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I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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NotoriousPUG
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I have yet to see Civil War, but if it's anything like the first 2 Avengers, BvS is way better to me. I think a lot of it falls on the action and the comedic tone.
The action in the Avengers movies is just so clowny and lightweight. Seeing Captain America throw his shield and watch it bounce off 4-5 guys in random directions took its toll on me in Avengers 2. There's just never any danger. There's also a dream sequence where Tony sees all the dead Avengers in a pile and not a single one is bleeding. Finally he stares at Captain America long enough and he finally gets a nose bleed. There is just no weight behind anything and that makes it hard to care.
The action in the Avengers movies is just so clowny and lightweight. Seeing Captain America throw his shield and watch it bounce off 4-5 guys in random directions took its toll on me in Avengers 2. There's just never any danger. There's also a dream sequence where Tony sees all the dead Avengers in a pile and not a single one is bleeding. Finally he stares at Captain America long enough and he finally gets a nose bleed. There is just no weight behind anything and that makes it hard to care.
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WrenchNinja
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I don't know, it seems pretty crazy to try to balance 12 superheroes on film on top of a bunch of other supporting characters, give each of them screen time and some storyline of their own while also dealing with the main storyline of the title character
That seems like a tower of cards that could collapse pretty easily
Well the movie opens with Bruce falling down into the cave again and he got a lift from bats. That counts as a dream. About the scene I was talking about; I just don't care for the scene at all. It didn't add anything honestly. The beginning of the movie (the destruction of Metropolis) and some comments from Bruce during the movie were enough to show us that he doesn't trust Superman. To me this scene was just the usual Snyder thinking "I need a cool scene to show of some visuals." Nothing more.
Well sure; what I meant to say was, why would he create Doomsday? It makes no sense to me.
Again, I heard everything he said and it makes no sense to me. He sounds like a pouty, broken kid who is angry at the world.
A smart detective wouldn't throw the evidence out and have to go back for it, almost drowning.
Well, duh. But you have to realize that I live in the Netherlands and we don't have much of a comic culture here. During the movie others did know she was the woman who Bruce met during Lex's party, but they didn't really know it was Wonder Woman.
It was terrible. The piss thing for example? I actually laughed during that particular scene. Nothing really stuck regarding Lex's dialogue. It was a bad attempt to copy Ledger's Joker.
I let some things out because there where questions I did know for myself, but I was just summarizing what others would have asked if they go in blank. BvS does a horrible job of explaining it's world to the audience. If you don't believe me that's fine, but I think it does so.
Undead Fantasy
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What he said.
What did he mean by this?
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"If you like BvS, youre an awful person"
"Just admit that its a bad movie, its okay that you like it, but just admit its bad on record, okay pal?"
Why do this feel like a suspect in a police interrogation lol
Good poster, Shit poster
"Just admit that its a bad movie, its okay that you like it, but just admit its bad on record, okay pal?"
Why do this feel like a suspect in a police interrogation lol
Good poster, Shit poster
CW is the second real Marvel "film", after TWS. The way they managed stakes was really great and admirable, I never thought I was going to see that. The final act is second only to TDK in the genre imo. Go see it, it's a different breed of Marvel movie.
benjipwns
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Barry is sending a message as he runs back through time, a very similar thing happens in Crisis on Infinite Earths where Barry tries to get a message back to Bruce in like issue #2, that you don't see him send until like eight issues later or something.
Backup plan.
Also, he probably never intended to honor the arrangement with Supes.
What the fuck is this shit
See I have no problems with that or the Knightmare dream being like a vision of the future. The problem arises when they make that the 3rd dream sequence and this is the one that is supposed to deal with the future.
Im going to go a head and say that Im with you. baby!!!
I recently saw Civil War and what a piece of boring safe ass garbage, I mean wow, if it wasnt for Panther and Spidey it woould have been worse than the low garbage tier of Marvel movies, people are eating this crap tho, so of course it will make a couple of billion or more.
Im not a crazy fanboy that will defend it no matter what, this movie has flaws, editing is garbage, pacing is all over the fucking place, scene transitions are super jarring, jeez, no time to let it flow gracefully etc.
But is not a BORING movie nor a SAFE ASS MOVIE.
Also what the hell at Thor 2 up there on the poll? lmao random.
I recently saw Civil War and what a piece of boring safe ass garbage, I mean wow, if it wasnt for Panther and Spidey it woould have been worse than the low garbage tier of Marvel movies, people are eating this crap tho, so of course it will make a couple of billion or more.
Im not a crazy fanboy that will defend it no matter what, this movie has flaws, editing is garbage, pacing is all over the fucking place, scene transitions are super jarring, jeez, no time to let it flow gracefully etc.
But is not a BORING movie nor a SAFE ASS MOVIE.
Also what the hell at Thor 2 up there on the poll? lmao random.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
How tense is the final fight?
An idiot calling other people idiots?
ok. civil war is by a different director.
this thread is about subjective comparison between civil war and bvs. what is with people coming in this thread who preemptively say they won't like civil war without even seeing it?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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That thing just doesn't obey the laws of physics!
I love BvS. I haven't seen Civil War yet, but I'm sure I'll love it too. Why? 'Cause I tend to fucking love comic book movies. Nothing I've seen since Green Lantern has been as terrible as GAF likes to make out. Thor 2 and BvS are solid, good movies. Green Lantern and Spider Man 3 are probably the only two comic book movies since X-Men started the superhero renaissance on film that I feel comfortable just called bad films.
But anyway, I'll never understand the need to fight over whose opinions are "right" or "wrong". We're all watching finished pieces of an artists work, and as such our opinions of it at the end of the day are entirely subjective. I don't give a fuck what BvS's RT score, I enjoyed it. Same goes for any film, or album, or any other art.
But anyway, I'll never understand the need to fight over whose opinions are "right" or "wrong". We're all watching finished pieces of an artists work, and as such our opinions of it at the end of the day are entirely subjective. I don't give a fuck what BvS's RT score, I enjoyed it. Same goes for any film, or album, or any other art.
Uhh... Not that I disagree that CV played it too safe (actually, that is one of my complaints) but how could you argue that BvS was any different?? Clearly Supes isn't dead, and Snyder even went to great lengths to let the audience know that it was okay to see Metropolis turned to dust again because everyone went home for the evening.
Come on now.
Tense AF
Even though Civil War was a competent and entertaining film, the actual plot was disappointing (to me). They could have done with less characters to tighten things up, but it delivered on the "cool superhero action including BP and Spidey" aspect, which is what most audiences are going to prioritize anyways. Worth the two and half hours and $10-15 for most, I'd figure.
My butt-cheeks were clenched it was so tense. The whole cinema was silent and holding their breath. One of the best fights in a superhero movie ever.
Indigo_Plateau
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Why?
BvS was both safe and boring. I really don't understand what people who say it was ambitious are talking about.
Ding ding ding ding ding.
I don't see what was ambitious about Batman v Superman.
Glass Rebel
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Super tense and better than anything in BvS
DarkJediKnight
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Say it with me:
Batman Vs Superman is SHIT! I had high hopes for this movie but it was your typical Snyder shitshow as always.
Batman Vs Superman is SHIT! I had high hopes for this movie but it was your typical Snyder shitshow as always.
DarkJediKnight
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That says a lot considering they reduced the most emotionally charged fight in the history of comic books to nothing.
I enjoyed it over civil war as well. Critisms for BvS that I constantly hear like "editing"," grimdark", "Martha"," flash scene", are things I didn't have a problem with. I liked the dark tone of BvS as you don't get that in the safe comic book movies of today aimed at children. So it was really refreshing watching a superhero film more for adults and wished they went for that R rating.
Also I don't care to argue with anyone over my opinion or how I'm objectively wrong. People like different things and that's OK, just because your opinion is in the majority doesn't make it fact.
Also I don't care to argue with anyone over my opinion or how I'm objectively wrong. People like different things and that's OK, just because your opinion is in the majority doesn't make it fact.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
I thought I read the title wrong and then I realized I actually did read it correctly and laughed about it.
Civil War is miles better then the dumpster fire that BvS was. I legit don't understand how someone could watch both movies and think BvS is a superior movie. It seems unfathomable.
But hey thats what opinions are for.
Civil War is miles better then the dumpster fire that BvS was. I legit don't understand how someone could watch both movies and think BvS is a superior movie. It seems unfathomable.
But hey thats what opinions are for.
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Lord Virgin
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Fair enough. Though it was only him being lifted by the Bats was the dream part and was barely a minute long.
Like I said; for me it added another layer of why Bruce is so paranoid. This dude has seen some shit and now is having nightmares about what could (and actually has) happen. He was there during Metropolis yeah, but with the dream we know its keeping him up at night. That is the impact it had on him. Its possibly also foreshadowing of what might happen in JL.
He learned about this creature and saw it as a chance to destroy Superman, this is not a guy who is mentally stable and did not care about what could have happened if Doomsday is let loose. And at that point he basically lost it after being in that ship for so long with the boxes.
He basically is that, but with daddy-issues and Darkseid manipulating him.
Evidence? It is the weapon her BF almost got killed with and wanted to get rid of, she was actually later on smart enough to realize (and this is a plot device) they needed that weapon without anyone explaining it to her. The movie did not need this no, but calling Lois dumb (who has discovered Supermans identity in like a week and does some really NCIS shit figuring things out with the bullet and all) isnt really fair.
I live in the Netherlands as well
But they basically did not know her story, fair enough. But she did not needed to introduce herself, the audience knew she was that woman and that is all was needed. Hmm, agree to disagree here. I thought there were some great lines, like Bruce telling the difference between what his parents teached him vs what Clark had been told by his parents.
As long as we are being anecdotal; I went with my nephew and friend, both whom havent read a comic in their life and basically got it all except for Flash. This doesnt say shit I know, but imo there was enough hints, visuals that did the job without hitting the audience over the head with exposition (something people complain about all the time, but clearly need).
ThirtyPlus
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The Wakandan people frown upon your shenanigans.
Yeezus H. Christ
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It's the only good thing about the Doomsday fight, but it doesn't justify it at all, lmao.
Also, can someone tell me why the Batmobile scene was so poorly shot?
To be honest, I'm not sure either. When I watched it I got the feeling that it was trying to be different or say something important, but yeah there was so much lost in translation that I dunno.
Would you say that it was a Civil Bore?
PadWarrior
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The 6 hour uncut rated r version will surely help people see what a masterpiece bvs is.
Gotta wait for that bluray commentary.
Six hours of Ben Affleck making this face while Snyder rambles and Cavill tries to remind people that he was legit in the Man from Uncle
PadWarrior
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Lol!!!Six hours of Ben Affleck making this face while Snyder rambles and Cavill tries to remind people that he was legit in the Man from Uncle
Six hours of Ben Affleck making this face while Snyder rambles and Cavill tries to remind people that he was legit in the Man from Uncle
When Ben Affleck's Batman was first revealed, people made fun of how sad batman looked.
And now, that's the last piece of Batman Related media I've seen Affleck in.
Perfect book ends. It's like poetry, they something something.
Lol I can't help but look down on anyone who calls civil war a safe movie. That makes no goddamn sense. It's an empty, frankly pathetic criticism that no one who uses seems to ever elaborate on because it completely falls apart the moment you try to defend it. And I'm expecting we'll see that brain dead complaint more and more, just like the worthless no stakes bullshit.
Yeezus H. Christ
Banned
Sad Affleck meme was perfect. Perfect timing, perfect music, everything.
benjipwns
Banned
The cut scene they immediately put up on YouTube was so stupid to cut out, it's the only thing that helps makes Luthor's rantings make any sense. Especially at the end.
Really should have been two films. The Batman v. Superman court case manipulated from the shadows by Luthor who's revealed at the end or something. THEN do a film where they have to round up the Justice League to stop Luthor's scheme, could still be Doomsday or whatever.
The film has no room to deal with the ramifications of Superman that it wants to because it has to run through all of Lex's crap and Lois' adventure and so on.
Superman's clear "villain" should have just been public opinion, with Batman as the manifestation of that fear and for the punching scenes.
EDIT: I've got a similar beef for Civil War, especially because of how many characters it tries to juggle.
Also, I may just not be able to handle two and a half hour long movies anymore.
Really should have been two films. The Batman v. Superman court case manipulated from the shadows by Luthor who's revealed at the end or something. THEN do a film where they have to round up the Justice League to stop Luthor's scheme, could still be Doomsday or whatever.
The film has no room to deal with the ramifications of Superman that it wants to because it has to run through all of Lex's crap and Lois' adventure and so on.
Superman's clear "villain" should have just been public opinion, with Batman as the manifestation of that fear and for the punching scenes.
EDIT: I've got a similar beef for Civil War, especially because of how many characters it tries to juggle.
Also, I may just not be able to handle two and a half hour long movies anymore.
What was not safe about it? I only ask because if Civil War is unsafe it kills any argument that BvS was safe since the two share almost identical plot lines. The main difference being quality of execution.
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Lord Virgin
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I didn't like both, but Civil War was more surprising for me since I really expected something good there, but was let down. Civil War was a disappointment that still had its moments, whereas BvS was total trash. Guardians and Ant-man were the last two superhero movies I really enjoyed.
Bottom Line: I can't wait til Guardians 2, need more of that James Gunn magic
Bottom Line: I can't wait til Guardians 2, need more of that James Gunn magic
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