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[Principate]

Honestly the Nx wouldn't need to have part for part superior specks to the PS4K to have comparable performance. It needs needs to be noticeably superior PS4 specs with no maor bottlenecks, namely a shit ass cpu. The PS4K is hilariously bottlenecked. It'll be able to squeeze out better graphical effects but the actual performance will be very similar to the PS4 due to that CPU bottleneck, which was already bottlenecking the PS4 in the first place.

That's not to say Nintendo will as they probably won't but a good performance per buck CPU and a decent GPU with modern architecture really shouldn't be all that far behind the PS4k, and should outperform it in some aspects.

 

[Richie]

I'm actually -glad- at the NX insiders' fiasco because it means we still know nxt to nothing about it. Will make the official unveil that much more of a surprise.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Well, the first week of May's out because of Golden Week. Sony has their developers conference in Vegas on the May 10/11. I don't think you drop the NX reveal on one of those two days as folks like Trev have hinted that they're going to open up the SDK/ability to order hardware kits once they reveal the console and that would be bad timing for third parties.

Last week of May's Memorial Day week (where not much happens), and then you get into pre-E3 week where you're competing with third party game announcements.

May 12th, May 17-19, May 24-26 are the only dates left that make sense (since Nintendo rarely makes announcements on Mondays or Fridays).

I'm starting to lean towards press event (which could be embargoed to release the date until next week), Direct or press release next week, since they need to get dev kits out.

Don't forget the May 9th rumor from Twitter.

 

[Pinky]

That isn't going to happen. They already revealed they had troubles just getting into HD, do you really think their devs will suddenly jump up to the levels of ND,RaD,SP?

The keyword there is "had". How can we possibly know how capable or incapable their teams are at this current moment? Why don't we just wait and see what Nintendo brings to NX before jumping to this conclusion?

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Well, the first week of May's out because of Golden Week. Sony has their developers conference in Vegas on the May 10/11. I don't think you drop the NX reveal on one of those two days as folks like Trev have hinted that they're going to open up the SDK/ability to order hardware kits once they reveal the console and that would be bad timing for third parties.

Last week of May's Memorial Day week (where not much happens), and then you get into pre-E3 week where you're competing with third party game announcements.

May 12th, May 17-19, May 24-26 are the only dates left that make sense (since Nintendo rarely makes announcements on Mondays or Fridays).

I'm starting to lean towards press event (which could be embargoed to release the date until next week), Direct or press release next week, since they need to get dev kits out.

If you're going to unviel it in may you might as well wait until June for E3.

 

[Roo]

What? Geek's estimates put it at ~2.1GHz if he was talking purely in clockspeeds, if its performance gains then its actually even better than a 30% clock-up that is the PS4K Jaguar (as that will not correlate to a 1:1 gain in performance).

That's how middling the upgrade of CPU power is in the PS4K. We're actually entertaining the thought that the NX has a better CPU than a mid-gen refresh by the leading platform, lol.

I thought he was talking about vanilla PS4 heh
However, after further research and some lurking on the PS4K-Neo threads seems like it's not going to be the beast some people expected lol

Carry on then

 

[-Horizon-]

The NX will still manage to disappoint for a number of reasons that people will try to come up with if it doesn't check all the boxes on their list of demands.

 

[Kissenkopf]

I'm actually -glad- at the NX insiders' fiasco because it means we still know nxt to nothing about it. Will make the official unveil that much more of a surprise.

And on the other side it is funny how much we already know about the PS4 Neo. Nintendo Ninjas did a good work this time.

Only one week left till we hear at least something about the NX. After that the last few days before the reveal will be pure torture.

 

[Principate]

I thought he was talking about vanilla PS4 heh
However, after further research and some lurking on the PS4K-Neo threads seems like it's not going to be the beast some people expected lol

Carry on then

Sony is using the same damn CPU the same goddamn CPU in the PS4. It just has a higher clock speed, the fuck is the point in that.

 

[Plinko]

And on the other side it is funny how much we already know about the PS4 Neo. Nintendo Ninjas did a good work this time.

Only one week left till we hear at least something about the NX. After that the last few days before the reveal will be pure torture.

I am 95% certain the PS Neo leaks were purposeful.

 

[Kissenkopf]

Don't forget the May 9th rumor from Twitter.

What rumor was that? Was it from a random insider?

 

[MuchoMalo]

The NX will still manage to disappoint for a number of reasons that people will try to come up with if it doesn't check all the boxes on their list of demands.

Well, a $300 PS4k killer with free online, a shared library with a $200 handheld that's on-par with XBone, an ergonomic screen controller with remote play for no more than $70, every third-party game ever made, $100 SCDs to increase the power to high-end PC levels, 2-3 AAA per month, and the ability to make toast would be a little difficult to make, to be fair.

Spoiler

I want the built-in toaster.

What rumor was that? Was it from a random insider?

I think is was from a random YouTuber. It's far-fetched, but then again Trev was a random YouTuber. Anything can happen at this point. Have an open mind, enjoy the hype, and remember that you'll only be disappointed for a week when all is said and done!

 

[ReyVGM]

Guys, temper your expectations.

The most we'll probably hear at this investor's meeting is the final name of the console. They won't talk about specs because investors don't know or care about that.

They might show the design of the console IF they have some weird new controller. In that case they'll get the console design out of the way and focus on the controller at E3.
If the controller is not out of the ordinary, then they'll probably just show both at E3.

I doubt they will announce any games at this meeting, but maybe they might mention some 3rd parties they have deals with.

 

[MK_768]

The problem is trying to make the assumption that NX now has to compete with the PS4k thing.

It doesn't unless the PS4K becomes the focus SKU. It won't be for at least year. By then we'll have a good feel for where NX stands.

Guys, temper your expectations.

The most we'll probably hear at this investor's meeting is the final name of the console. They won't talk about specs because investors don't know or care about that.

They might show the design of the console IF they have some weird new controller. In that case they'll get the console design out of the way and focus on the controller at E3.
If the controller is not out of the ordinary, then they'll probably just show both at E3.

I doubt they will announce any games at this meeting, but maybe they might mention some 3rd parties they have deals with.

Here's the thing, I do agree with you about them not really going into specifics about NX at the meeting. HOWEVER, Nintendo would be wise to give their investors something to latch onto with regards to the system. I don't think a name and a design would be enough.

Now whether this means they will show something before the meeting, I don't know. I think it's unlikely but they might.

 

[Malus]

Well, a $300 PS4k killer with free online, a shared library with a $200 handheld that's on-par with XBone, an ergonomic screen controller with remote play for no more than $70, every third-party game ever made, $100 SCDs to increase the power to high-end PC levels, 2-3 AAA per month, and the ability to make toast would be a little difficult to make, to be fair.

Spoiler

I want the built-in toaster.

I think is was from a random YouTuber. It's far-fetched, but then again Trev was a random YouTuber. Anything can happen at this point. Have an open mind, enjoy the hype, and remember that you'll only be disappointed for a week when all is said and done!

Does anybody at least know the name of the youtube channel? I can't find shit.

Guys, temper your expectations.

The most we'll probably hear at this investor's meeting is the final name of the console. They won't talk about specs because investors don't know or care about that.

They might show the design of the console IF they have some weird new controller. In that case they'll get the console design out of the way and focus on the controller at E3.
If the controller is not out of the ordinary, then they'll probably just show both at E3.

I doubt they will announce any games at this meeting, but maybe they might mention some 3rd parties they have deals with.

I'd be ecstatic to get a name.

 

[Roo]

Sony is using the same damn CPU the same goddamn CPU in the PS4. It just has a higher clock speed, the fuck is the point in that.

At the end of the day, Nintendo is indeed using industry leading chips, amirite?

Spoiler

At least until we know what Microsoft is doing lol

 

[Principate]

It doesn't unless the PS4K becomes the focus SKU. It won't be for at least year. By then we'll have a good feel for where NX stands.

It does you'd have be naive to think it doesn't, if they both come out this Christmas consumers aren't going to buy both.

 

[Captain Smoker]

That isn't going to happen. They already revealed they had troubles just getting into HD, do you really think their devs will suddenly jump up to the levels of ND,RaD,SP?

trouble™

Even if they had it at the beginning, you don't see it in their games and it should be a thing of the past anyway.

 

[sfried]

It doesn't unless the PS4K becomes the focus SKU. It won't be for at least year. By then we'll have a good feel for where NX stands.

Even should it become the focus, it will still be considered an "upgrade". The NX will be considered a brand new platform, with "a brand new concept".

 

[MK_768]

It does you'd have be naive to think it doesn't, if they both come out this Christmas consumers aren't going to buy both.

I still don't think here will be much competition amongst PS4K vs NX. Maybe that's my personal bias but I think the value of the PS4K is being overstated on GAF.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

What rumor was that? Was it from a random insider?

We will find out soon, if something big is happening in May 9 we will hear about it in the next couple of weeks.

 

[Nightbird]

trouble™

Even if they had it at the beginning, you don't see it in their games and it should be a thing of the past anyway.

It's kinda hard to believe that this is all happening on hardware of a technical level from 10 years ago.

 

[Vena]

I am 95% certain the PS Neo leaks were purposeful.

Initially? No.

The reveals today? Totally intentional.

 

[Spieler Eins]

The NX is going to be its own thing. Nintendo isn't going to compete directly. You aren't going to see a 3rd similar console on the market.

Please get that through all your collective heads. Accept reality.

Nintendo is only going to provide it with enough power for it to freshen up its 1st party games. It could also revert in power the more their new gimmick does that job for them. Or it could be a combination of gimmick and more power but they are bound by pricepoint.

Nintendo is all about creating new unique experiences using cheap tech in creative ways. They are also focused on new ways to PLAY. That's what you're going to get. Iwata said that if they swing and miss then they will try again with another new unique product the next time around. That's their mentality. And the new CEO also has said the NX is a new concept.

If you want a console as powerful as a PS4 then buy a PS4.

Nintendo is in the same market as Sony and MS, they are inherently competing with each other.
WiiU is failing because it's in direct competition with PS4 and compared to that, it's simply a bad videogame product. In fact, saying Nintendo is going a sole path of ,,creativity" is laughable, considering how creatively bankrupt the WiiU is. It's a crippled NDS for the TV and barely any of their own developers had any good ideas for it, so the software is mostly Wii/3DS rehashes. To consumers, it's one out of three console choices and it's the worst one. I.e. Nintendo is not at all separated from the rest of the industry, regardless of your narrative.

Maybe they can come up with an actual innovative concept that's competitive again, like the Wii. But considering their last 2 gimmicks (i.e. almost complete redundancies), they'd be better off aiming for competitive power first. ...or they do another WiiU and leave the hardware business by the end of this decade. Then they really won't be in direct competition anymore, lol.

 

[Roo]

Man, I love that .gif lol

 

[ffdgh]

Man, I love that .gif lol

I love how the red completely ignores daisy.

 

[MuchoMalo]

That isn't going to happen. They already revealed they had troubles just getting into HD, do you really think their devs will suddenly jump up to the levels of ND,RaD,SP?

Nintendo really shouldn't have ever said that, since it's making you all believe that they're one of the most incompetent companies in the business. Ridiculous. Everyone had trouble with the transition. Nintendo only stands out due to being late to the transition. They have the money to survive and the tools are more mature than they were in 2005. They'll be just fine. They have several of the most talented studios in the business. Using a more modern system and being able to easily port engines between handheld and console will accelerate their output even more. Nothing to worry about.



I wish someone could give us a little hint on the gimmick though. There's nothing left to speculate now.

 

[Pancake Mix]

It does you'd have be naive to think it doesn't, if they both come out this Christmas consumers aren't going to buy both.

You'd have to be naive to assume the mainstream market will automatically buy an incremental upgrade of a home console over what will probably be on sale: the vanilla PS4. We should wait and see first. It will sell well because it's a PS4, sure, but vanilla PS4 sales could give it a rough holiday this Christmas. We don't know yet.

 

[Massa]

Nintendo is in the same market as Sony and MS, they are inherently competing with each other.

They haven't been in the same market for a decade. The target audience for Nintendo games is mostly playing on mobile devices, not playing Destiny or The Division on Playstation/Xbox.

 

[MacTag]

It's kinda hard to believe that this is all happening on hardware of a technical level from 10 years ago.

More like 8 years ago (R700 based custom GPU). Still much older than what Nintendo should've targeted with Wii U in 2011/2012 though.

 

[Rodin]

Guys, temper your expectations.

The most we'll probably hear at this investor's meeting is the final name of the console. They won't talk about specs because investors don't know or care about that.

They might show the design of the console IF they have some weird new controller. In that case they'll get the console design out of the way and focus on the controller at E3.
If the controller is not out of the ordinary, then they'll probably just show both at E3.

I doubt they will announce any games at this meeting, but maybe they might mention some 3rd parties they have deals with.

...

It's kinda hard to believe that this is all happening on hardware of a technical level from 10 years ago.

Wii U's GPU is based on hardware that came out in 2008 and has features from newer gens, so i'm not sure that's correct. Either way i agree, it's still impressive for a 33W box.

That isn't going to happen. They already revealed they had troubles just getting into HD, do you really think their devs will suddenly jump up to the levels of ND,RaD,SP?

What is this post lol. Despite all the initial problems they had with HD, EAD's first game in HD is almost a full generational leap compared to ND's first HD title. Regardless, i'm really not sure what your point is considering that now they're perfectly used to HD development, programmable shaders, modern architectures, etc.

 

[bachikarn]

That isn't going to happen. They already revealed they had troubles just getting into HD, do you really think their devs will suddenly jump up to the levels of ND,RaD,SP?

That was like 4 years ago. Also, more powerful systems can actually make it easier for development.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I knew that people would find their way to discover a new thread to discuss more about Nintendo NX. I can't really blame any of you since new Nintendo console is pretty exciting.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Nintendo is in the same market as Sony and MS, they are inherently competing with each other.
WiiU is failing because it's in direct competition with PS4 and compared to that, it's simply a bad videogame product. In fact, saying Nintendo is going a sole path of ,,creativity" is laughable, considering how creatively bankrupt the WiiU is. It's a crippled NDS for the TV and barely any of their own developers had any good ideas for it, so the software is mostly Wii/3DS rehashes. To consumers, it's one out of three console choices and it's the worst one. I.e. Nintendo is not at all separated from the rest of the industry, regardless of your narrative.

Maybe they can come up with an actual innovative concept that's competitive again, like the Wii. But considering their last 2 gimmicks (i.e. almost complete redundancies), they'd be better off aiming for competitive power first. ...or they do another WiiU and leave the hardware business by the end of this decade. Then they really won't be in direct competition anymore, lol.

Nintendo isn't competing directly. And that means Nintendo is not playing the same game as MS and Sony and trying to make a better widget. The widget being the best standard controller, the best standard online features, and the most cpu/gpu power you can put in a box for a $300-$400 pricepoint. Sony and MS are essentially building the same thing and competing directly on price.

Nintendo, by contrast, wants to win customers by making something unique and new instead of trying to build their version of the same widget that Sony and MS make. Nintendo believes in new ways to PLAY games.

No one said the Wii U is doing good. It's a miss. Nintendo swung and missed in its latest at-bat. . But they swung and hit it out of the park in their previous at-bat with the Wii. The NX represents Nintendo's next at-bat. And they are going to try to hit it out of the ballpark with another unique new experience.

 

[Kissenkopf]

Initially? No.

The reveals today? Totally intentional.

Yep, would say that too.

But that just shows how much been leaked so they had to do something about that.

 

[Samemind]

It's kinda hard to believe that this is all happening on hardware of a technical level from 10 years ago.

Shaders are a magical technology, man.

 

[cacildo]

trouble™

Even if they had it at the beginning, you don't see it in their games and it should be a thing of the past anyway.

I dont even know if more power will mean prettier games when it comes to nintendo

Its already too much. I cant imagine this looking better

They can make it running on higher resolution, but i never see this as something so much better...

(the one thing i wish they used the extra power for is for BIGGER games, with more exploration.
You know, kinda like what every other developer does, but dosent exactly mean fun games? Yeah, i believe nintendo could make it fun

And NO TIMER!)

 

[Rodin]

I dont even know if more power will mean prettier games when it comes to nintendo

Its already too much. I cant imagine this looking better

They can make it running on higher resolution, but i never see this as something so much better...

(the one thing i wish they used the extra power for is for BIGGER games, with more exploration.
You know, kinda like what every other developer does, but dosent exactly mean fun games? Yeah, i believe nintendo could make it fun

And NO TIMER!)

Let's have this conversation again when footage from NX titles is finally out.

 

[cacildo]

Let's have this conversation again when footage from NX titles is finally out.

man, i would be REALLY impressed if they show games looking better than this.

As i said, i cant even imagine what they would look like

(this is pretty exciting!)

 

[MuchoMalo]

This is a trash site, but it's not the first I've heard of this so I think it's worth mentioning: http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/40482-amd-getting-design-wins-for-polaris

If Apple has one of the design wins, something doesn't add up. There are only three known new wins. One is ARM, and the others are x86. It's possible that existing contracts don't count even if new designs are made, but then what's the deal with that third one? This may mean one of three things:

1. Nintendo is definitely using ARM
2. There's no new XBox
3. Nintendo has two designs (one x86 and one ARM, and you can guess what for)
4. Nintendo isn't using AMD at all.

Interesting, huh? I wonder if Nintendo will reveal specs this time.

 

[georly]

trouble™

Even if they had it at the beginning, you don't see it in their games and it should be a thing of the past anyway.

Not only that, but they've since consolidated their portable and console teams to make games more efficiently, sharing expertise, presumably due to a shared/similar architecture between the two purported NX versions.

 

[mikeyvids]

I'm actually -glad- at the NX insiders' fiasco because it means we still know nxt to nothing about it. Will make the official unveil that much more of a surprise.

Or disappointment for those who overhype their expectations because of said fiasco.

 

[Nightbird]

More like 8 years ago (R700 based custom GPU). Still much older than what Nintendo should've targeted with Wii U in 2011/2012 though.

Wii U's GPU is based on hardware that came out in 2008 and has features from newer gens, so i'm not sure that's correct. Either way i agree, it's still impressive for a 33W box.

I know, I know, I just phrased it thus way because the WiiU is comparable to the PS3 in Power, which is in fact a ten year old console.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Does anybody at least know the name of the youtube channel? I can't find shit.

I've been looking for the tweet. No luck. I know that saw it mentioned here when i was lurking. Somewhere in that old thread before the 10 thousand lies one.

 

[MK_768]

Or disappointment for those who overhype their expectations because of said fiasco.

Then those people are idiots tbh lmao.

 

[mikeyvids]

Then those people are idiots tbh lmao.

Agreed. Nintendo always has an interesting hook to the new technology they release. I'm looking forward to an unveiling from the closest we have to Willy Wonka's factory in our era.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Obe1 is going to be disappinted. He overhypes everything. I don't know how this narrative has been created that it's NX vs PS4 Neo as if many people have lost perspective of what's going on in the gaming world with the PS4 being the main SKU right now.

The NX doesn't need to worry about the PS Neo. It needs to be easy to develop for third party devs, have features and great online. We already know Nintendos games will be there and they will look great.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I'm still not expecting anything concrete until E3. Maybe we'll get a name and release window next week.

 

[tr1p1ex]

One of the more solid pieces of information coming from multiple believable "insiders" is that the NX will have better specs than the PS4. It's not hard to see Nintendo trying to make a balanced system with decent specs and 3rd party support after the huge failure of the Wii U. It will probably have a "gimmick" that doesnt weigh the entire system down if it doesnt succeed (like the Wii U or Xbox One).

We have no idea what power the NX will have.

and you're looking in the wrong place for specs. How many times can a company tell you it doesn't care about specs and is all about creating new unique experiences for you to believe them and not believe your own irrational hopes/dreams and internet rumors?!!??

 

[Sadist]

I'm still impressed with the fact that with 56 days to go until E3 we still haven't heard anything regarding the NX. No official word, no details, no nothing. Not even one peep from developers.

Looking back, it was five years ago that Game Informer broke the story regarding the Wii successor. On April the 14th 2011