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[flaxknuckles]

Since you're not me, I'm gonna have to disagree, since humor is subjective, and the quips constantly took me out of the film. Like the aforementioned falcon quip about his wings, just bad illogical quip right when the tension is rising.

I really liked the movie but the airport scene definitely had my eyes rolling when no one could stop making jokes in what was supposed to be a serious situation. They kept straight up stopping the action for a second just to have a character say something stupid. Like when

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Hawkeye greeted Black Panther or when Spider-Man was talking to Bucky and Falcon

while stuck to the wall. It was like damn, just fight! They never talk this much in other action movies in the middle of the fight scenes.

 

[Raziel]

Lol Why are we spoiling the movie in this thread?

My bad, instinctively thought this was a thread strictly for people that have seen both movies. Edited my original post.

 

[IconGrist]

My bad, instinctively thought this was a thread strictly for people that have seen both movies. Edited my original post.

It's implied but easy enough for someone to cry foul when there's no obvious warning.

 

[onipex]

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The 11th hour revelation that Bucky killed Tony's parents (under mind control no less) and that being the catalyst/fuel for their big fight in the end was the same lazy contrived trash as Lex kidnapping Superman's mom to make him fight Batman. I want to see them fight because their clash of ideologies comes to a head, not because of a misunderstanding and mommy issues. Completely robs the comflict of it's power.

That's how I see it. I will say that the way CW did it was better, but its still lazy.

 

[Killing_Joke]

I liked BVS more. Can get into more details later but everything i didn't like in BVS, i disliked even less in CW. The action beats were nice but that's about it for me.

 

[atr0cious]

That's fair enough, I can't debate your experience.

But the point applies outside the MCU. Does any instance of humor take the gravitas out of any scene, regardless of context? In any movie, in any situation? I can almost guarantee that if you searched long enough, you'd remember a scene you saw that was funny, but still dead serious.

Humor is subjective, but how it's implemented still must be paid attention to, because not all jokes are used the same way.

Action movie quips are usually a way for audiences to have some levity after some rough stuff, but usually at the expense of a bad guy. These movies used it initially as character traits, but now they're becoming the punctuation.

And that's a hard challenge, but off the top of my head, that newish A-Team movie utilises humor like a bludgeon until the action has no stakes and you don't care what happens on screen because it's always "a part of the plan."

 

[Ocarina_117]

Just done watching Civil War, more detailed impressions in the other thread. Solid movie, one of the better offerings from Marvel Studio. Better structured movie than BvS, but not without it's flaws.

I feel like CW was a better movie in terms of selling the plot and the motives behind the conflict between Cap & Tony (though I think the reasons for the accord is silly). CW also handled the cameos much better than BvS did, though I'm more excited seeing the short amount of WW on the screen than BP and Spiderman.

Still I liked Batman's warehouse scene more than anything I saw in Civil War. Nothing gave me feels like when Batman was stabbed or shot in the head and him turning on ragebeast mode, seeing Affleck in action was glorious. I also liked Luthor way more than Zemo. Nothing topped showering Superman with polaroids for me, and

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the bombing scene was done better in BvS than Civil War, most of the dark scenes were.

BvS feels like it has more highs for me, just shots of stuff like Superman returning to Earth after being hit by the nuke, seeing the trinity fight doomsday, the warehouse fight, the first 20 minutes of the movie and some other scenes were great, but there was also more lows than Civil War like the Knightmare and other dream sequences muddying the plot.

So I think Civil War is better constructed, more consistent and has a more sensible plot, but I did enjoy portions of BvS more than anything in civil war, but that's to be expected as I'm a huge fan of the characters.

This is exactly how I feel about both movies as a huge fan of them.

 

[Veelk]

Action movie quips are usually a way for audiences to have some levity after some rough stuff, but usually at the expense of a bad guy. These movies used it initially as character traits, but now they're becoming the punctuation.

And that's a hard challenge, but off the top of my head, that newish A-Team movie utilises humor like a bludgeon until the action has no stakes and you don't care what happens on screen because it's always "a part of the plan."

It can be a punctuation, but they use it consistently well to represent/underpin tension. I gave my example in the other post. "GIVE ME BACK MY RHODEY" does nothing to dissolve the tension despite being a pretty funny line, though of course you might disagree.

 

[Escape Goat]

In the comics, Spider Man uses humor to hide his anxiety. Hes 16 years old who until recently was saving people from muggers and bad drivers. Hes probably super anxious fighting The Avengers.

 

[atr0cious]

well it is hard to take any of your opinions seriously when you say find the 'tone' and 'themes ' of BvS better. If Spidey's inclusion was harmful to the movie, what about the forced inclusion of the Justice League stuff? How was Wonder Woman checking emails thematically or tonally great?

Didn't see this. What are the themes of civil war? Honor, bravery, loyalty? Yawn. BvS asks what would you do in the face of knowing your existence, and faith as it is a Jesus allegory, means shit all in the grand scheme of things, especially when literal Gods and monsters are fighting on your city street. And I have no preference on tone, city of God and fight club are my two favorite films, but I do enjoy a consistent one like in BvS, compared to the movie that can't remember if comedy still means tragedy or not.

Justice league emails were bad, and wonder woman, while used logically in the plot, had little use in the movie and could've been excised as well. But there's a difference between a "detective" scene continued from Bats to Diana, and the tonal clang of dour angry Tony having a great time chatting up May.

 

[SpotAnime]

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The 11th hour revelation that Bucky killed Tony's parents (under mind control no less) and that being the catalyst/fuel for their big fight in the end was the same lazy contrived trash as Lex kidnapping Superman's mom to make him fight Batman. I want to see them fight because their clash of ideologies comes to a head, not because of a misunderstanding and mommy issues. Completely robs the comflict of it's power.

Agreed.

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The parent issues of Stark were no better/worse than those of Bruce Wayne

.

And the fact that

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the whole conflict in Civil War was set up by someone with a rubber mask of Bucky, I mean, Stark could have hacked the systems and figured out that Zemo's blood type and DNA didn't match Bucky's in a second. Not really, but he could have tracked Bucky and found he wasn't even there when it happened, like how they tracked Loki in the first Avengers.

You can't tell me about BvS' story problems and not ignore these easy targets.

Spidey is gonna be Spidey in most situations. No one was out to hurt the other side during the airport scene. I don't see how it is a tonal shift to see certain characters behaving like you would expect them to.

I loved that airport scene but wasn't it a bit meaningless? I mean:

1. The whole Spidey introduction felt like it was pasted in. The Russo's said there was never a plan B if they couldn't get Spider-Man in the film, but they could have easily replaced him with one of the other heroes and it wouldn't have missed a beat. In fact, it might have been better paced since we wouldn't have that whole Stark/Parker introduction.

2. There was never a threat.

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The heroes weren't out to win, they were complimenting eachother throughout the fight, and it felt more like a friendly scrimmage, touch football if you will, rather than two opposing sides.

The only part where things felt real was

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when Tony found out about his parents and let loose on Cap and Bucky

.

3. At the end of it all,

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Cap's team is imprisoned, Stark's team is under house arrest, and Stark gets to roam free?

What kind of deal is that?

4. Sorry, but as mentioned before, Vision is severely nerfed in the MCU. I know he said

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he is still trying to figure out how to harness the power of the infinity stone in his head

, so maybe that's how he's not quite the Vision I am expecting to see here.

I mean it seems pretty simple that he wanted to discredit and defame Superman.

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He sets up the Senate bombing to show he can't rescue everyone.
He doesn't kill or try to kill him with the K... instead he sends him to battle Batman to either die at another's hand or kill a man proving that he isn't all good. While he killed Zod, he was an alien who posed a bigger threat to mankind than Batman ever did
Doomsday was a weird one. It seems like there was no plan with that, but by that point it seems like Luthor had gone off the deep end.
Wish there was a scene that shows when he snaps because it happens and by the end you know it.

this 'plan' of a mad man didn't make sense in the movie and it makes even less with your badly written 'explanation'.

Again, I have no more problem with BvS than I did with CW. Each movie has it's own set of "movie logic" that, given the framework it was presented in, made just as much sense as the other.

Luther comes from a family hellbent on ruling the world. Without superheroes, they would do it through economics or industry. But now there's a "God" on Earth (Supes), and Lex's motivations go from global to... universal. As in the Universe. As in, there's more out there than just stars. Power is everything, and it no longer means anything for him to have absolute power on Earth if there's a greater stage.

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So, he tries to kill off the superheroes on Earth by pitting them against each other, or even inviting those from other worlds to join in on the fight. Who gets to benefit? The guy who orchestrated it all, Lex Luthor. And he made that clear to Wayne at the end of BvS.

It's not so different than what Zemo was trying to do,

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getting the superheroes on Earth to kill each other off, so that there would no longer be any superheroes or supervillains to cause destruction on Earth like in New York, Sokovia, Vienna

. If we're comparing movies, know that Zemo's plan was flawed -

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he was counting on superheroes to kill each other off but ended his plan early without seeing it through. He killed off all of the remaining Winter Soldiers, but even if his plan worked, it would only mean Bucky and either Iron Man or Captain America dead, with everyone else still alive. Society would have turned against the superheroes, much like they did against Superman in BvS after the Capital Hill bombing. But the truth would have been found out posthumously, whereas with Luthor he'd be alive and in charge, presumably, so who cared if the truth came out. And even if two or three superheroes died because of what Zemo did, that would still cause a reaction described by Vision. It might turn into an X-Men situation where it was heroes who blended in with society vs those who would lash out against them, but he could not erase what had already started.

Again, it's movie logic. They both work for their respective movies, and one is no better than the other because of it.

BvS feels like it has more highs for me, just shots of stuff like Superman returning to Earth after being hit by the nuke, seeing the trinity fight doomsday, the warehouse fight, the first 20 minutes of the movie and some other scenes were great, but there was also more lows than Civil War like the Knightmare and other dream sequences muddying the plot.

So I think Civil War is better constructed, more consistent and has a more sensible plot, but I did enjoy portions of BvS more than anything in civil war, but that's to be expected as I'm a huge fan of the characters.

I agree with your post 99%, but I also felt like CW was not as well-paced as BvS. I was generally enthralled with unraveling the mystery in BvS, whereas in CW I was pretty much yawning right up until the awesome airport scene.

 

[GrizzNKev]

Didn't see this. What are the themes of civil war? Honor, bravery, loyalty? Yawn. BvS asks what would you do in the face of knowing your existence, and faith as it is a Jesus allegory, means shit all in the grand scheme of things, especially when literal Gods and monsters are fighting on your city street. And I have no preference on tone, city of God and fight club are my two favorite films, but I do enjoy a consistent one like in BvS, compared to the movie that can't remember if comedy still means tragedy or not.

Justice league emails were bad, and wonder woman, while used logically in the plot, had little use in the movie and could've been excised as well. But there's a difference between a "detective" scene continued from Bats to Diana, and the tonal clang of dour angry Tony having a great time chatting up May.

The theme of BvS made me fucking sick. It was so tryhard and stupid because ultimately it had zero consequence. Two hours of grandiose speeches and throwing around the word "god" only for the entire concept to be forgotten by the end. At least Civil War remembers what it's about the entire length of the movie.

 

[Ahasverus]

The theme of BvS made me fucking sick. It was so tryhard and stupid because ultimately it had zero consequence.

Ehh..

- Superman died
- The congress was bombed
- Luthor went from beloved philantropist to convicted looney
- Batman went from jaded vigilante to hero again
- A second superhuman was revealed and the others are about to be discovered
- The bell has been rung, Darkseid is coming.

Those are five more than zero.

 

[SalvaPot]

Someone should invert the polls results just for fun.

 

[atr0cious]

The theme of BvS made me fucking sick. It was so tryhard and stupid because ultimately it had zero consequence. Two hours of grandiose speeches and throwing around the word "god" only for the entire concept to be forgotten by the end. At least Civil War remembers what it's about the entire length of the movie.

Consequences? Lex and Batman are the consequences.

Also, try hard? The entire movie is built around this theme. And when is asking more questions than "why can't we all just get along" a bad thing?

 

[PsychBat!]

Consequences? Lex and Batman are the consequences.

One is vague in motivation and the other is well set up.

 

[GrizzNKev]

No, of course the plot progressed. The theme itself was pointless. No one ever actually answered what it means to be human or to have power, because the primary conflict is resolved through other means. The bad guy gets locked up and everyone is fine, and yes, that includes superman. This is because the theme and story diverge in the last third of the movie.

 

[Imperfected]

Talking to people about Civil War has yielded a mixture of "X was right, and here's why" and "Cap and Tony were both right" responses.

Talking to people about BvS has mostly yielded "Everyone was wrong and also stupid" responses, with a fair amount of "I don't understand why they were even fighting to begin with."

I'm going to have to say Civil War did a monumentally better job framing the central conflict between the characters, based on that alone.

 

[Eidan]

I have to say, seeing the growing backlash against humor of any kind, context be damned, is a fascinating thing to behold.

The jokes in The Wire were terrible, completely robbed the show of its dramatic weight. I rolled my eyes every time Bunk was on screen!

 

[GrizzNKev]

I have to say, seeing the growing backlash against humor of any kind, context be damned, is a fascinating thing to behold.

From who? Upset DC fans in this thread? Because my theater was laughing so hard I missed some lines in Civil War.

 

[atr0cious]

I have to say, seeing the growing backlash against humor of any kind, context be damned, is a fascinating thing to behold.

The jokes in The Wire were terrible, completely robbed the show of its dramatic weight. I rolled my eyes every time Bunk was on screen!

This is why we can't have an honest conversation about these films here, everything has to be twisted to some hyperbolic point they can argue.

 

[inky]

This is why we can't have an honest conversation about these films here, everything has to be twisted to some hyperbolic point they can argue.

Because the point of "was there a single serious scene without a quip?" isn't hyperbole on your part to begin with?

There were plenty, but you already knew that. That's not what you are interested in arguing tho. Nevermind that this idea that quips and humor in this kind of movie is so offensive to you and others in the first place as if a) it shouldn't exist, b) apparently it isn't there in other examples in the medium, including movies like BvS: "I'm a friend of your son", "Yes, I can tell from the cape", which is actually an obvious example of "humor" that feels completely out of place by your standards. Yes, I was almost burned alive by this dangerous terrorist, but I'll just quip it away because why not!

 

[Nesotenso]

Didn't see this. What are the themes of civil war? Honor, bravery, loyalty? Yawn. BvS asks what would you do in the face of knowing your existence, and faith as it is a Jesus allegory, means shit all in the grand scheme of things, especially when literal Gods and monsters are fighting on your city street. And I have no preference on tone, city of God and fight club are my two favorite films, but I do enjoy a consistent one like in BvS, compared to the movie that can't remember if comedy still means tragedy or not.
.

lol at claiming there was any deeper philosophical underpinning this disjointed mess. but you do you.

 

[Veelk]

This is why we can't have an honest conversation about these films here, everything has to be twisted to some hyperbolic point they can argue.

Then can you spell out the distinction here?

If the thrust of the argument is that humor robs dramatic weight, then how can other things like the Wire be funny and dramatic at the same time? What is the rule of thumb that seperates the different instances?

This is why I think this is more of an issue with humor being part of Marvel's identity now rather than an issue in itself. Because I agree with you, there are some instances throughout the series that jokes were simply unnecessary or unneeded. But it's become a reflex argument where people dismiss the jokes without paying attention as to how they're implemented within the movie. Complaining about Spider-man telling jokes when this is nothing but a fanboy dream come true for him is stupid, and would rob him of his unique identity and view of the situation.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

I haven't seen BvS, and don't intend to sit through 2.5 hours of something that sounds like a mess. That said, just saw Civil War a couple of hours ago and was really disappointed. Its not a *bad* movie necessarily but a massive step down from Winter Soldier.

Outside of the stuff with Spider-Man and the huge airport fight it was hours of watching Captain America do the wrong things and then magically be proven right. Then at the end we find out that the bad guy's master plan was complete non-sense that made the entire movie pointless. Again, there were 45 minutes or so that I really liked, its just surprising to see so many people ignore all of Civil War's clear flaws because of this.

 

[HabeeNo]

Thor 2.

Because Thor 2.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Thor 2.

Because Thor 2.

BEST

 

[Indelible]

Civil War was infinitely better than anything in BvS, Marvel hit the right tone and did justice to every character in the movie whereas DC couldn't even get Superman right.

 

[Makoto Yuki]

Nope.

Batman v Superman was alright, I enjoyed it, but it was too bloated and pandering for my tastes. Batman's ruthlessness was my personal highlight.

Civil War, while feeling like almost like an Averger-lite movie, was more entertaining and better paced in my opinion. Spiderman wasn't even really needed.

They both have problems, but I would watch Civil War again happily.

 

[rokkerkory]

Def not with you but i enjoyed BvS too.

Kinda think Winter Soldier was as good as Civil War though

 

[Ocarina_117]

Civil War was infinitely better than anything in BvS, Marvel hit the right tone and did justice to every character in the movie whereas DC couldn't even get Superman right.

Everyone has their opinions and that's fair. But can we stop with the completely dismissive comments. Off the top of my head, BvS has a fantastic score and brilliant shot framing/ cinematography - both I'd argue objectively better than CW. Comments like this, saying CW was infinitely better in any regard are quite grating on me - especially when they are rarely backed up.

lol at claiming there was any deeper philosophical underpinning this disjointed mess. but you do you.

This is another of the type of comments that annoy. The poster quoted offers an expanded point. Instead of offering discussion, it's just dismissed with a 'lol'. It's quite insulting.

 

[atr0cious]

lol at claiming there was any deeper philosophical underpinning this disjointed mess. but you do you.

There's a scene where a dude prays to the "creator of everything" while an alien with laser eyes cuts around him. If you don't want to think while watching movies that's on you, don't condemn others for doing so.

 

[LightofRohan]

Sounds like ALL delusional DC fans. It's so fucking weird, they just will never admit that the Marvel Universe is absolutely slaughtering them. I sit at lunch with like 5 DC fans, they make fun of ALL MARVEL MOVIES. Then BvS rolls around and they start making excuses for it, like some ugly child that is related to them. They say, "Ya it wasnt the best, but it was fun seeing Batman and Superman go at it! I'd pay just to see them fight!" Then they delve into some deep ass analysis of Marvel films and how the story arcs arent satisfying... you can apply the same fucking logic on Marvel movies if you have to. BUT they all have great stories as well.

It's just the internet bullshit of being delusional and not understanding your ape brain can make mistakes. Their entertainment is not liking something that is popular, but that is unable to compute.

I am a super empathetic person and the lack of human empathy is always astonishing to me.

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I am super tipsy. I shouldnt be commenting. But it's the truth.

 

[KevinCow]

Spider-Man makes jokes as he fights. It's a big part of his character that no movie version up to now has really captured. It's supposed to be ridiculous. Falcon even calls him out on it: "I don't know if you've ever been in a fight before, but there's usually not this much talking."

Ant-Man is played by Paul Rudd. Of course he's going to have some quips here and there.

It has been repeatedly shown in the MCU that Tony is a sarcastic asshat who makes light of serious situations. It's how he copes. It wasn't at all out of character for him to make jokes and quips.

The rest of the cast? Cap, Bucky, Black Widow, Falcon, Rhodey, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Vision, Scarlet Witch? The only quip I remember from any of them was Black Widow's, "We're still friends, right?" to Hawkeye. Other than that, they were pretty serious about the fight.

So I don't really get the "Too many quips" complaint.

 

[Ocarina_117]

Sounds like ALL delusional DC fans. It's so fucking weird, they just will never admit that the Marvel Universe is absolutely slaughtering them. I sit at lunch with like 5 DC fans, they make fun of ALL MARVEL MOVIES. Then BvS rolls around and they start making excuses for it, like some ugly child that is related to them. They say, "Ya it wasnt the best, but it was fun seeing Batman and Superman go at it! I'd pay just to see them fight!" Then they delve into some deep ass analysis of Marvel films and how the story arcs arent satisfying... you can apply the same fucking logic on Marvel movies if you have to. BUT they all have great stories as well.

It's just the internet bullshit of being delusional and not understanding your ape brain can make mistakes. Their entertainment is not liking something that is popular, but that is unable to compute.

I am a super empathetic person and the lack of human empathy is always astonishing to me.

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I am super tipsy. I shouldnt be commenting. But it's the truth.

Cool story, but who in the thread has done this?

 

[guek]

Didn't see this. What are the themes of civil war? Honor, bravery, loyalty? Yawn.

lol, no. You're demanding people take you seriously but it's comments like these that make it extremely difficult.

 

[johnnydrama]

Sounds like ALL delusional DC fans. It's so fucking weird, they just will never admit that the Marvel Universe is absolutely slaughtering them. I sit at lunch with like 5 DC fans, they make fun of ALL MARVEL MOVIES. Then BvS rolls around and they start making excuses for it, like some ugly child that is related to them. They say, "Ya it wasnt the best, but it was fun seeing Batman and Superman go at it! I'd pay just to see them fight!" Then they delve into some deep ass analysis of Marvel films and how the story arcs arent satisfying... you can apply the same fucking logic on Marvel movies if you have to. BUT they all have great stories as well.

It's just the internet bullshit of being delusional and not understanding your ape brain can make mistakes. Their entertainment is not liking something that is popular, but that is unable to compute.

I am a super empathetic person and the lack of human empathy is always astonishing to me.

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I am super tipsy. I shouldnt be commenting. But it's the truth.

Jesus, man, it's just comic book films. Chill out and tell those folks to chill out too.

 

[atr0cious]

Then can you spell out the distinction here?

If the thrust of the argument is that humor robs dramatic weight, then how can other things like the Wire be funny and dramatic at the same time? What is the rule of thumb that seperates the different instances?

The wire uses humor sparingly, especially relative to the mcu. But it also knows when to use it. Like I said before, the writers have leveraged personality quirks into the status quo of how everyone talks and it's become a crutch. Everyone is quipping, and while I was being tongue cheek about every scene, I would like to find how close I was to the truth. Movies can have levity, but when it's at the cost of the film's tonal integrity, there's a problem. Going from you killed innocent people! to any Spider-Man scene was really jarring. Half way through the movie, I realized I was laughing in the middle of a serious scene, and it put me off; especially when this movie is definitely mother's day material for how all the guilt tripping it does.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Spider-Man makes jokes as he fights. It's a big part of his character that no movie version up to now has really captured. It's supposed to be ridiculous. Falcon even calls him out on it: "I don't know if you've ever been in a fight before, but there's usually not this much talking."

Ant-Man is played by Paul Rudd. Of course he's going to have some quips here and there.

It has been repeatedly shown in the MCU that Tony is a sarcastic asshat who makes light of serious situations. It's how he copes. It wasn't at all out of character for him to make jokes and quips.

The rest of the cast? Cap, Bucky, Black Widow, Falcon, Rhodey, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Vision, Scarlet Witch? The only quip I remember from any of them was Black Widow's, "We're still friends, right?" to Hawkeye. Other than that, they were pretty serious about the fight.

So I don't really get the "Too many quips" complaint.

YOU FOOL

>:C

DONT YOU GET IT??? LEGIT SUPERHERO MOVIES HAVE TO BE GRIMDARK

geeeez

 

[inky]

lol, no. You're demanding people take you seriously but it's comments like these that make it extremely difficult.

Only themes worth exploring are those from the movies I like bro. That's how it works.

 

[atr0cious]

lol, no. You're demanding people take you seriously but it's comments like these that make it extremely difficult.

Demanding people to take me seriously in gaf? About film? You must be joking. I'd just like to have a conversation about these films that isn't lol dc fans.

Only themes worth exploring are those from the movies I like bro. That's how it works.

I was specifically responding to comparisons between two movies, and told my preference was "try hard."

 

[Magwik]

Sounds like ALL delusional DC fans. It's so fucking weird, they just will never admit that the Marvel Universe is absolutely slaughtering them. I sit at lunch with like 5 DC fans, they make fun of ALL MARVEL MOVIES. Then BvS rolls around and they start making excuses for it, like some ugly child that is related to them. They say, "Ya it wasnt the best, but it was fun seeing Batman and Superman go at it! I'd pay just to see them fight!" Then they delve into some deep ass analysis of Marvel films and how the story arcs arent satisfying... you can apply the same fucking logic on Marvel movies if you have to. BUT they all have great stories as well.

It's just the internet bullshit of being delusional and not understanding your ape brain can make mistakes. Their entertainment is not liking something that is popular, but that is unable to compute.

I am a super empathetic person and the lack of human empathy is always astonishing to me.

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I am super tipsy. I shouldnt be commenting. But it's the truth.

What the fuck dude

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Civil War was infinitely better than anything in BvS, Marvel hit the right tone and did justice to every character in the movie whereas DC couldn't even get Superman right.

If the right tone for Captain America is Nietzschean ubermensch whose will cannot be constrained by the laws of the common man and should never have any accountability for his actions, then sure.

 

[Nesotenso]

There's a scene where a dude prays to the "creator of everything" while an alien with laser eyes cuts around him. If you don't want to think while watching movies that's on you, don't condemn others for doing so.

it only gets more hilarious that you that think BvS was supposed to be an allegory about Gods and men. Man we sure did learn a lot. I mean people learnt so much that the consensus is that it was a shitty learning experience.

If the right tone for Captain America is Nietzschean ubermensch whose will cannot be constrained by the laws of the common man and should never have any accountability for his actions, then sure.

you must have seen a different movie. Cap never had a problem being blamed for the fallout from his actions. He didn't want to be gun that someone could point to a problem.

 

[atr0cious]

If the right tone for Captain America is Nietzschean ubermensch whose will cannot be constrained by the laws of the common man and should never have any accountability for his actions, then sure.

Ultra libertarian vs ultra capitalist would've been a great sub title.

 

[Ahasverus]

What in the fuck

 

[johnnydrama]

What in the fuck

Most people on here (me included) agree Batman v Superman is a poorly made film, and yet a large chunk of discourse I see in this thread boils down to "lol DC fans". It's hard to have any kind of discussion.

 

[Dead]

it only gets more hilarious that you that think BvS was supposed to be an allegory about Gods and men. Man we sure did learn a lot. I mean people learnt so much that the consensus is that it was a shitty learning experience.

The entire movie is built around the idea that these DC heroes are the modern day mythical gods and one of the major themes is how the modern world would deify such a mythical being such as the Superman and how this intersects with the personal conflicts of Superman himself, Batman and Lex Luthor

It's literally bathed in every facet of the film, from the dialogue, to the visuals, whether it is how the characters are shot to the allusions and symbols made within scene compositions.

Fucking even the director, writer and actors have discussed that this is the theme.

But by all means, go ahead and proceed with the reductive bashing of the idea that the movie may actually be about something. You're probably right, sorry.

 

[Nesotenso]

Most people, on here (me included) agree Batman v Superman is a poorly made film, and yet a large chunk of discourse I see in this thread boils down to "lol DC fans". It's hard to have any kind of discussion.

people are defending BvS by saying that a deleted scene explains character motivations better. That should tell you what you need to know how seriously you can take arguments about BvS and its 'thematic' merits.

But by all means, go ahead and proceed with the reductive bashing of the idea that the movie may actually be about something. You're probably right, sorry.

funny how its grandiose themes didn't resonate with audiences.
Almost like stringing scenes together with no connective thread and a studio agenda to setup future franchises in a piss poor way makes for a bad movie.

It's not like those themes aren't in the movie in the first place,but of course if you cut 30minutes of film 2 months before release things are going to get muddy. I say we will have a whole different discussion in two months.

OP was comparing the theatrical releases of 2 movies. Why bring up deleted scenes to defend one of them?

 

[Ahasverus]

Most people, on here (me included) agree Batman v Superman is a poorly made film, and yet a large chunk of discourse I see in this thread boils down to "lol DC fans". It's hard to have any kind of discussion.

Yeah I don't think anybody is arguing that, BvS merits come from somewhere else. This thread really went to hell with some later posts.

people are defending BvS by saying that a deleted scene explains character motivations better. That should tell you what you need to know how seriously you can take arguments about BvS and its 'thematic' merits.

It's not like those themes aren't in the movie in the first place,but of course if you cut 30minutes of film 2 months before release things are going to get muddy. I say we will have a whole different discussion in two months.