves the workers, but yeah, the oil rig exploded, leaking tons of gallons of oil into the ocean. I always imagined Aquaman wouldn't be too happy with that. Although I always thought that perhaps it was Aquaman that sabotaged the oil rig himself, eco-terrorist style. I thought it would be neat to have a scene where Arthur confronts Superman about that event, or have Clark investigating acts of terrorism on the ocean, and it turns out its Aquaman trying to protect his people. Either scenario I felt would work better than what we ended up getting. I hadn't followed BvS, but I remember thinking that the Aquaman cameo would be a single scene like this, and Arthur then goes back into the ocean, not really interested in what Clark/Supes was peddling at the time, but could maybe be coaxed into joining their team during the Justice League movie, because the threat of Darkseid is so great that his oceans wouldn't be safe either.
Yup. I'll give Snyder that. He nailed the hell out of that scene. It's hard not to smile through it.
They spent more on the promo shots featuring Aquaman than they on the actual cameo.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Terrible soundtrack choice. The "Pa Kent just died time to leave Smallville" music doesn't fit there. It's not even edited all that well either.
Hell, at least use the Krypton theme. Or use the music before Superman takes off for the first time from the Fortress, after giant spinny ice-head Brando disappears.
It originally had 3 dislikes. Now it has 4. Hmm....
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
This thing is not touching even 900 million, let alone 1b. God I just can't get over the fact that Snyder is fucking ruining the whole DC plate, the characters, the movies and everything and yet WB just won't throw this hack out! In this day and age a movie having both Superman and Batman and yet not touching 1b is a disaster. Marvel made iron man a far bigger brand than Superman and Batman, solely on the basis of one or two good movies. Do you see that, WB? You have Batman and Superman and yet you can't touch even iron man?
They should've thrown Snyder out when Man of Steel made only 660 million or so. It was coming off the heels of dark knight trilogy. If it was half decent, it should've made at least 800-900. How dumb is WB?
They should've thrown Snyder out when Man of Steel made only 660 million or so. It was coming off the heels of dark knight trilogy. If it was half decent, it should've made at least 800-900. How dumb is WB?
To be fair most problems in life can be solved by lifting something.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah, I don't do the thumby thing. I complain on messageboards. I'm old.
You know, I own Lois and Clark on DVD, maybe 4 of the five seasons? I can't remember.
Anyway, I was rewatching it a few months back (maybe late last year), and it is a surprisingly rewatchable show. Like, it's a lot of fun. It's silly, and campy, and the special effects are fucking atrocious, but there is some legit fun stuff in there, some great characterization, and Teri Hatcher looking god damned amazing in every scene she's in. Well, Dean Cain wasn't anything to scoff at back then either, truth told.
I remember loving that show when it came out (I was 14, and had a mad hormone boner for Teri Hatcher), and I fully expected to groan/cringe my way through my rewatch last year, and me and my wife were having a good time with it. It was fun to make fun of, and just enjoy. It wasn't even malicious making fun of it, just kind of mocking how frigging 90's the show was.
I recommend it to fans of 90's television. It's a really charming show. And Ma and Pa Kent are hands down the best interpretation of the Kents ever. Although Smallville Kents are pretty great too. But Lois and Clark Kents are so damned lovable. They genuinely look like they like one another, and their chemistry is charming as fuck. You can see why Clark turned out the way he did. Although Clark is kind of a dick in those earlier seasons. They did a great job of humanizing the character.
Superman Returns is bad in an entirely distinct way from the way Man of Steel is bad, I'll give it that. Who was Lex, Kevin Spacey? He was so, so terrible. Also there was like an island made of Kryptonite? Jesus.
That's another problem with these cameos. Where the hell where Aquaman and WW when the World Engine was about to kill everyone on earth???
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