If it's going to be revealed either this month or at E3, that's not enough time to change the specs of the console.
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If it's going to be revealed either this month or at E3, that's not enough time to change the specs of the console.
As long as Nintendo gets to Ps4/One levels they will be in the right place power wise to enable multiplatform ports and in the sweet spot to target adequate pricepoints.
Trying to catch up Neo levels would put NX in a really bad spot price wise launching against already big established competition user bases.
But NX being on Ps4/One level is still a pretty big "if".
MrPhiliasfrog
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Me too. I'm more interested in seeing what differences they will bring to the table.
That would be insane/hilarious.
Not gonna happen. Such a drastic change would force them to delay it a year or more at a higher price than they'd like and they'll have wasted a ton of R&D. Best case, SCDs help to make it a little closer and the base console is 50% faster than PS4 at $350. Worst case, it's a little better than XBone at $250-300.
I want it to happen just because of how amazing it would make this roller-coaster.
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I'd imagine your sentiment is correct. The machine, I imagine, will be ~PS4 with a better CPU, less energy drain, less noise, some strange features, and some gimmick although probably not as revolutionary as the Wii remote or as cripplingly expensive as the Gamepad. Nintendo games will probably play to the systems strengths while PS4 ports look mostly like PS4 games.
Thing is, as long as the system has something to sell itself on and as long as base PS4 is supported...I think this is okay. I doubt Nintendo was going to smash through by having a more powerful machine than Sony has. Sure, it wouldn't hurt but there are other considerations such as price, gimmick, etc. to consider.
Maybe we'll even end up with a ~Xbox one NX...but I think that the rumors which remain still point at ~PS4 and that's not hard to do.
Waay too late to make this happen.
Interfectum
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Unfortunately the existence of PS4K now brings system power to the forefront across the board. Best we can hope for is NX is competitive.
Good or bad, i think Nintendo's still going to sweep the tech specs under the rug. If they do announce anything other than the name of the chips and who's manufacturing them, it'll be a sign of a new age for the company. I remember how long it took everyone to figure out what the Wii's exact capabilities were. Wii U was easier due to comprehensive leaks.
My thought is they'll get what they can cram into the box at $350 and still break even or go for a small (~$30) loss.
My thought is they'll get what they can cram into the box at $350 and still break even or go for a small (~$30) loss.
MostlyLurking
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This investors meeting is our last hope. Come on, Nintendo! Sony and MS going all in this year with VR, tons of exclusives and new hardware upgrades... As a Nintendo fan, I feel so damn left out
Wait for Shoshinkai!
Dead_Pixel
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I hope this SCD patent turns out to be incorporated into NX. It'll allow Nintendo to launch a base console cheaper then Sony and Microsoft's offerings, but also offer scalability to (potentially) higher levels than the PS4K / Xbox 1.5.
I would imagine that Nintendo isn't just going to rely on power in comparison to Sony's products to sell their platform.
The thing users were questioning in the 10k thread was whether this would create a bottleneck in the opposite direction, though. Why would the CPU be so much more badass but the GPU not proportionately so?
MatrixMan.EXE
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I think it's more of a case of people not knowing what their hook will even be? Likelihood is that they aren't going to strike gold with a gimmick or anything like that, and Mario is no longer enough as evidenced by the Wii U.
So if they have a system that's priced between a PS4 and PS4k, what has Nintendo got going for them? It's a tough one, and definitely an uphill struggle.
Well, I agree, but it is hard to have gimmick talk if that's what you mean
. I at least have no idea what Nintendo could do to gaming and so the only thing I'd be able to mull over is the shared catalog ideas, cartridges, etc. I think we've had that conversation perhaps even more than the power conversation which has taken over as of late.I'm a software gamer and as long as the machine is beautiful and competent, which I would call the Wii U
, I'm okay with the hardware. I'm firstly excited about possible games, then the mere idea that Nintendo could do something cool, and then lastly about Nintendo turning out a fairly powerful machine. I don't even own a PS4 so it's not like port talk is exciting to me--most of those games aren't exciting to me or I get them on PC.That said, there is something to trying to re engage western "core" gaming by cultivating an audience which does care about those games.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Agreed, we know it will be "good" specs so why are people still arguing over semantics
NinjaCoachZ
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If it's true that NX is more powerful than PS4, it should be about as expensive as the base model, but cheaper than the 4K. That would be critical.
Nuh uh the Wii U was a pain in the ass to understand. Even after the teardowns AND the die shots people still had no clue exactly what the specs were since it was so custom. Bleeeh hated not knowing for so long.
This time it might be different if the actually have decent specs to share. Maybe they felt there was no benifit in sharing the specs of a console that was purposefully made underpowered.
Eh, at least we have some tech experts on gaf to create some interesting discussion and theories. There aren't really "secret gimmick/unannounced game" experts here and it just amounts to wishlisting.
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You can't resist the donut controller and augmented reality future.
At this point, I would be perfectly happy with a Console that is on the same level as ps4 with a standard controller for like $250 or under. I just want some badass nintendo games at a quicker release pace. Wii U era has been waaaaaay to slow with releases. Just fix all the mistakes from Wii U and make a console and handled with a shared library and I'l be happy.
From looking at the ps4k specs. The only new part is the gpu.
The cpu and ram looks to be just overcooked.
I think Nintendo can easily have better cpu and ram and sell it at a reasonable price.
The gpu is another matter. I expect Nintendo was looking around 3tflops. If the nx is limiting games to 1080p the difference between nx and ps4k may not be noticeable.
The cpu and ram looks to be just overcooked.
I think Nintendo can easily have better cpu and ram and sell it at a reasonable price.
The gpu is another matter. I expect Nintendo was looking around 3tflops. If the nx is limiting games to 1080p the difference between nx and ps4k may not be noticeable.
Spyder_Monkey
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Unless they announce a specific event, next week is probably going to be nothing.
The problem is trying to make the assumption that NX now has to compete with the PS4k thing.
The NX CPU may be more powerful than the XBOX One's, but a CPU at that level is no badass, it def isnt getting bottlenecked by any GPU more powerful than the PS4s
Edit: meant to say AS powerful as the PS4s GPU. Though it sounds like the NX will likly have a more powerful GPU going by all the believable insiders.
We don't know what the gpu is, so it very well will turn out fine
Well, Rosti's been quoting the Kimishima statement repeatedly about Nintendo "sharing more details of upcoming business at the next meeting." I gotta imagine they'll have to clue in their investors as to what they're investing in eventually.
At the very least I wanna put the 2017 theories to rest.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Next week will be atleast an official something about NX. Nobody is predicting a blow out here.
I wonder what the Neo's launch will do to NX sales. I can see Sony pushing Neo with force this Christmas, and whether Nintendo will get their head in for some recognition of their own is yet to be seen.
What I do know is that this year will be very interesting no matter what happens.
What I do know is that this year will be very interesting no matter what happens.
The NX is going to be its own thing. Nintendo isn't going to compete directly. You aren't going to see a 3rd similar console on the market.
Please get that through all your collective heads. Accept reality.
Nintendo is only going to provide it with enough power for it to freshen up its 1st party games. It could also revert in power the more their new gimmick does that job for them. Or it could be a combination of gimmick and more power but they are bound by pricepoint.
Nintendo is all about creating new unique experiences using cheap tech in creative ways. They are also focused on new ways to PLAY. That's what you're going to get. Iwata said that if they swing and miss then they will try again with another new unique product the next time around. That's their mentality. And the new CEO also has said the NX is a new concept.
If you want a console as powerful as a PS4 then buy a PS4.
Please get that through all your collective heads. Accept reality.
Nintendo is only going to provide it with enough power for it to freshen up its 1st party games. It could also revert in power the more their new gimmick does that job for them. Or it could be a combination of gimmick and more power but they are bound by pricepoint.
Nintendo is all about creating new unique experiences using cheap tech in creative ways. They are also focused on new ways to PLAY. That's what you're going to get. Iwata said that if they swing and miss then they will try again with another new unique product the next time around. That's their mentality. And the new CEO also has said the NX is a new concept.
If you want a console as powerful as a PS4 then buy a PS4.
Although you never know. Wasn't it at an April shareholders meeting that they revealed the wii remote? That gives me hope for this one. They HAVE to speak about NX next week, in order to placate shareholders.
They really can't afford to release NX in 2017. It NEED to come this year
what if i want Nintendo games with ps4 level visuals?
One of the more solid pieces of information coming from multiple believable "insiders" is that the NX will have better specs than the PS4. It's not hard to see Nintendo trying to make a balanced system with decent specs and 3rd party support after the huge failure of the Wii U. It will probably have a "gimmick" that doesnt weigh the entire system down if it doesnt succeed (like the Wii U or Xbox One).
Damn straight.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Buy a PS4?
Yeah I expect at least one shareholder to ask about the NX in a way that Nintendo can't completely ignore it with a generic "we are working on the NX at this time" answer.
Someone should buy some shares in Nintendo just so they can ask them this question. If that's how it works... I doubt it.
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A part of the hardware we know the CPU is better than the PS4's.
Fun fact is that Japanese companies are much less forthcoming to shareholders and often collude to schedule their meetings at the same time so that investors can't possibly attend all of them.
Oh, well I won't get my hopes up too much. They're really going to make us wait till E3, aren't they?
It does though. As the Wii U has shown, you cant just pretend that the competition isn't there. Nintendo doesn't need to top the PS4K, it just needs respectable specs, decent 3rd party support, comparable OS and killer 1st party output.
That isn't going to happen. They already revealed they had troubles just getting into HD, do you really think their devs will suddenly jump up to the levels of ND,RaD,SP?
Well, the first week of May's out because of Golden Week. Sony has their developers conference in Vegas on the May 10/11. I don't think you drop the NX reveal on one of those two days as folks like Trev have hinted that they're going to open up the SDK/ability to order hardware kits once they reveal the console and that would be bad timing for third parties.
Last week of May's Memorial Day week (where not much happens), and then you get into pre-E3 week where you're competing with third party game announcements.
May 12th, May 17-19, May 24-26 are the only dates left that make sense (since Nintendo rarely makes announcements on Mondays or Fridays).
I'm starting to lean towards press event (which could be embargoed to release the date until next week), Direct or press release next week, since they need to get dev kits out.
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Sure. I mean, Nintendo Land looked fine and that was a launch game.
Of course, I don't expect them to go for the super detailed levels of realism like ND, but I expect some very pretty games. I also don't know how to quantify the troubles they had with HD development and how that'll impact a move from Wii U to NX. If anything I think the experience from Wii U can carry over to NX to some extent.
I guess we'll find out soon enough. I already have a PS4 and can't say I'm that interested in VR, so would rather have a new Nintendo and exclusives. It's not like my OG PS4 suddenly stops working overnight, and Sony have made it clear they won't allow that to happen.
First of all, you want the GPU to be the bottleneck in a system. Something has to be the bottleneck, and since the GPU is the most important part you don't want anything to hold it back.
Second, frankly, I don't think that even PS4k's CPU is fast enough to bring the most out of a PS4-level GPU 100% of the time. So, matching PS4k's CPU wouldn't result in anything unbalanced even if the GPU is something like 14CUs @850MHz (right inbetween XBone and PS4).
So, are you saying that LCGeek is wrong about the CPU, or that only the CPU is faster and the GPU is considerably weaker for some reason?
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