Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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WordsintheWater
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Horizone Zero Dawn
Ratchet and Clank
Gran Turismo Sport
Gravity Rush 2
Drawn to Death
The Tomorrow Children
and a few others that I don't feel like listing.
You know what else launched at 500? The XB1.
Its still PS4. And PS4 is defined by being weak CPU wise and stronger GPU wise. Now the GPU to CPU disparity is even more significant..aka even more like PS4 than even the PS4 was...you get it?
Only MisterX surrogates were even thinking that was in the realm of possibility. This was clearly spurred on by the 16nm shrink doing far more than anticipated. I want to see what an OG PS4 slim looks like
Crimson_Gold
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Well the FCC kinda let us know it was coming already
The response will be to publish games on it.
lol, I know this feeling.
You can say this, but it doesn't stop the original PS4 from performing pretty close to the vanilla HD7870 I got a few years ago because Newegg had a sale.
Dual GPUs is such bullshit, and there's no reason for it.
Double the number of Compute Units / Streaming Processors inside the GPU, up the clockspeed. Done.
Schnozberry
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I have a hard time believing this box can push 1440p with decent frame rates. I have to turn down features on my overclocked i7 and 980ti setup.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Devs are gonna fucking hate this, forcing them to optimize their game for another machine.
"Honey I thought your PS4 had smaller buttons and was slanted?"
Based FCC.
CMojicaAce
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The Neo?
I see Khalifa Jayy is working at Sony now.
I see Khalifa Jayy is working at Sony now.
Haha A+ comment.
grtkbrandon
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If they stick to optimizing for the lowest denominator then this won't be any different than what every developer already does in the PC space (ideally).
thelastword
Banned
They don't have to, it's not like they're optimizing the hell out of their games for the PS4 Vanilla......
Crimson_Gold
Member
Devs will want to do this because the eye candy factor and pure competition. Can't let other devs release the prettier 4K games while you get left behind
It's basically just a GPU upgrade existing in a closed system. It's no more of a problem to "optimize for" than a PC gaming being compatible with a GTX 760 as well as a 970.
There is no way they went through all of this R&D and manufacturing changes without consulting with the AAA developers first. That would be suicide.
I'm going to out on a limb here...
Neo is there to tide the hardcore & PSVR crowd over until Sony/AMD have a Zen/Polaris APU with HBM2 down to $399 retail with a small loss on hardware per unit (per the PS4 and 'People need to buy 2 games to make it profitable' at launch).
I'd guess that such a unit would currently be in the $800 range and obviously doesn't exist yet as Polaris cards are HBM1, bit hopefully people see the wood from the trees in this post...
I'm guessing this will take the current gen into 2018/19 territory.
Neo is there to tide the hardcore & PSVR crowd over until Sony/AMD have a Zen/Polaris APU with HBM2 down to $399 retail with a small loss on hardware per unit (per the PS4 and 'People need to buy 2 games to make it profitable' at launch).
I'd guess that such a unit would currently be in the $800 range and obviously doesn't exist yet as Polaris cards are HBM1, bit hopefully people see the wood from the trees in this post...
I'm guessing this will take the current gen into 2018/19 territory.
you seriously think people are gonna all of sudden sell their ps4s to play the next cod on nx?
Perfect haha.The Neo?
I see Khalifa Jayy is working at Sony now.
Schnozberry
Member
Sony also couldn't radically change much about the hardware, as certain games use GMNX and code down to the register level.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
This for the same reason they rolled with the Jaguar. It allows easy(er) compatibility by just adding in more CUs and upping the clock vs moving up a family.
Mediking
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Husband: "Hey, honey. How's it going?"
Wife: "It's going great.... Am I going crazy but is our PS4... looking different than normal?"
Husband: "No! N--n-n-n-no..... It's the same ol' PS4 I bought months ago."
Wife: "I'm not dumb. I found the receipt for a PS4K on the table."
Husband: "Ummmm. Lemme explain..."
IcyRhythms
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They won't. Someone is going to get fucked good here. The OG PS4 people, or the Neo people. Developers may want to stick to what they know and optimize for OG PS4 only and give Neo some dogshit port. Or, they'll fall in love with the slightly more powerful system and OG PS4 owners will be left with the garbage version. I think this could possibly just make some developers more lazy than they already are.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Let him dream
Yeah, I basically said as much. Didn't stop the discussion from being hilarious though.
tokyocrusher
Banned
Any news if it will be sata 3
Both the xb1 and ps4 GPUs are GCN 1.1
*high fives*
I don't think he said anything about selling their PS4s.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It is double the current GPU with a single GPU. Even better
Obliterator
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They essentially have to even if they weren't planning on it (though they are). That hardware gap is too significant.
wapplew
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Not much trouble for dev, QA will fucking hate this thou, twice the amount of testing.
What would make a port to the Neo "dogshit?" They only bump up the resolution and improve some graphical effects? That's what they made it for.
Hawk269
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Both used same cpu, gpu are same generation one is just more powerful, both 8gb ram with one using faster ram, the shell for the system itself having a matte/glossy side for both. A lot of similarities.
Net_Wrecker
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You can't stop the story there. What comes next? Is it the sex!?
This is just like my Japanese animes.
PC devs have to do this already testing for multiple hardware configurations. This will be a lot simpler with only two variations.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Switching CPU Arch's would mean more compatibility hurdles. Maybe the clock speed isn't locked down yet, but does anyone even know how much higher jags can go without becoming unstable?
I don't think AAA games will run in 4k. Were also talking about a product with zero install base so far. No one knows how it will sell.
To me it looks like sony is leveraging their market share dominance by forcing devs/pubs to support their new product.
Question for the software devs here. How hard would it be for devs to develop and optimize for the OG PS4 (which would typically be something like 1080p 30 fps).. and then unlock it to 1080p 60 fps
IcyRhythms
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They may not care to bother with it. The only real benefit I see here is for Sony's first party studios. They will likely be forced to optimize for both.
AmuroChan
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I would imagine Sony went to all the major publishers to get their opinions before deciding to move ahead with this. I think they've learned their lessons with the PS3. The PS4 was designed with much feedback from the devs. So I doubt they would just ignore their feedback this time around with the Neo.