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You'd be surprised how many people enjoy Speed Racer
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Visually, it's a pretty damn impressive film.
 
You'd be surprised how many people enjoy Speed Racer
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Yep...its a damn shame too. That movie reminded me so much of the original show, but never lost sight of being a good work on its own either.

Def the best big budget live action anime adaption ever done
 
Eh, I guess Tomb Raider just resonated with the IGN reviewer more. She might be in the minority with her opinion, but I'm in the minority in thinking Speed Racer is one of the best movies ever. Sometimes certain works speak to individuals in a different way than the majority.

The irony is that this specific individual's review, like any review for other games....

They end up indirectly affecting sales of games, and determining whether or not game developers get bonuses or not, or whether or not they can get a contract to make another game.

Even sometimes these reviewers "scores" are directly impacting whether or not developers receive bonuses or not.... lol. It's silly but that's the way the industry has gone.... haha.

It's amazing how powerful the review system is in the gaming segment. I always find the relationship between game publishers and game reviewers to be incredibly suspicious and at risk for abuse from all sides.

And also why is IGN's reviewers getting the privilege of having their opinion weight 2.0x other reviewers opinions?

It's basically like creating a silly Oscars review panel based on seniority of the review site (and nothing else).

At the end of the day, reviews are just a bunch of just as poorly formed opinions as everyone else could come up with just as easily, it's true. And yet they affect games developers pretty strongly.
 
That bar is so high hum?

Its not...but i would say being pretty good on your own, as well as faithful as an adaption is pretty hard of an accomplishment, but the Wachowski's pulled it off.

But its failure destroyed any major chance of publishers looking at anime adaptions for a long time.
 
U4's gunplay is a lot better than TR's (that's not to say it's the best, IMO Max Payne 3's is still top tier for me), graphics is a no contest.

TR tried to do TLOU's open approach to encounters, and I thought it was okay, but U4 brings it up a notch. Even without the open world compares to TR, U4's environments are HUGE. I watched KindaFunny's review and totally agree with the first playthrough, where you take a path thinking it's the correct one, but it turns out to just be a detour with enemies and/or treasure to find. My second playthrough was much shorter, knowing where to go, just like TLOU. TR has nothing on that.

I'm not upset about the IGN review, just wanted to say my thoughts about the two games. IMO U4 is a 9.5 while TR is 8.5. U4, as a package, is just much, much better.
 
There's what I would consider good "crap" films. These films I enjoy, but I wouldn't go as far as referring to the best ever, lol.

Good example for me: Shoot 'em up
Nah, Speed Racer is legit good. The reason most people hate it is because of the jarring visuals (and probably Sprital and ChimChim). But that's a discussion for another thread :P
 
Nah, Speed Racer is legit good. The reason most people hate it is because of the jarring visuals (and probably Sprital and ChimChim). But that's a discussion for another thread :P
I loved the movie :P thought it was good fun and led me to watching the anime. Before that I had only seen a few episodes here and there as a 4 year old.
 
So have any of the reviews mentioned if you can have multiple saves?

Wife wants to play the game before me and I don't want to watch her play damn it!
 
U4's gunplay is a lot better than TR's (that's not to say it's the best, IMO Max Payne 3's is still top tier for me), graphics is a no contest.

TR tried to do TLOU's open approach to encounters, and I thought it was okay, but U4 brings it up a notch. Even without the open world compares to TR, U4's environments are HUGE. I watched KindaFunny's review and totally agree with the first playthrough, where you take a path thinking it's the correct one, but it turns out to just be a detour with enemies and/or treasure to find. My second playthrough was much shorter, knowing where to go, just like TLOU. TR has nothing on that.

I'm not upset about the IGN review, just wanted to say my thoughts about the two games. IMO U4 is a 9.5 while TR is 8.5. U4, as a package, is just much, much better.

Well this is good because I eventually plan on buying TR in a steam sale just like I did with TR 2013 (which I enjoyed the gameplay more than Uncharted 1). Before RotR came out, I kept talking about how great of game it could be if it actually significantly leveraged the TLoU AI system where you can lose enemies and set traps and adopt the more of the survival aspect instead of being an overpowered killer who just needs an upgraded bow (GOAT weapon in TR 2013). From the reviews, it looks like they didn't.
 
The irony is that this specific individual's review, like any review for other games....

They end up indirectly affecting sales of games, and determining whether or not game developers get bonuses or not, or whether or not they can get a contract to make another game.

It's amazing how powerful the review system is in the gaming segment. I always find the relationship between game publishers and game reviewers to be incredibly suspicious and at risk for abuse from all sides.

I don't think they effect sales as much as they used to .
Sure reviews effect some people but it becoming less and less .
They have to many ways to get info on a games now .
 
So have any of the reviews mentioned if you can have multiple saves?

Wife wants to play the game before me and I don't want to watch her play damn it!

Just make her an account on your PS4. Doesn't need a PSN account, just a profile. Saves are separated based on which profile is logged in while playing.
 
Review Scores are dumb. Aggregate sites like Metacritic are dumb but unavoidable. It's so lame.

It's funny how big sites with lower review scores will actually get read/scanned but a high review score will be glossed over after just looking at the number. So much emphasis on the damn number and not the actual content of the review.
 
Why do all those satellite IGN sites have their own reviews, but IGN proper, UK, and AU collectively just publishes one review?
 
Review Scores are dumb. Aggregate sites like Metacritic are dumb but unavoidable. It's so lame.

It's funny how big sites with lower review scores will actually get read/scanned but a high review score will be glossed over after just looking at the number. So much emphasis on the damn number and not the actual content of the review.
Yeah. I think reviews are fine, but everyone needs to drop numbered scores. It just causes controversy. Just tell us if its good or bad, and tell us why.
 
Review Scores are dumb. Aggregate sites like Metacritic are dumb but unavoidable. It's so lame.

It's funny how big sites with lower review scores will actually get read/scanned but a high review score will be glossed over after just looking at the number. So much emphasis on the damn number and not the actual content of the review.

We're talking about IGN review since people who played the game disagree with the review. No meltdown or anything like U3 but every pages we have something like this

The reaction to the ign review shows how much the gaming community needs to grow up.
Some shameful shit.
 
Review Scores are dumb. Aggregate sites like Metacritic are dumb but unavoidable. It's so lame.

It's funny how big sites with lower review scores will actually get read/scanned but a high review score will be glossed over after just looking at the number. So much emphasis on the damn number and not the actual content of the review.

The content for most reviews suck because they generally aren't descriptive enough to me and gloss over details that matter. They're often vague in their criticism. I had this issue with reviews for ModNation Racer's for the PS3. Surprisingly (and you wouldn't know it from all the comments that generally shit on him), Greg Miller gave an actual accurate description of the gameplay and why it worked well, telling me exactly what I needed to know.
 
We're talking about IGN review since people who played the game disagree with the review. No meltdown or anything like U3 but every pages we have something like this

I'm aware. I just feel like if people actually read reviews then they would realize how dumb metacritic is. I've seen dozens of reviews for games with mixed scores but the actual content of said reviews were overall positive even sometimes much more positive then higher marked games. Metacritic is literally a bane on the industry. Needs to die.
 
Review Scores are dumb. Aggregate sites like Metacritic are dumb but unavoidable. It's so lame.

It's funny how big sites with lower review scores will actually get read/scanned but a high review score will be glossed over after just looking at the number. So much emphasis on the damn number and not the actual content of the review.

Implying IGN is a big and high quality site. *cough* *cough*
 
The content for most reviews suck because they generally aren't descriptive enough to me and gloss over details that matter. They're often vague in their criticism. I had this issue with reviews for ModNation Racer's for the PS3. Surprisingly (and you wouldn't know it from all the comments that generally shit on him), Greg Miller gave an actual accurate description of the gameplay and why it worked well, telling me exactly what I needed to know.

Yep, this is my biggest issue with reviews. Scores and all of those issues are just extra fluff to me. Often times, they describe games in general vague terms that really doesn't tell me much.

And really, I find most reviewers aren't capable enough to discuss nuanced mechanics for a lot of titles to begin with.
 
Review Scores are dumb. Aggregate sites like Metacritic are dumb but unavoidable. It's so lame.

It's funny how big sites with lower review scores will actually get read/scanned but a high review score will be glossed over after just looking at the number. So much emphasis on the damn number and not the actual content of the review.

I find review scores and metacritic scores very valuable when buying a game, maybe you don't but I appreciate a review score with a pros and cons table.
 
Why do all those satellite IGN sites have their own reviews, but IGN proper, UK, and AU collectively just publishes one review?

I'm assuming it's just a language thing. IGN, UK, AU, and Canada all are English, so there's no point in having separate reviews. In terms of other countries, it's more effective having their own editors with their own opinions for readers to connect with in their own languages rather than translating the English ones.
 
I'm aware. I just feel like if people actually read reviews then they would realize how dumb metacritic is. I've seen dozens of reviews for games with mixed scores but the actual content of said reviews were overall positive even sometimes much more positive then higher marked games. Metacritic is literally a bane on the industry. Needs to die.

Other media have review aggregation sites like that, but I think gaming is unique in turning reviews into some kind of competitive circle jerking. Maybe I'm wrong, and somewhere there's a thread where people are praying for meltdowns over the upcoming Michelin Guide ratings.

Also, I really liked that Beyond episode. I especially liked the "inside baseball" reflection on how their playtime constraints as reviewers might color their impressions of certain game types. That would be super difficult for me. I love games, but I can't play anything for more than a couple of hours.
 
Other media have review aggregation sites like that, but I think gaming is unique in turning reviews into some kind of competitive circle jerking. Maybe I'm wrong, and somewhere there's a thread where people are praying for meltdowns over the upcoming Michelin Guide ratings.
Films reviews can be competitive, but even that seems to usually only happen over what might be called the "nerd" stuff like Marvel vs DC films.
 
I know it's irrational, but it absolutely does frustrate me that the main IGN site gave Uncharted 4 below a 9 and that the Podcast Beyond guys were kinda down on the game. This is the biggest Playstation game of the generation and the Playstation guys on the biggest gaming site on the Web were way more negative than the vast majority of the industry. It's disappointing to see for someone who listens to their podcasts and would have enjoyed listening to some hype rather than the muted tone toward the game that will likely persist between now and game of the year talks at the end of the year. Especially since many others are calling the game one of the best in this generation. Oh well. It almost certainly won't get Game of the Year on the Web's biggest gaming site and will be underappreciated. That's a shame.
 
I know it's irrational, but it absolutely does frustrate me that the main IGN site gave Uncharted 4 below a 9 and that the Podcast Beyond guys were kinda down on the game. This is the biggest Playstation game of the generation and the Playstation guys on the biggest gaming site on the Web were way more negative than the vast majority of the industry. It's disappointing to see for someone who listens to their podcasts and would have enjoyed listening to some hype rather than the muted tone toward the game that will likely persist between now and game of the year talks at the end of the year. Especially since many others are calling the game one of the best in this generation. Oh well. It almost certainly won't get Game of the Year on the Web's biggest gaming site and will be underappreciated. That's a shame.
It is what it is cant change their minds.
 
This game is the reason I bought a PS4. I have it preordered at amazon, but if I preorder through PSN is there a good chance I can start playing it Monday night?

When do these normally unlock on PS? 9 pst?
 
I know it's irrational, but it absolutely does frustrate me that the main IGN site gave Uncharted 4 below a 9 and that the Podcast Beyond guys were kinda down on the game. This is the biggest Playstation game of the generation and the Playstation guys on the biggest gaming site on the Web were way more negative than the vast majority of the industry. It's disappointing to see for someone who listens to their podcasts and would have enjoyed listening to some hype rather than the muted tone toward the game that will likely persist between now and game of the year talks at the end of the year. Especially since many others are calling the game one of the best in this generation. Oh well. It almost certainly won't get Game of the Year on the Web's biggest gaming site and will be underappreciated. That's a shame.

It is their opinion but I will laugh my ass off if they end up giving it GOTY.
 
I know it's irrational, but it absolutely does frustrate me that the main IGN site gave Uncharted 4 below a 9 and that the Podcast Beyond guys were kinda down on the game. This is the biggest Playstation game of the generation and the Playstation guys on the biggest gaming site on the Web were way more negative than the vast majority of the industry. It's disappointing to see for someone who listens to their podcasts and would have enjoyed listening to some hype rather than the muted tone toward the game that will likely persist between now and game of the year talks at the end of the year. Especially since many others are calling the game one of the best in this generation. Oh well. It almost certainly won't get Game of the Year on the Web's biggest gaming site and will be underappreciated. That's a shame.

So you don't want them to rate the game based on how they feel about it, but by how it's positioned in the market and some sort of brand loyalty. Irrational is only the tip of the iceberg.
 
The crying i'm seeing over that IGN 8.8 is laughable man. What world are we in when an 8 point fucking 8 is bad. People would hate me if I reviewed games professionally.
 
So you don't want them to rate the game based on how they feel about it, but by how it's positioned in the market and some sort of brand loyalty. Irrational is only the tip of the iceberg.

Where did I say I wanted them to not say how they feel? I don't think you read my post very closely. I said I'm disappointed they feel that way and the fact that they have outlier opinions since I listen to them a lot, and they are very influential.
 
IGN should atleast stick with their score or lower it for the final one.

Raising it would look even more pathetic then the inclusion of scores on a review in progress.

I'm thinking they'll just stick with the 8.8.
 
I'm aware. I just feel like if people actually read reviews then they would realize how dumb metacritic is. I've seen dozens of reviews for games with mixed scores but the actual content of said reviews were overall positive even sometimes much more positive then higher marked games. Metacritic is literally a bane on the industry. Needs to die.

You are right, but the problem is that nobody has time to read all the reviews. This game has so many 10s that I pretty sure nobody went and read those. The only reviews we tend to go back and read over are the ones that differ from the norm. But if you actually read the reviews, a lot of reviewers felt that there were pacing problems especially in the last part of the game, but for most they are so small in context of everything else the game is doing right. And from the reviews and early impressions, it is doing a whole heck of a lot right. You can't please everyone. Just because everybody else likes something, doesn't mean you have to share their opinion. IGN just thought the game was great, but pointed out the flaws they found with the game.

I am glad IGN gave specific example of what they mean by pacing by saying there are too many crate puzzles at the end. It's better than saying something like Nathan is a serial killer so it gets an 8.5, which is complete bull. I think it nice that not every reviewer suffers from groupthink as the developers will go back and find out the things that could be improved in the next game. If a game is universally praised, developers don't really learn anything. I wish reviewers did that with Grand Theft Auto 4. Because of IGN's review, Naughty Dog's next game is going to be even more amazing.
 
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