Are you criticizing the idea that it's not hard to see NX being more powerful than the PS4?
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Are you criticizing the idea that it's not hard to see NX being more powerful than the PS4?
DrROBschiz
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Yeah i was not expecting this level of silence and secrecy
They must really be lining up for an all in one blowout announcement
There's been some *we don't want this person to lose their job* rumblings on the whole x86 "Nintendo must do it!" discussions from coder, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if x86 was a red-herring and Nintendo was indeed following the A72/A53 ARM branching path or K12 (likely not ready).
Sigh that quote:
One day nintendo, one day. Keep on trying.
Outside of a handful of titles (that received direct help from nintendo, mostly), it's still true.
OrbitalBeard
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I think one of the reasons we haven't heard anything from western devs is because most of them aren't planning on releasing NX software. Partially because they see no reason to invest in a Nintendo console and / or because Nintendo simply hasn't given them a whole lot of info yet (which would essentially kill any chance of launch support). This is going to be a Nintendo box with some Japanese support, most likely.
With Wii U, a number of third parties created launch software. I'm not going to be all that surprised if that's not the case this time.
We have no idea of the power of the NX? I mean ... are you just saying this stuff but haven't been keeping up with what's been happening in the past few weeks? Where are you getting this conclusion from? At the very least we have solid information from LCGeek that the CPU is 15-30% more powerful than the PS4's. LCGeek is the same person that leaked the GameCube and the Wii CPUs, did you even know about that? Or did you decide to speak with complete confidence on something you have no information about because you think you KNOW what Nintendo is and always will be as a company based soley on the past 2 generations, the last of which was a complete failure?
I wish someone could give us a little hint on the gimmick though. There's nothing left to speculate now.
No hints.
We'll all just play Jenga while we wait.
ReyVGM
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"Nintendo is doing this one right," said an anonymous source. "[It's] not a gimmick like the Wii."
Well, there is zelda U
Jesus imagine that on NX. The Wii U version already blew me away, it's friggin gorgeous. I wonder what they'll do with the NX version. To think of this with higher resolution, more detailed textures, better draw distance and lighting is too much for me to handle. :')
"Nintendo is doing this one right," said an anonymous source. "[It's] not a gimmick like the Wii."
Well it was a lot more traditional.
I'm not expecting much difference outside of resolution, but hopefully.
This level of secrecy is unheard of in the tech industry, usually new tech is just "a more powerful new machine/part with some neat new features". If the NX is just the Wii U but more powerful and refined then I will be slightly disappointed.
Just watch the NX be a second screen, holographic, motion controlled, haptic touch button, cloud-computing handheld/console hybrid where you have to shout "MCDONALDS" to play each game.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's what I mean.
gigantor21
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Above all else, I want the NX to be awesome to both core and casual players alike, and vaunt Nintendo back into contention with Sony and MS directly.
Really can't imagine a surefire way for them to do it, though.
Really can't imagine a surefire way for them to do it, though.
Yeah we'll see, either way I just can't wait to see more of this thing. By e3 they'll have had a year and a half to work on this since we last got some good gameplay (I don't count that 5 second direct footage lol). Hopefully Treehouse will have some gameplay after the event.
And I don't know if this is a good thing. We already have very solid information on the PS4K.
We even had an article from The Verge today on "different configurations" being tested for a new version of the Xbox One.
And yet absolutely nothing on the NX.
One of two scenarios is going on here - Either Nintendo has masterfully locked down everything and played their hand extremely close to the vest...or there really isn't much going on, and we won't see this system on the market until 2017.
I'm honestly not sure which is more likely.
We don't know!!!!! Stop treating rumors as fact. We don't even know if it launches in 2016.
If you want play the rumors game. Here's a tweet for you from analyst @gibbogame from yesterday:
"@ArcadeGirl64 says those rumors of NX power are wrong. Makes sense when you think -can you make a portable PS4 given the power required."
And while you keep saying the Wii U is a failure and I keep agreeing ....... I keep saying the Wii was a big success and you keep avoiding that fact.
Nintendo is going back to the drawing board and coming up with something new for the NX. It isn't going to be a PS4 or X1 clone. They have publicly stated the way they work numerous times in interviews and financial reports.
The 720p blur and lack of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering really undercut the visuals in almost every Wii U title. For the kind of animated style Nintendo goes for, having clean, clear visuals is really important. Arguably even more important than realistic games; look at Wind Waker, and how dramatically different it is in HD with clear, jaggy-free lines. Zelda U will be the same story. Even if Nintendo keeps the core visuals the same as on Wii U, just having 1080p with full anti aliasing and filtering would go a long way.
I think it's scenario one. Nintendo is probably going to extreme lengths to keep everything under wraps and NX (at least the console if it's both a handheld and console but not a hybrid) will launch this year IMO.
Dude ... you're giving me a head ache... Don't speak on something unless you kept up with what has been going on. ArcadeGirl64 in that same breath said the specs are good, she was commenting on all the "polaris" 14nm talk that was going on in the last rumor thread that 10k started, people were setting up high expectations and she brought them back down to earth, they were speculating the wrong GPU, no where did she say it would be weak, infact, once again, she actually says they are good. She was simply calling out 10k's incorrect information. Where in the hell did this gibbo guy get the idea that the NX was going to be a handheld in any way? Who the hell is he and wht's his credibility? The guy I quoted LCGeek has outed the Gamecube and Wii CPUs, he's actually credible on this matter and has proven so in the past.
It's even more impressive this week reading all the Neo ps4k leaks, Nintendo ninjas remain stronk!!
Well, there is zelda U
Beauuuuuuuuutiful gif!! Zelda U releasing on NX it's going to make my most hyped day-1 purchase since N64
Stop treating rumors as facts. You really don't even know the NX Is a console and not a handheld. You don't know it's launching in 2016 even. And you don't know how much power it will have.
What we do know is how NIntendo operates. They are looking to create the next big thing. Not copy the other guy.
WE do know they have turned away from creating new machines whose sole gimmick is more cpu/gpu power. We know all this because of what they've done and what they say.
You're missing the point if all you focus on is specs. Nintendo isn't going to market the console based on specs. They say this and they do this and yet people still wonder why they didn't release a PS4 or X1 clone 3 years ago or hope they release a PS4/X1 clone 3 years after the fact?!?!?
Get over it.
Most of the rumours saying it's a console have been made up though. So I guess we're back to handheld being a possibility, which always made more sense. LCCGeek have had solid leaks in the past this this time it seems like he just have very limited and vague second hand information so far, so who knows how accurate it is.
Trev source said that the home console is coming out in 2016 and the portable in early 2017. But we should know by now (even without trev) that the NX platform will have both a home and a handheld, and possibly even more hardware going by Iwata's words.
A new console with new games will be obscured by an updated version of a machine that's been on the market for three years? I mean sure, if Nintendo is stupid enough to wait until E3 they will have to split media coverage not only with new games announcements from Sony, MS and third parties but with PS4K too (assuming Sony will show it there), but that hardly means that the NX is going to be overshadowed. That being said, i still believe orgen's words about the fact that we'll be hearing about NX before E3.
Speak for yourself lol
Such a meaningless comparison that also seems off the mark. PS4K will appeal to the same people PS4 appeals to, it might boost PS4 sales for a while when it goes on sale but is ultimately a long term strategy for Sony. It shouldn't really affect the NX either way.
Besides, the most important NX support will come from a newly unified Nintendo and its Japanese partners, and that will certainly not be affected.
No he didn't, that was speculation purely based on the line-ups for the Wii U and 3DS.
Yeah, I'm sure PS4 owners will appreciate being told their console was basically an expensive beta test, and if they want to play games that don't run like dogshit, they'll have to pull out another few hundred quid.
Afaik, Trev source didn't say that but only that Zelda will be cross system and after speculated about the NX release date, form factor...
I suspect games will do the talk after hardware reveals and if Nintendo comes with a new system and not just an iteration...
Fourth Storm
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"Gibbo" is David Gibson, an analyst who used to live tweet Nintendo's investor meetings. He's in a position to have sources, but not everything he says is "insider info". In short, he's a good source. Just be sure to read everything within its proper context.
Again it's completely within reason to think Nintendo can launch NX to be as powerful or more powerful than XB1/PS4.
AcademicSaucer
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I there is one thing Nintendo has been clear about the NX, is that there is going to be a handheld and a home console that will work like apple devices do instead of being totally different platforms.
The issue with the "it's just a handheld" line of thinking is that on the rare occasions that Nintendo has talked about NX, they've referenced it in relation to home consoles. For example this quote from Kimishima:
There's a heavily implication there that the NX is a home console, or a platform which includes a home console, as it's framed as a successor to Wii U.
Where? When? When did I say Nintendo would only focus on specs? I'm fully expecting a "gimmick" of some sort, but logically I'm not expecting Nintendo to go a 3rd time sacrificing other important necessities in a console for a gimmick that may or may not succeed. Nintendo went this route with the Wii U because the Wii was a success, they thought that they could recreate that success with the Wii U and that failed, chances are they are going in a more balanced route rather than taking this same huge risk again. Having a system with decent specs in comparison to the competition, trying to get 3rd party support and having their own "hook" that separate them from the competition.
And the thing is, no one's even setting up high expectations. What's so hard to believe? That the NX, Nintendo's next generation system will be more powerful than the PS4? A fucking 3 year old system? You act like people are expecting a 5TF GPU and a damn core i7 ffs
Either way, no one's taking these rumors as 100% fact, but when you have multiple people (who have been right in the past about multiple things) saying the thing will have decent specs, it has a good chance of being true. I'm not just running on reddit and taking all the BS rumors on there as fact. I don't listen to a rumor unless someone credible has said it, and I've heard multiple credible people say it (Credible meaning they have been right about information in the past and have proven they have real sources with solid information). LCGeek passes that for me, Emily Rogars passes that for me, and WSJ (becuase they are such a big publication) do as well, all people who are saying the the system will have specs in the realm of the PS4. You can believe what you want, but that's my take on it.
This.
SuperLeviathan
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Yes, let's not go overboard in throwing out information, such as it is. Some of it is obviously more credible than others.
There's also the fact that the CPU rumors kinda tell us that it's at the very least a console.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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If Nintendo impresses this time, a new system will be more exciting than a fairly upgraded existing one. They have to bring the hardware and software though. No matter what happens, Sony is going to get the most consumers but the hype wave is Nintendo's to lose this year.
3DS is in rapid decline, the hardware is showing its age and needs a successor as soon as possible. Wii U selling poorly is basically status quo at this point and it doesn't really make much difference if they replace it now or wait it out another year. But they can't afford to let the 3DS decline further. The talk about Wii U ports is also a lot more interesting for a handheld than just rereleasing the same games that weren't enough to make people buy a WiiU for another home console.
and yes I really want a new handheld
Interfectum
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Agreed. While MS and Sony are fussing with cool yet ultimately boring upgrades, Nintendo has a chance to come balls out with some weird, new stuff. E3 is their's to lose, IMO.
You're not the only one. Even though i adore the 3DS, there seems to be little support left, and a modern handheld is overdue i think.
OsirisBlack
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If NX launches with Splatoon 2 a Mario game and a Zelda game as well as legit third party support it will be fine even with the release of PS4k/Neo.
Interfectum
Member
I see it the other way around tbh. If Nintendo can roll out a solid product while MS and Sony muddy the waters with expensive upgrades and VR they have a chance of sticking out from the crowd.
It's just up to Nintendo to unveil a compelling product at this point.
Oh okay I have heard of David Gibson but didn't recognize the "Gibbo", thanks.
I see this argument a lot and it's a big fallacy people have. The Wii U was a toxic machine. There are many people who would've liked to play games like Mario Maker, Splatoon and Smash but really hated the Wii U and frankly can you blame them?
As for the 3DS versus Wii U thing. 3DS seems t have better games incoming, where as the Wii U is just getting rushed out games like Mario Tennis. Yes the 3DS is falling in sales but it is still making more money than the Wii U. Wii U is dead and the 3DS isn't. 3DS is barely just dying lol.
Also, Zelda U is a big factor I feel. Nintendo's silence says a lot. It's practically a given that it's coming to NX. They have no reason to talk about it if NX is a home console. If NX is handheld they would've talked about the Wii U version imo.
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