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[Nanashrew]

Zelda a pack-in???

Surely you jest.

I dunno. I just see these as very trying times for Nintendo right now. They could do it for all anyone knows. But Mario Maker is still very likely too. It's already sold a lot, and being a pack-in could sell even more without worry of whatever else.

EDIT: Also what Somnid said too about a tech demo game.

 

[Zalman]

Just made sure, and yeah, the original Smash rumor from Serkan Toto said it's planned to be a launch title. So Zelda and Smash for launch will the other two ports as schedule-fillers seems likely to me.

 

[seady]

I really hope the NX is something more fresh like the Wii was.

The information so far only seem to say the NX is a natural steps to what we are expecting or already have in the PS4/XBO (connectivity to mobile, Nintendo server, Nintendo user account etc)... these are things we should already have two gens ago. Nintendo will not win anything if they take the same route as everybody. It needs something different.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Just made sure, and yeah, the original Smash rumor from Serkan Toto said it's planned to be a launch title. So Zelda and Smash for launch will the other two ports as schedule-fillers seems likely to me.

Good call. I forgot all about him specifying Smash as a launch game.

So, Zelda in November, Smash in December, with a small chance of it being pushed to March? But March makes more sense for Mario Maker or Splatoon (if those are indeed the two being ported).

 

[ReyVGM]

I really hope the NX is something more fresh like the Wii was.

It needs something different.

It does. A Zelda for launch, just like the Wii.

 

[10k]

Make it easier on yourself, repeat after me, all the reddit leakers are fakes.

That post wasn't a reference to a Reddit post. That was my own thoughts using my anecdotal evidence and facts said by Kimishima.

 

[Nanashrew]

I really hope the NX is something more fresh like the Wii was.

The information so far only seem to say the NX is a natural steps to what we are expecting or already have in the PS4/XBO (connectivity to mobile, Nintendo server, Nintendo user account etc)... these are things we should already have two gens ago. Nintendo will not win anything if they take the same route as everybody. It needs something different.

I think Nintendo is interested in VR and AR, but in different ways from the others. The VR patent sounds incredibly close to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw

The AR projection stuff, I'm not sure how to describe it. But this is the thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1204802&highlight=nintendo+patent

 

[Dark Cloud]

I dunno. I just see these as very trying times for Nintendo right now. They could do it for all anyone knows. But Mario Maker is still very likely too. It's already sold a lot, and being a pack-in could sell even more without worry of whatever else.

EDIT: Also what Somnid said too about a tech demo game.

They're not packing in Zelda. I don't see how it's trying times for Nintendo when they've been making money.

 

[KingBroly]

My thoughts exactly. Launch in Nov with new software & Zelda, then Smash in Dec - similar to GCN and Melee release window, Splatoon in early spring, and Mario Maker as a summer filler. Though Mario Maker as a pre-installed game on NX would work well.

Smash needs to be there at launch. Nintendo needs to make a big splash at launch to the point where people can't ignore it.

 

[Nanashrew]

They're not packing in Zelda. I don't see how it's trying times for Nintendo when they've been making money.

I know they're making money, but these are trying times for them. Handheld side isn't doing well as it once was, and their home console is their lowest selling system ever. They're still missing quite a lot of sales projections which is not something good to hear either, especially for their shareholders.

 

[MK_768]

Granted, that's assuming a totally-shared library is happening at all.

It's a best-case scenario for sure, though.

On a scale it probably goes...

Totally shared --> Console plays most games, but some are exclusive to one form factor --> Another split library (would be pretty dumb so hopefully that doesn't happen again)



At the very least, I think a sign of something would be appreciated. They missed GDC which seemed like a big opportunity for anything. I think while it's understandable relatively to wait until then, they're cutting it pretty close from a marketing point of view.

Sony revealing PS4 in February with a further blowout in June was a pretty good model. But we'll probably get a vague idea of what NX is at the meeting and then "we'll say more at E3".

That's not what helped Sony though. They capitalized on Microsoft royally screwing up. Go back to e3 2013. Look at the absolute drubbing Sony put on Microsoft. Sony benefited from going last at E3 imo.

 

[Neoxon]

Smash needs to be there at launch. Nintendo needs to make a big splash at launch to the point where people can't ignore it.

Plus they can capitalize on the fact that Smash 4 has both a massive roster that a lot of people missed out on, & the fact that not everyone got the DLC characters.

I still have my doubts about us getting anything beyond what's already DLC or in the 3DS version (besides MAYBE the Ice Climbers), but I'd love to be wrong.

 

[KingBroly]

Plus they can capitalize on the fact that Smash 4 has both a massive roster that a lot of people missed out on, & the fact that not everyone got the DLC characters.

I still have my doubts about us getting anything beyond what's already DLC or in the 3DS version (besides MAYBE the Ice Climbers), but I'd love to be wrong.

I think the Ice Climbers are a sure thing.

 

[IntelliHeath]

If they're ports shouldnt they be there at launch?

Well, if it's enhanced version, then it don't have to be out at launch date since they could add several new contents or so. I'm not saying that it would happens but I don't think they should rush the games tho.

They announce that "NX will launch with Zelda and 3 Amazing Game Services: Splatoon, Super Mario Mario and The Complete Edition of Super Smash Bros, each with more content to come after release."


Or:
Smash Bros: "The Ice Climbers Return"
Super Mario Maker: "Slopes"
Splatoon: "SQUID SISTER AMIIBO!"

Inkling Inked in.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Smash needs to be there at launch. Nintendo needs to make a big splash at launch to the point where people can't ignore it.

How is a port a big splash exactly?

 

[Neoxon]

They announce that "NX will launch with Zelda and 3 Amazing Game Services: Splatoon, Super Mario Mario and The Complete Edition of Super Smash Bros, each with more content to come after release."


Or:
Smash Bros: "The Ice Climbers Return"
Super Mario Maker: "Slopes"
Splatoon: "SQUID SISTER AMIIBO!"


Speaking of amiibo, still 0 word on when Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta amiibo are releasing. A bit...too...you know what I'm saying?

But that's just it, I'm not sure if Smash 4 & Splatoon would be supported after launch if they get ported. This is more so with Splatoon since they'd likely want to save their best ideas for the sequel. As for Smash 4, I've already expressed my doubts of the likelihood of there being any updates for it beyond the DLC that we already got & maybe the Ice Climbers.

 

[KingBroly]

How is a port a big splash exactly?

Well...it's part of a bigger launch. Plus, Japan loves Splatoon. So much so that Wii U is in short supply in Japan. You'd presumably put it out to get those players that want it. I'd also throw in some kind of Horde Mode or something else.

But that's just it, I'm not sure if Smash 4 & Splatoon would be supported after launch if they get ported. This is more so with Splatoon since they'd likely want to save their best ideas for the sequel. As for Smash 4, I've already expressed my doubts of the likelihood of there being any updates for it beyond the DLC that we already got & maybe the Ice Climbers.

Smash still has Corrin, Bayonetta and Cloud amiibo to come out, and presumably an Ice Climbers amiibo as well. Maybe 1-2 more characters. I dunno.

 

[Nanashrew]

I'd say Smash and Splatoon are ported to transition competitive players over and keep it alive a tad longer until the sequels come out later down the road.

They'd be playing it on a newer system. Also the new system might be able to handle some things better like LAN and the internet, and other things. That would also be a benefit.

 

[jdstorm]

I think Nintendo will release both the Smash 4 and Mario Maker ports at launch. These games have a competitive scene among the hardcore Nintendo faithful and will likely be platforms that get constant updates and iterative changes. These aren't new games but since most people never owned a Wii U its a great way to capitalise on the popularity of the brand. Nintendo is going to come out swinging hard at the NX launch. I'd expect a minimum of 24 Nintendo games next year. ( 2 a month) plus a few extra launch titles

 

[Sheroking]

If they're ports shouldnt they be there at launch?

Well, you don't want to oversaturate your launch. You need the game that sells the system (Zelda) and a few lesser games to go with some third party stuff. If they stagger out some of these ports, maybe they can avoid the horrible software drought that plagues new consoles in their first year.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I'd say Smash and Splatoon are ported to transition competitive players over and keep it alive a tad longer until the sequels come out later down the road.

They'd be playing it on a newer system. Also the new system might be able to handle some things better like LAN and the internet, and other things. That would also be a benefit.

For some reason, my gut is telling me that Smash 4 Port (or Smash 4.5) is going to be only brand new Smash Bros we are going to get on the console. (not counting out virtual consoles or Melee HD tho)

 

[Oddduck]

For some reason, my gut is telling me that Smash 4 Port (or Smash 4.5) is going to be only brand new Smash Bros we are going to get on the console. (not counting out virtual consoles or Melee HD tho)

I can see this potentially happening too.

 

[Doctre81]

they have two popular recent games that have been receiving download content through 2016. splatoon in particular is huge in japan. if they want to make sure their next system sells well, they need to put their biggest guns on it. splatoon is actually one of them.

super mario maker is a 'proof of concept' sort of thing. i can actually imagine a 'super mario maker dx' as a digital pack-in title for all systems.

Or they can announce the system showing a teaser trailer for Splatoon 2.

 

[Nanashrew]

For some reason, my gut is telling me that Smash 4 Port (or Smash 4.5) is going to be only brand new Smash Bros we are going to get on the console. (not counting out virtual consoles or Melee HD tho)

Like continual updates and DLC for almost forever? I guess I could see it. EA makes billions on just DLC. Though they better have good cheap DLC bundles cause I can't afford all that stuff.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

For some reason, my gut is telling me that Smash 4 Port (or Smash 4.5) is going to be only brand new Smash Bros we are going to get on the console. (not counting out virtual consoles or Melee HD tho)

Agreed. I think it's time for Nintendo to find someone to replace Sakurai. He left Nintendo originally because he was forced into sequels and didn't want to make games he wanted to make. Iwata had to beg him to help with the last two Smash Bros. Developing the Smash Bros titles has also affected his personal health a lot. I suspect Smash 4 NX will be the only Smash Bros we get barring remakes, VC releases or spinoffs. This would allow Nintendo enough time to find a suitable replacement for the next system.

Although I wonder if Sakurai could plan on retiring after Smash 4 NX. His health has been on a downward spiral since KI:U development.

 

[10k]

Yes i thought about smash 4 becoming a platform and service like SFV. Get the game and engine up and running on NX with all dlc for day one, and then continue balance patching and added stages or characters over the next few years. I don't see a smash 5 coming to NX. Maybe the NX2.

 

[Nanashrew]

I have a question though. How would the meta evolve for the one game? Is there more for the meta or would the next game in the series building on what's there be more beneficial?

I certainly hope no one grows tired of the game if they go along with something like continual updates and DLC.

 

[10k]

I have a question though. How would the meta evolve for the one game? Is there more for the meta or would the next game in the series building on what's there be more beneficial?

I certainly hope no one grows tired of the game if they go along with something like continual updates and DLC.

The meta evolved over time. Look at Starcraft Brood War or CSS from when they first launched till now.

I'm sure smash 4 will be around for 7 years or so from its initial release, so it likely won't be replaced on NX until 2021 or 2022. This is an assumption based on Sakurai working on a AAA title for the standard three years after smash 4 NX is all done, and then adding in development time for smash 5.

 

[Zalman]

Agreed. I think it's time for Nintendo to find someone to replace Sakurai. He left Nintendo originally because he was forced into sequels and didn't want to make games he wanted to make. Iwata had to beg him to help with the last two Smash Bros. Developing the Smash Bros titles has also affected his personal health a lot. I suspect Smash 4 NX will be the only Smash Bros we get barring remakes, VC releases or spinoffs. This would allow Nintendo enough time to find a suitable replacement for the next system.

Although I wonder if Sakurai could plan on retiring after Smash 4 NX. His health has been on a downward spiral since KI:U development.

Sakurai is not that old and he clearly enjoys game development. Question is whether he'll continue with Smash or not.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Yes i thought about smash 4 becoming a platform and service like SFV. Get the game and engine up and running on NX with all dlc for day one, and then continue balance patching and added stages or characters over the next few years. I don't see a smash 5 coming to NX. Maybe the NX2.

I could see this happening as well. I could also see them using the Smash 4 NX's base game engine to make other style games. For example, Nintendo V. Capcom(or V. Namco/V. Sega) could happen and use a heavily modified Smash 4 NX game engine. I'm not saying a spinoff necessarily uses the same control scheme, rules and style as Smash Bros but can use the base graphic engine and 2D fighting game design as well as plenty of usable Smash Bros game models for the Nintendo aspect of the game.

 

[Neoxon]

I'd say Smash and Splatoon are ported to transition competitive players over and keep it alive a tad longer until the sequels come out later down the road.

They'd be playing it on a newer system. Also the new system might be able to handle some things better like LAN and the internet, and other things. That would also be a benefit.

Though if the NX Console doesn't support the GameCube Adapter or any kind of wired controller, competitive Smash on the NX Console will be DoA. Hopefully Nintendo realizes this.

The meta evolved over time. Look at Starcraft Brood War or CSS from when they first launched till now.

I'm sure smash 4 will be around for 7 years or so from its initial release, so it likely won't be replaced on NX until 2021 or 2022. This is an assumption based on Sakurai working on a AAA title for the standard three years after smash 4 NX is all done, and then adding in development time for smash 5.

I have a question though. How would the meta evolve for the one game? Is there more for the meta or would the next game in the series building on what's there be more beneficial?

I certainly hope no one grows tired of the game if they go along with something like continual updates and DLC.

I'm actually a bit concerned about Smash 4 living past this year's EVO (namely due to the hype dying down for the game).

For some reason, my gut is telling me that Smash 4 Port (or Smash 4.5) is going to be only brand new Smash Bros we are going to get on the console. (not counting out virtual consoles or Melee HD tho)

I honestly don't see this as the case, especially if it's only Smash 4: Complete Edition. If that's what the port is, then I'd expect it to just buy Nintendo some time to get Smash 5 ready with new characters & whatnot.

 

[Nanashrew]

Though if the NX Console doesn't support the GameCube Adapter or any kind of wired controller, competitive Smash on the NX Console will be DoA. Hopefully Nintendo realizes this.



I'm actually a bit concerned about Smash 4 living past this year's EVO (namely due to the hype dying down for the game).

I hope they realize that too. Also yeah, and then there's smash scene in Spain wanting to ban Bayonetta from tournaments.

 

[Neoxon]

I hope they realize that too. Also yeah, and then there's smash scene in Spain wanting to ban Bayonetta from tournaments.

I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if the port comes with a balance update meant to bring the competitive scene over. Plus it would be a great opportunity to introduce a USB wired controller with 2 bumpers & 2 triggers (perfect for Bidou). And even then, Bayonetta's only been out for 2 months, which isn't enough time to pass final judgement for her being banned (especially since she has yet to win any majors). If by some miracle we get additional characters, that'll seal the deal in terms of moving the FGC over to the NX Console.

 

[10k]

Though if the NX Console doesn't support the GameCube Adapter or any kind of wired controller, competitive Smash on the NX Console will be DoA. Hopefully Nintendo realizes this.



I'm actually a bit concerned about Smash 4 living past this year's EVO (namely due to the hype dying down for the game).


I honestly don't see this as the case, especially if it's only Smash 4: Complete Edition. If that's what the port is, then I'd expect it to just buy Nintendo some time to get Smash 5 ready with new characters & whatnot.

That's mostly because of the Wii U being dead and a lot of people waiting for the NX and smashes future on it. If anything, the NX will reinvigorate it.

 

[Neoxon]

That's mostly because of the Wii U being dead and a lot of people waiting for the NX and smashes future on it. If anything, the NX will reinvigorate it.

Actually, it's more about the game itself than the system the game's on. A good chunk of the FGC consider Smash 4 to be boring to watch (though it is fun to play, don't get me wrong) & not as hype compared to Melee. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Melee outlives Smash 4 at this rate, regardless of the NX Platform port.

 

[Nanashrew]

I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if the port comes with a balance update meant to bring the competitive scene over. Plus it would be a great opportunity to introduce a USB wired controller with 2 bumpers & 2 triggers (perfect for Bidou). And even then, Bayonetta's only been out for 2 months, which isn't enough time to pass final judgement for her being banned (especially since she has yet to win any majors). If by some miracle we get additional characters, that'll seal the deal in terms of moving the FGC over to the NX Console.

That would be really nice! They need a good wired controller like that for bidou. That could do something major for the current meta.

The Bayonetta situation is so odd. It seems like no one wants to learn how to get around her moves, it's far too early to just do that. Community feels too young about things the FGC have already figured out about characters. I mean, look at how Miis have been treated though anyone can beat Miis rather easily yet there were times they said that Miis should not participate. Like, man, you're winning, there's no need for that!

 

[10k]

I feel like we're falling into a trap of the Wii U, which was also rumored to have a lot of games coming to it its first two years. For NX, these projectsup are rumored or on schedule to appear from launch to holiday 2017:

Zelda U/NX (Wii U game 1)
Pikmin 4
Smash GOTY (Wii U game 2)
3D Mario
Retro's project
Diddy Kong Racing 2 (could be Retro's project)
Splatoon 2
Mario Kart 9
Super Mario Maker (Wii U Game 3)
Wii U Game 4
Animal Crossing

That's an insane lineup, especially if the NX gets any type of third party support. Seems too good to be true. So maybe not all of those games are on active development or coming on the first year or so.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Sakurai is not that old and he clearly enjoys game development. Question is whether he'll continue with Smash or not.

Yeah, it's really tough to tell if Sakurai really want to continue his project in the future.

“It’s pretty difficult. If I keep making Smash, I get to work on interesting things like Ryu, but if I leave, I don’t know if the staff could do it by themselves.”

 

[Instro]

I feel like we're falling into a trap of the Wii U, which was also rumored to have a lot of games coming to it its first two years. For NX, these projectsup are rumored or on schedule to appear from launch to holiday 2017:

Zelda U/NX (Wii U game 1)
Pikmin 4
Smash GOTY (Wii U game 2)
3D Mario
Retro's project
Diddy Kong Racing 2 (could be Retro's project)
Splatoon 2
Mario Kart 9
Super Mario Maker (Wii U Game 3)
Wii U Game 4
Animal Crossing

That's an insane lineup, especially if the NX gets any type of third party support. Seems too good to be true. So maybe not all of those games are on active development or coming on the first year or so.

Those would just be "console" games too. Should see an influx of titles coming from the handheld if there is a shared library of some kind.

 

[KingBroly]

It depends on what else they provide for Smash 4. Smash 5 ain't happening anytime soon, and Nintendo doesn't seem too keen on porting Melee. Some rollback netcode would be nice, though.

As long as Nintendo doesn't swamp NX with platformers and party games within the thing's first 12 months, it should do better than Wii U.

 

[Neoxon]

It depends on what else they provide for Smash 4. Smash 5 ain't happening anytime soon, and Nintendo doesn't seem too keen on porting Melee. Some rollback netcode would be nice, though.

As long as Nintendo doesn't swamp NX with platformers and party games within the thing's first 12 months, it should do better than Wii U.

This

 

[Deleted member 465307]

EDIT: Nevermind. Reading the account, it reads exactly like her old one did. Either it's her or it's an elaborate fake where someone has copied her syntax.

 

[Nanashrew]

Should the Emily Rogers info be seen as serious (as serious as rumors can be, I mean)? I had taken it for granted that this was the old Emily Rogers with a new account, but it's odd that GoNintendo said it wasn't her. I only learned that GoNintendo said that because she then tweeted that GoNintendo was wrong. For some reason, I thought RMC (I assume that's who said it) and Emily Rogers were friends, so I'd assume RMC would be in the know about who is running the account.

She just Tweeted out that they got that wrong. So far everything she's talked about, her concerns with Nintendo and all that. It sounds like Emily to a T.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I honestly don't see this as the case, especially if it's only Smash 4: Complete Edition. If that's what the port is, then I'd expect it to just buy Nintendo some time to get Smash 5 ready with new characters & whatnot.

Perhaps, the answer is going to be answered soon in two months.

It depends on what else they provide for Smash 4. Smash 5 ain't happening anytime soon, and Nintendo doesn't seem too keen on porting Melee. Some rollback netcode would be nice, though.

As long as Nintendo doesn't swamp NX with platformers and party games within the thing's first 12 months, it should do better than Wii U.

I'm not sure about Rollback net code because I really dislike the feature in SFV.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

You know the name NEX is growing in me.

 

[ekim]

So what is the latest rumor? The most recent thing I know is that Zelda is coming to NX.

 

[KingBroly]

I'm not sure about Rollback net code because I really dislike the feature in SFV.

That's the least of SF5's problems, but that's more a Capcpom issue than an issue with rollback netcode.

 

[Roo]

You know the name NEX is growing in me.

Well, it won't be called like that so the sooner you forget about it the better.

So what is the latest rumor? The most recent thing I know is that Zelda is coming to NX.

Including Zelda and Smash, there are several other Wii U games getting a NX port.

 

[AzaK]

Including Zelda and Smash, there are several other Wii U games getting a NX port.

It's all not a good sign really is it? If they had great third party support lining up for NX there'd be no need for so many ports.

 

[Peru]

It's all not a good sign really is it? If they had great third party support lining up for NX there'd be no need for so many ports.

Wild conjecture. Giving new NX customers a chance to try out the most popular games from the underperforming Wii U is a logical, no-risk choice from Nintendo.