Nintendo's FY 2016 has officially begun - The Year of NX

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I agree with what was said a few pages ago about speculating about power rumors being fairly boring. Also in regards to the above, a major factor in Wii U's lack of support apparently had to do with the Wii U devkits and developer tools and support being incredibly lacking, since Nintendo had seemingly grown rather arrogant after the success of the Wii, assuming everyone and their grandmother would want to put games on the Wii U (that's my theory anyway).

That being said, I think there's a good amount of discussion to be had on some of the features (read: gimmick/hook/innovation) that NX might have, based on hints from quotes, the patents filed, what's technologically feasible, etc.

For a new input/control method, I've presented my theory that they could use eye tracking with a camera in the controller in order to allow the user to control games on the TV with their eyes. In other words, look at a certain area on the TV and an aiming reticle moves there, or potentially a lot of other fun uses. It's a gimmick which wouldn't add much at all to the cost of the console, allow devs to just use traditional controls only if they want, and do something which hasn't been done before. Also, we have patents using eye tracking technology, along with the new 3DS using eye tracking in the enhanced 3D tech.

So can anyone here think of other types of control/input methods that correspond to the "brand new concept" and "competitors won't steal our ideas" quotes? Maybe something which Nintendo has previously toyed with, but never focused on? I think we can come up with some great theories if we speculate about that.

It is boring, but we don't even have a hint on what the gimmick could be so... *shrug* I think it would interesting if it's not just another weird controller though and instead something truly different. If it really is a cool and interesting new concept, we'll never think of it. We'd have to think out of the box. The way that they're hyping that up, I think whatever they're doing isn't just an evolution of something we've seen before from them. I also feel like the eye tracking idea is bad since it doesn't work well from a distance or with glasses. If it is something we're seen before though, I'm betting on AR as a counter to VR (and that would still be somewhat cheap).

On another note, that random Spring games preview just 8 days before the investors meeting, where they almost certainly plan to announce when they'll first talk about NX and their next mobile game? Hm...
 
It is boring, but we don't even have a hint on what the gimmick could be so... *shrug* I think it would interesting if it's not just another weird controller though and instead something truly different. If it really is a cool and interesting new concept, we'll never think of it. We'd have to think out of the box. The way that they're hyping that up, I think whatever they're doing isn't just an evolution of something we've seen before from them. I also feel like the eye tracking idea is bad since it doesn't work well from a distance or with glasses. If it is something we're seen before though, I'm betting on AR as a counter to VR (and that would still be somewhat cheap).

On another note, that random Spring games preview just 8 days before the investors meeting, where they almost certainly plan to announce when they'll first talk about NX and their next mobile game? Hm...

One of the recent patents discussed an IR camera which would likely solve the glasses issue, and my proposal has to do with a camera in the controller sensing the user's eyes.

But you're probably right, if they come up with a truly game changing feature then it's likely we wouldn't be able to guess it, though I find that speculation to be a lot more fun than guessing Flops
 
I haven't seen the patents for a while but did they actually talk about gaze direction tracking? I thought it was just about eye/head position.

Nevertheless the eyetracking tech is possible, at least at desktop distances as there's already a pc product that does it. Not sure it would work from the otherside of the room.
 
I'm happy we don't know the gimmick of the NX. We don't need everything leaked. Let Nintendo save it up for a huge reveal when they're ready. The anticipation and mystery just builds as we go along this roller coaster ride called the NX and I love it.
 
I'm happy we don't know the gimmick of the NX. We don't need everything leaked. Let Nintendo save it up for a huge reveal when they're ready. The anticipation and mystery just builds as we go along this roller coaster ride called the NX and I love it.

Same here. I was content on the GamePad 2.0 rumor until it got debunked, but I'm even more excited to see what the big mystery "hook" is now. Nintendo is good at keeping people on their toes and building anticipation. They've done a hell of a job this cycle as far as keeping their secret sauce under wraps.
 
It is boring, but we don't even have a hint on what the gimmick could be so... *shrug* I think it would interesting if it's not just another weird controller though and instead something truly different. If it really is a cool and interesting new concept, we'll never think of it. We'd have to think out of the box. The way that they're hyping that up, I think whatever they're doing isn't just an evolution of something we've seen before from them. I also feel like the eye tracking idea is bad since it doesn't work well from a distance or with glasses. If it is something we're seen before though, I'm betting on AR as a counter to VR (and that would still be somewhat cheap).

On another note, that random Spring games preview just 8 days before the investors meeting, where they almost certainly plan to announce when they'll first talk about NX and their next mobile game? Hm...

Which Spring games preview is this?
 
I haven't seen the patents for a while but did they actually talk about gaze direction tracking? I thought it was just about eye/head position.

I think the specific patent talking about using an IR camera for eye/head sensing is the one I've referred to as the "simulated hologram" patent, which talks about changing the image on the screen based on where the user's head/eyes are, so they haven't patented anything about gaze tracking as far as I know. However I doubt they'd file patent which explicitly shows the big "new concept" or at the very least they would probably submit a non-publication request (where the patent office does not publicly disclose the patent app or any of its documentation) before the reveal.

I'm happy we don't know the gimmick of the NX. We don't need everything leaked. Let Nintendo save it up for a huge reveal when they're ready. The anticipation and mystery just builds as we go along this roller coaster ride called the NX and I love it.

I sort of agree, but I have a lot of fun theorizing and reading through all the theories and speculations here, as well as the tech experts discussion of if something is possible/feasible/at a decent price. It would be kinda neat if we can somehow pull something together which at least slightly matches what they are coming out with, since it takes thinking like Nintendo employees to come up with such an idea.
 
I agree with what was said a few pages ago about speculating about power rumors being fairly boring. Also in regards to the above, a major factor in Wii U's lack of support apparently had to do with the Wii U devkits and developer tools and support being incredibly lacking, since Nintendo had seemingly grown rather arrogant after the success of the Wii, assuming everyone and their grandmother would want to put games on the Wii U (that's my theory anyway).

That being said, I think there's a good amount of discussion to be had on some of the features (read: gimmick/hook/innovation) that NX might have, based on hints from quotes, the patents filed, what's technologically feasible, etc.

For a new input/control method, I've presented my theory that they could use eye tracking with a camera in the controller in order to allow the user to control games on the TV with their eyes. In other words, look at a certain area on the TV and an aiming reticle moves there, or potentially a lot of other fun uses. It's a gimmick which wouldn't add much at all to the cost of the console, allow devs to just use traditional controls only if they want, and do something which hasn't been done before. Also, we have patents using eye tracking technology, along with the new 3DS using eye tracking in the enhanced 3D tech.

So can anyone here think of other types of control/input methods that correspond to the "brand new concept" and "competitors won't steal our ideas" quotes? Maybe something which Nintendo has previously toyed with, but never focused on? I think we can come up with some great theories if we speculate about that.

top 3 things that come to mind are smartphones, VR or AR.

I could see them trying to use smartphones in conjunction with a console because everyone has a smartphone/screen. And they could do cool things when every player has a screen and the console could transfer parts of games to phones for portable use. IT would keep costs down to as far as multiple controller goes. They could pack in a controller shell for use with games that need it.

But Nintendo so far has touted the line that the mobile business is still separate and that their dedicated hardware business will perhaps have even more form factors so that doesn't jive with some of this. And plus the Wii U dealt with a 2nd screen, was a failure and this could be seen as too close to that.


I could see Nintendo doing a version of VR for its games. I don't think Nintendo's requirement for VR would be nearly as high as western developer's requirements. I could see a handheld screen that could be taken out of its controller shell and strapped into goggles like Samsung Gear VR. Games could have some degree of combination of regular 2d screen and VR portions.

ON the other hand a screen strapped to the face seems alienating to Nintendo's family market. Even a cheap solution like Samsung VR would add a lot to the cost.

AR is something Nintendo has messed around with a few times. They had those cards packed in with the 3ds. They have this Pokemon game that combines outside locations/game although don't think they are directly responsible for it. They also did the mini-game Face Raiders which combined your face and environment into the game if I remember correctly. I could see them doing something with this tech. I can't really picture what/how very clearly.
 
top 3 things that come to mind are smartphones, VR or AR.

I could see them trying to use smartphones in conjunction with a console because everyone has a smartphone/screen. And they could do cool things when every player has a screen and the console could transfer parts of games to phones for portable use. IT would keep costs down to as far as multiple controller goes. They could pack in a controller shell for use with games that need it.

But Nintendo so far has touted the line that the mobile business is still separate and that their dedicated hardware business will perhaps have even more form factors so that doesn't jive with some of this. And plus the Wii U dealt with a 2nd screen, was a failure and this could be seen as too close to that.


I could see Nintendo doing a version of VR for its games. I don't think Nintendo's requirement for VR would be nearly as high as western developer's requirements. I could see a handheld screen that could be taken out of its controller shell and strapped into goggles like Samsung Gear VR. Games could have some degree of combination of regular 2d screen and VR portions.

ON the other hand a screen strapped to the face seems alienating to Nintendo's family market. Even a cheap solution like Samsung VR would add a lot to the cost.

AR is something Nintendo has messed around with a few times. They had those cards packed in with the 3ds. They have this Pokemon game that combines outside locations/game although don't think they are directly responsible for it. They also did the mini-game Face Raiders which combined your face and environment into the game if I remember correctly. I could see them doing something with this tech. I can't really picture what/how very clearly.

This is similar to an idea I thought of before. They could launch a fairly standard console that works with smartphones via an app and also make their controller usable with phones for mobile gaming, meaning that they can keep the second screen idea alive without taking away a huge amount of the BOM, they can make mobile games compatible with the controller, and they can increase the value of the controller in general. They can also bundle a controller with a screen into a premium pand and make the handheld usable as one. Combine this all with AR, and you can have a well-priced, high-value console with a fun gimmick that doesn't hurt anything and that nobody (meaning devs) has to use if they don't want to.
 
This is similar to an idea I thought of before. They could launch a fairly standard console that works with smartphones via an app and also make their controller usable with phones for mobile gaming, meaning that they can keep the second screen idea alive without taking away a huge amount of the BOM, they can make mobile games compatible with the controller, and they can increase the value of the controller in general. They can also bundle a controller with a screen into a premium pand and make the handheld usable as one. Combine this all with AR, and you can have a well-priced, high-value console with a fun gimmick that doesn't hurt anything and that nobody (meaning devs) has to use if they don't want to.

That sounds like a slightly more interactive smartglass which, while not necessarily unwelcome, doesn't seem to be a "new concept" like Iwata and Kimishima have been saying. Could certainly be a part of the whole package, though I personally would love a new streamlined and cheaper gamepad included in every box.

Also when people are saying AR what exactly are you referring to? As far as I know AR is a very broad concept which can refer to a huge amount of interactions between something in game and in the real world. Are most people referring to a camera based AR, like from the 3DS AR cards?
 
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We are now one week away from the 2015 Fiscal Year Earnings Release/Briefing of Nintendo!

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Rösti;201411986 said:
We are now one week away from the 2015 Fiscal Year Earnings Release/Briefing of Nintendo!

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I can't believe I'm quite literally hanging on to Nintendos briefing like it's the second apocalypse. It's not even E3 or anything lol. By the time E3 rolls around NX will be so hyped I'll probably faint from all the cataclysmic announcements...
 
I sort of agree, but I have a lot of fun theorizing and reading through all the theories and speculations here, as well as the tech experts discussion of if something is possible/feasible/at a decent price. It would be kinda neat if we can somehow pull something together which at least slightly matches what they are coming out with, since it takes thinking like Nintendo employees to come up with such an idea.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone has probably guess it sort of right, especially with the whole SCD. I think you guys have had a good conversation on that and Nintendo's other patents.

Same here. I was content on the GamePad 2.0 rumor until it got debunked, but I'm even more excited to see what the big mystery "hook" is now. Nintendo is good at keeping people on their toes and building anticipation. They've done a hell of a job this cycle as far as keeping their secret sauce under wraps.

It's very hard to keep the mouths closed when you're not really in control of the thousands around the world who have the NX and are developing on it. They've definitely done a great job and I don't want to see it get spilled before they reveal it. It feels like we're very close to the reveal. E3 is less than two months away.
 
So what will be happening next week at the time of your post? When should we be expecting informations?
I do not know when the earnings release will be published, but the most recent news conference was held at 10.00 AM JST. April 27, 10.00 AM JST I think we should expect to start getting some information. Most important details will likely come during the briefing the day after however.
 
That sounds like a slightly more interactive smartglass which, while not necessarily unwelcome, doesn't seem to be a "new concept" like Iwata and Kimishima have been saying. Could certainly be a part of the whole package, though I personally would love a new streamlined and cheaper gamepad included in every box.

Also when people are saying AR what exactly are you referring to? As far as I know AR is a very broad concept which can refer to a huge amount of interactions between something in game and in the real world. Are most people referring to a camera based AR, like from the 3DS AR cards?

Yeah, that's true. I don't really know what a good new concept could be though. You have a point with the eye tracking I guess, but seems like the most useless and gimmicky idea yet. I can't think of a single use for it that tbh... Though, AR doesn't have many either

More along the lines of Pokemon GO is what I was thinking.
 
Rösti;201413686 said:
I do not know when the earnings release will be published, but the most recent news conference was held at 10.00 AM JST. April 27, 10.00 AM JST I think we should expect to start getting some information. Most important details will likely come during the briefing the day after however.
So Wednesday night next week and Tuesday very early morning
 
I can't believe I'm quite literally hanging on to Nintendos briefing like it's the second apocalypse. It's not even E3 or anything lol. By the time E3 rolls around NX will be so hyped I'll probably faint from all the cataclysmic announcements...

You may want to dial down your expectations just a touch, just in case we don't get more substantial info till a bit later on. I hope we'll get some juicy info for sure, just don't want you to be crushed by the weight of your expectations if we don't 😢
 
You may want to dial down your expectations just a touch, just in case we don't get more substantial info till a bit later on. I hope we'll get some juicy info for sure, just don't want you to be crushed by the weight of your expectations if we don't 😢

Just keep your expectations at Kimishima will announce when they will officially talk about the NX be it at E3 or sometime before E3. If you keep your expectations there then you'll be fine. If he says anything more than that like the concepts of the system or whatever, then it would be icing on the cake. :)
 
Just keep your expectations at Kimishima will announce when they will officially talk about the NX be it at E3 or sometime before E3. If you keep your expectations there then you'll be fine. If he says anything more than that like the concepts of the system or whatever, then it would be icing on the cake. :)

Exactly. ��

We better get a name for the dang thing.

I'm still sticking with my guess: The N1

And we've got the perfect tagline: the "all in one entertainment system."
 
Yeah, that's true. I don't really know what a good new concept could be though. You have a point with the eye tracking I guess, but seems like the most useless and gimmicky idea yet. I can't think of a single use for it that tbh... Though, AR doesn't have many either

More along the lines of Pokemon GO is what I was thinking.

Well if it's done the way I'm theorizing (if it's even possible) you would literally be using pointer controls with your eyes. So, the gamepad camera would constantly be sensing your eye position and gaze direction, and that would cooperate with the console and a sensor-bar like TV mounted sensor which determines the position and size of the TV. That way, the CPU can determine exactly where on the screen your eyes are directed towards, based on your location relative to the TV, your eye location and position, the location of the TV relative to the console and the size of the TV screen.

That gets you pointer controls without having to use a pointer-like remote. So for possible uses, think of any FPS- instead of dual analogs or even gyro controls, you look at a location and your weapon is aimed there (though that might completely remove any difficulty, so it probably wouldn't be implemented like that).

Another example- take Star Fox Zero: on Wii U you need to look at the gamepad and use the gyro controls in order to change the position of the targeting reticle without changing the flying direction of the ship. With the above setup you can look at a particular location on the screen to move the reticle there, while controlling the motion of the ship with the dual analogs.

I'm sure others could think of many more examples. It's essentially adding a built in pointer remote to the user's head, so that they get a whole other layer of control added to the experience separate from the controller itself.

You may want to dial down your expectations just a touch, just in case we don't get more substantial info till a bit later on. I hope we'll get some juicy info for sure, just don't want you to be crushed by the weight of your expectations if we don't ��

Also this, let's not automatically assume the briefing will contain any interesting NX info. It very well could, but let's try to avoid meltdowns this time!
 
We better get a name for the dang thing.

I'm still sticking with my guess: The N1

So much this.
Give us a freaking name at least.

Exactly. 😊



And we've got the perfect tagline: the "all in one entertainment system."
The not gonna gives us no name unless they reveal it.

And that name and tagline is too much like the Xbox One. The xbox one was "the all in one entertainment system" at one point.
 
When you kind of look at it hasn't all of Nintendo's systems been named after a gimmick or what the main focus of the system is?

NES- It's an entertainment system
SNES- It's a super entertainment system!
Gameboy/Advance- Boys play games of course!
N64- 64 bit?
Gamecube- It's a cube shaped box that plays games lol
DS- Dual Screens
Wii- "we" play together..."ii" is a representation of two people or maybe Wii remotes?
Wii U- Wii + U with the "U" focusing on the singular gamepad...maybe that's a stretch?

Well, maybe they all don't work out like that, but there could be some implementation though of the consoles gimmick or hardware incorporated into the name.
 
There's no way this Financial thing will have any juicy details.

No-one knows this event is coming except for the diehard nerds like us who suck up every drop of Nintendo we can get our grubby lips on.

E3 is where it's gonna happen.
 
Well if it's done the way I'm theorizing (if it's even possible) you would literally be using pointer controls with your eyes. So, the gamepad camera would constantly be sensing your eye position and gaze direction, and that would cooperate with the console and a sensor-bar like TV mounted sensor which determines the position and size of the TV. That way, the CPU can determine exactly where on the screen your eyes are directed towards, based on your location relative to the TV, your eye location and position, the location of the TV relative to the console and the size of the TV screen.

That gets you pointer controls without having to use a pointer-like remote. So for possible uses, think of any FPS- instead of dual analogs or even gyro controls, you look at a location and your weapon is aimed there (though that might completely remove any difficulty, so it probably wouldn't be implemented like that).

Another example- take Star Fox Zero: on Wii U you need to look at the gamepad and use the gyro controls in order to change the position of the targeting reticle without changing the flying direction of the ship. With the above setup you can look at a particular location on the screen to move the reticle there, while controlling the motion of the ship with the dual analogs.

I'm sure others could think of many more examples. It's essentially adding a built in pointer remote to the user's head, so that they get a whole other layer of control added to the experience separate from the controller itself.



Also this, let's not automatically assume the briefing will contain any interesting NX info. It very well could, but let's try to avoid meltdowns this time!

I see... The problem is that it seems so situational that either third-parties will be allowed to ignore it and will never use it, or they'll be forced to use it and will choose not to support the system instead.

Oh, I just remembered something. Does everyone remember this indie game made for the NX's controls? I wonder what we can extrapolate from that. Scroll wheels confirmed, maybe? I don't know...

Nobody should expect anything more than an announcement of a Direct/event or them saying "We will reveal details on this new concept at the E3 Expo." That's all we're going to get. Maybe a name.
 
I was on vacation since last Friday didnt check gaf at all, and im a daily user

I come back to some crazyness

doesnt look like I missed any NX info, only missed the fake rumor and it getting debunked

And looks like a bunch of PS4K/NEO info came out

I guess this is the new thread until the next leak haha
 
There's no way this Financial thing will have any juicy details.

No-one knows this event is coming except for the diehard nerds like us who suck up every drop of Nintendo we can get our grubby lips on.

E3 is where it's gonna happen.
Nobody's saying we'll get a legit reveal at the briefing, but I do believe that we'll get a genuine hardware reveal before E3. There's too much going on at E3 for Nintendo to risk getting overshadowed or risk overstuffing their E3 presentation.
 
I see... The problem is that it seems so situational that either third-parties will be allowed to ignore it and will never use it, or they'll be forced to use it and will choose not to support the system instead.

Oh, I just remembered something. Does everyone remember this indie game made for the NX's controls? I wonder what we can extrapolate from that. Scroll wheels confirmed, maybe? I don't know...

Nobody should expect anything more than an announcement of a Direct/event or them saying "We will reveal details on this new concept at the E3 Expo." That's all we're going to get. Maybe a name.

Link's not working for me... banned site?

And about third parties, I think it's actually a GOOD thing to have a gimmick which third parties won't be forced to use, since third parties seemingly aren't at all interested in branching out or experimenting with new control methods, besides I guess Ubisoft (ZombiU was awesome, let's be honest)
 
Yeah, really thinking that if Nintendo haven't hyped up anything for next week at all, then we won't be getting much info. Not until E3 or possibly an event in May that Nintendo advertise in advance.

You want a new console reveal to be a big thing.
 
All your games N1 place

Come on, this stuff writes itself.
Hire me Nintendo! Let me join your marketing team!
if any Nintendo employee is reading this I'm being completely serious
 
Yeah, really thinking that if Nintendo haven't hyped up anything for next week at all, then we won't be getting much info. Not until E3 or possibly an event in May that Nintendo advertise in advance.

You want a new console reveal to be a big thing.
Man... there are still going to be a several threads, articles made regarding this event. They are going to be revealing some clutch information.
 
All your games N1 place

Come on, this stuff writes itself.
Hire me Nintendo! Let me join your marketing team!
if any Nintendo employee is reading this I'm being completely serious

____ will save the NX.

Mario - nope
Zelda - nope
Shared Library - nah

PUNS! -
nope

But we'll go with it anyways.
 
Link's not working for me... banned site?

And about third parties, I think it's actually a GOOD thing to have a gimmick which third parties won't be forced to use, since third parties seemingly aren't at all interested in branching out or experimenting with new control methods, besides I guess Ubisoft (ZombiU was awesome, let's be honest)

Banned site. One sec.

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/d...on-nintendo-nx-indie-game-and-its-controller/


And while I agree, I still think it should be something that some third parties want to use. I can't even see Nintendo's internal teams coming up with a lot of uses for that.
 
Nobody's saying we'll get a legit reveal at the briefing, but I do believe that we'll get a genuine hardware reveal before E3. There's too much going on at E3 for Nintendo to risk getting overshadowed or risk overstuffing their E3 presentation.

Maybe they'll announce a May Reveal Event next week.
 
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