TheGreatMightyPoo
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Well, yeah.
That's not much different than what I said or meant.
No reason for them to hang on past laurels for multiplayer games.
They should have made "Melee 2" if they loved it so much.
Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.
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Well, yeah.
That's not much different than what I said or meant.
No reason for them to hang on past laurels for multiplayer games.
They should have made "Melee 2" if they loved it so much.
exmachina64
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Preach.
Angry Chair
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We discredited the reddit leakers a long time ago. Some actual information came out of this thread though with LCGeek claiming the NX's CPU is quite a bit better than the PS4's and that the NX will receive at least 4 Wii U ports.
No they wouldn't.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Like other people said, the sales were shunned because of Smash 3DS. The handling of Wii U by Nintendo is pretty bad as well.
That's why I think Sakurai and the team should add more new contents to the game in order to sell the game and hopefully expand install base for Nintendo NX. Also Sakurai already knowledge that the hype behind Smash is pretty much characters, so I'm pretty sure that he would figure it out by adding some popular characters for people to pick up the system and game, like Inkling and Rhythm Heaven.
NinjaCoachZ
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Smash didn't entice people toward a Wii U because the Wii U just wasn't a viable enough purchase that the games could justify it for many people, compared to other systems. And as others have said, many casual players were likely satisfied with the 3DS version.
If NX is a good system that is attractive to buyers, then a Smash port (or better yet, expanded edition, whatever the expansion is) for those who missed it last time definitely won't turn people away.
Having a couple ports at launch won't be an issue as long as they're simply supplements with a few original games as the main attraction. And it's likely that Zelda will be marketed primarily as an NX game, much as Twilight Princess was generally perceived by gamers as a Wii game and not a cheap port.
I agree. If we aren't getting at least a couple of new characters, and maybe even the odd stage (perhaps even porting over the 3DS stages), that would be a colossal missed opportunity. It would be exciting both to newcomers and to double-dippers.
If NX is a good system that is attractive to buyers, then a Smash port (or better yet, expanded edition, whatever the expansion is) for those who missed it last time definitely won't turn people away.
Having a couple ports at launch won't be an issue as long as they're simply supplements with a few original games as the main attraction. And it's likely that Zelda will be marketed primarily as an NX game, much as Twilight Princess was generally perceived by gamers as a Wii game and not a cheap port.
I agree. If we aren't getting at least a couple of new characters, and maybe even the odd stage (perhaps even porting over the 3DS stages), that would be a colossal missed opportunity. It would be exciting both to newcomers and to double-dippers.
Melee as a VC release is all well and good. People will complain it wasn't updated with online and whatever, and the NX version of Smash will be the primary Smash for the console. A VC release is just nice to have if you want to play Melee for whatever reason.
I suppose there are three reasons why I'd put XBO-level performance as the most likely scenario. The first is just that, following on from the Wii and Wii U, it would be natural to assume that Nintendo would be conservative with system performance (an assumption which may well be wrong following the failure of the Wii U, but is still hard to argue against). The second is that the higher the performance of the home console, the more difficult it would be for Nintendo to develop games that run on both it and the handheld. The third is that they may have some kind of expensive technology in the controller (such as a screen) which would prohibit them from pushing much higher in performance than XBO even if they wanted to.
IntelliHeath
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I wonder if they are going to actually release Melee for VC without GameCube Controller support?
I'm pretty sure that they would. Hopefully..
If they release the game and it doesn't have GCN support, then people would say the release was a waste.
Meesh
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Hmmm... I'm ok with this being that my expectations weren't crazy
I was just confused by all the info. Thanks for clarifying everything and your insight btw.Well, it would make logistics for tournaments much, much easier with everything on one system. That would be a nice bonus. Plus, if the console can stream to Twitch (which I hope there will be an app for that), would be easier to stream that stuff too.
How so?
I know Wii U emulation has issues with input delay for N64 titles, but the Wii seemed fine.
Unless even a whiff of input delay is discovered. If that happens, the Melee community will go right back to their GameCubes, Wiis, & CRTs.
I thought that too, but apparently it varies per game (though usually it's really good emulation). Smash 64 VC has some nasty frame drops that weren't in the original, and I think maybe minor input lag. I'm not super into Smash 64 so I wouldn't be able to tell you for 100% sure.
I know VC is considered better for certain other games though. Mario 64, Zelda OoT, and Paper Mario are all faster to speedrun on VC I think because of shorter load times. The speedrunning community might stick with the original version over VC though just for legacy's sake.
I feel like if they keep releasing Wii titles (in this case actually called VC games now) and eventually GCN games as well then all catalogue of controllers (GCN, Wii Remote, Classic, Wii U Pro, etc) won't be out of the picture entirely.
Of course there's the change they'll be like "original controller setup be damned" and only focus on the new controller but I think it wouldn't make much sense to bring specific games without their original controller (in this case, Melee)
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I forget to mention something in other post. I seriously doubt that we are going to get Mario Kart 8 NX but I'm very curious to see how they would pull it off with Mario Kart 9 since Mario Kart 8 really set the bar high in a term of track designs.
What made Smash NX topic more exciting for me is we have no clue what Smash NX is going to be because it's first time we have been in this situation. Well, it's really depend on the size of Smash development team and their schedule aka deadline.
Smash NX could meant anything,
1) Straight Port
2) Expanded Edition with Wii U and 3DS stages merged
3) Expanded Edition w/ new contents (new characters, new stages and new modes)
4) Expanded Edition with new modes only
Yeah, it's quite exciting. I'm very curious about the size of Smash development team itself. If it's huge, like Smash Wii U and 3DS development team, then they could add good amount of characters, stages and modes. (I meant they manage to included 51 characters, 84 stages, over 900 trophies, many modes, etc within two years and several months. Or would the team being small, such like Smash DLC development team which basically would able to work on porting the game only; or they would able to add few characters, stages and modes. If they are going to add new contents then I could imagine that the size of team is going to be between DLC team and Smash 4 team which should be enough.
Exactly. With Nintendo, you will never know what would happens. Sometime, they always have their missing opperunities with some games.
What made Smash NX topic more exciting for me is we have no clue what Smash NX is going to be because it's first time we have been in this situation. Well, it's really depend on the size of Smash development team and their schedule aka deadline.
Smash NX could meant anything,
1) Straight Port
2) Expanded Edition with Wii U and 3DS stages merged
3) Expanded Edition w/ new contents (new characters, new stages and new modes)
4) Expanded Edition with new modes only
Yeah, it's quite exciting. I'm very curious about the size of Smash development team itself. If it's huge, like Smash Wii U and 3DS development team, then they could add good amount of characters, stages and modes. (I meant they manage to included 51 characters, 84 stages, over 900 trophies, many modes, etc within two years and several months. Or would the team being small, such like Smash DLC development team which basically would able to work on porting the game only; or they would able to add few characters, stages and modes. If they are going to add new contents then I could imagine that the size of team is going to be between DLC team and Smash 4 team which should be enough.
Exactly. With Nintendo, you will never know what would happens. Sometime, they always have their missing opperunities with some games.
Plinko
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I would think Mario Galaxy 1 and/or 2 would be a far better possibility to showcase the graphical capability of a new machine.
But that all depends on if Sakurai comes back or did enough work before leaving for Bandai Namco to pick up where he left off. Sure, we could get a character or two that may have been near complete & cut because of the 3DS (Ex: maybe the Ice Climbers), but I'm not expecting anything beyond what we already have in the Wii U version. Hell, getting any 3DS stages would be a miracle.
That being said, if the Smash 4 port is just a straight port of the Wii U version, then most tournaments will likely stick with the Wii U version to save money on set-ups. And if the NX Console doesn't support the GameCube Adapter, then the NX Console will be DoA for competitive Smash.
Yeah, I heard about that. I can't remember who said it in one of the GDQ threads, but the black Wii gets you a faster time for SM64 than the white Wii. My guess is slight improvements in later iterations.
Hopefully a much more powerful system and better CPU helps ease this. I know N64 emulations can be really tough though and none of the emulators out right now are even remotely accurate too. The closest we have for accurate emulation right now is CEN64 and it's still in the very early stages.
Pokemon Snap for example has been a major problem on just about every emulator, but CEN64 is making it work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QPN3rOhuu0
Would the graphical jump from XBO level to PS4 level, really make a difference in the downporting to handheld format? This seems rather trivial. I mean, if you want do downport the latest Assassins Creed (just for instance)... would it really matter if it came from XBO or PS4 level graphics?
As for the other two arguments, i guess the primary question is, how expensive (or cheap) is the tech now, 3 years later. So i was thinking about that, if you look at it from the same perspective as the CPU.
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I can only imagine that NX will have USB ports. If Nintendo does port Smash 4 and leaves out support for the GCN Adapter, then I will be utterly baffled (unless the NX controller is basically GCN Controller 2.0).
James Scott
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While working on his new game he can overlook the development of the DLC.
Maybe he had laid down some basics before moving on as well.
And yeah, Smash would sell on its own, but likely being a port of smash 4 which has sold its fair share already so I'd imagine it has already made its money already.
Having Smash be on every NX would be pretty big, the most feature packed fighting game in the market and a celebration of Nintendo and gaming would add value to the NX and expose people to the brand.
Fire Emblem has its popularity thanks to Smash and I imagine it has helped many others on Nintendo systems as well.
Including and Inkling (a glaring omission from the DLC) would help Splatoon as a brand, Would help Bayonetta cement herself as a Nintendo character helping her sell more in the future if they go forward with a 3rd game, and it would help Final Fantasy on Nintendo if SE decides to bring it back
Lots of benefits to including it.
The Link in Smash 4 is Twilight Princess Link, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
In fact, unless the new Zelda game has Zelda & Ganondorf designs that Smash 5 can use (they made a TP-based Sheik design for Brawl, which is still used for Smash 4), I wouldn't get your hopes up for the Link of the new Zelda game being used.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Eh, I honestly think people here are seriously overestimating the appeal of a Nintendo machine with competitive hardware. Remember the Gamecube and N64?
I don't think for one second that competent hardware is going to suddenly make remasters of games that did little to help Wii U sales help sell Nintendo's next system. Their money is better spent just releasing a new Splatoon, a new Mario Kart.
They're not in the same position the rest of the industry was coming off of PS3 and Xbox 360. They need to be pumping out brand new titles in droves as soon as this system drops. New and exciting stuff, not Wii U's sloppy seconds. The only port that I think makes absolute sense is Smash Bros.
But that's just it. Barring any potential characters that were near completed & cut due to the 3DS, why waste potential newcomers on a port of an older game that you could save for Smash 5? They've already gone above & beyond the call of duty for the DLC characters, which is likely why the port is likely happening in the first place. But on top of the possibility that Sakurai may not come back for the port, they'd also be painting themselves into an even smaller corner in terms of potential newcomers for Smash 5.
Sure, maybe Sakurai may have done initial planning for other characters before leaving, but we just don't know. All we know is that he took an "extended vacation" for an unspecified amount of time. And if the "extended" part is to be taken at face value, Sakurai may not return for something as simple as a port. Also consider that Smash 4 on the Wii U, widely considered the best version of the two, was trapped on the Wii U. It's more of a case of the system holding back the reach of the game than the game not being good enough to gather attention for the system.
NinjaCoachZ
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That comes with the territory, but what I'm saying is that it's in Nintendo's best interest to ensure that such a thing happens. A straight port would be what it is, but I'm fairly certain all of the data they have shows that character reveals are hugely exciting and would influence a lot of potential buyers.
I'm not totally certain obviously of what the port will be, but I feel certain of what it should be. Keep expectations low while hoping for the best.
All things considered I wouldn't be surprised if we never see a "Smash 5", and that the current SSB game is just the basis for the future of the series going forth.
I think Sakurai made it clear that we won't get a playable Ridley. And to be honest, it makes sense. Ridley's meant to be a giant menacing boss, that's just how he's designed. And Female Link, see Post #4487.
Smash 4's gonna get stale eventually, regardless of how much life Nintendo tries to pump into it. Hell, some of the FGC are already getting sick of it. We will see a Smash 5 at some point in the future. If it'll be heavily based on Smash 4's engine or made from scratch is the question.
Pokemaniac
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Even if Ridley was made smaller (which would look really weird with his proportions) his moveset would be utterly broken due to his tail. He'd also still be the widest character in the game by a largish margin.
With Sakurai himself saying that Ridley's too big, I think it's time to let it go.
Graphics Horse
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Once Metroid Fed Force introduces Chibi Ridley, Sakurai won't have an excuse and everyone will be happy.
Schnozberry
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A Polaris 11 variant would be a good fit in this range if they pushed hard for 14nm. Bristol Ridge is rumored to have a 16 CU GPU part on its APU at 28nm as well, though it seems to be speculation. It would only make sense as a semi-custom part since it would still be limited by DDR4.
I think it's time to let you go
CAPTAIN OLIMAR IS 1.9 CENTIMETERS TALL
AS IF DESIGN DIFFICULTIES EVER HAMPERED SAKURAI BEFORE
GWAAA
the other reddit "leaker" gave up and deleted his account.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nintendo_N...ils_regarding_nx_console_nx_ue4_dev/?sort=new
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nintendo_N...ils_regarding_nx_console_nx_ue4_dev/?sort=new
Lol. It just got funnier.
Make him have a really short range despite his long limbs.
Poom. Done. Hire me, Namco
Sure but I thought (Possibly wrongly) that these are basically launch remasters?
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Rösti
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This week (it's a new week where I am anyway) will make or break these rumors of an NX related event by the end of the month being announced mid-April.
We're also getting close to Nintendo's FY 2015 Fiscal Year Earnings Relase on April 27. Little more than two weeks left.
We're also getting close to Nintendo's FY 2015 Fiscal Year Earnings Relase on April 27. Little more than two weeks left.
As I mentioned in my other reply, I thought that these were launch/window remasters. That was what was concerning me; that that's all the had for launch.
I don't get the ridley love. He doesn't fit at all. I'm with Sakurai on this one, he's too big and his body type and everything is too weird to make him look fitting to smash. If you want Metroid characters i would go with Dark samus with a different moveset or something else. Ridley is.. i don't know. I feel like it's like wanting rayquaza as a new pokemon. Not quite but kinda.
Yeah i saw the brawl mods, and it still looked weird.
Ontopic, this week should prove it
Ridley is a super well-known (in ninty circles) Metroid character and would require much more imaginative thought and inspired development than just recoloring Samus and adding a new Final Smash. He's anthropomorphic enough. Not doing Kraid I understand, but Ridley? Nah.
If a giant slug or something was one of the most well known Nintendo characters you'd better believe The Sak would make it work. Duck Hunt Duo? Bayonetta? Corrin IS a dragon. Come on. Just change some proportions. Smaller arms, wings, and neck. It's doable if more effort was put into it.
The only explanation is Sakurai's just biased. I bet Ridley killed his parents or something.
Excited. Nintendo never announces stuff when I want them too though. I doubt there'll be a press conference or an April event, cause Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
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