X-Men Apocalypse Review Thread

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inky said:
I can see that. Civil War tries to break up the chain I guess and their villains have always been a very weak spot. Other than that, death as consequences in comic books has never worked for me so I can't say I'm disappointed when I leave a movie and they didn't kill someone, and heck, that isn't even exclusive to these movies. I also certainly expect protagonists to succeed in most action movies in general, and guess what? They do.

All these series have killed some of their heroes, and it never means anything.
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I don't think MCU neccessarily needs deaths but it's in dire need of competant developed villains. Loki is probably the closest thing they have
CW guy probably would count if he wasn't so one and done
. You have all these big heroes and your simultaneous trying to juggle character development amongst all them while also trying to build up a convincingly villain that will almost without fail get his ass kicked in the 3rd act, rinse and repeat. The films don't have to be structured that way, you could easily develop the heroes and villains across multiple films, sometimes wining sometimes losing resulting in climatic confrontatons down the lines where you interested in what exactly the villain scheme is as well as his or her own own character drives and arcs, and honestly care about what happens on both sides.

The reason why CW war worked was because you cared about everyone involved you had already formed an attachment to these characters so it it meant something when they clashed. There's a very good reason reason for this, because the heroes are the only characters aside from Loki that gets any real character development and character arc. Every other villain is completely hollow. i'm actually astonished by how hollow they are.
 
Kusagari said:
We won't get R Deadpool with Marvel, so Fox can keep the X-Men.
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X-men joining the MCU is the last thing I want as a MCU fan. It would be tonally confusing and seriously fuck up continuity.

Fantastic Four, on the other hand, I wish. Dr. Doom could be the Loki of Phase Four and Annihilus or Galactus the Thanos of phase 4-6.
 
SolidChamp said:
As much as I enjoyed Civil War (quite a bit, the MCU's only truly great film to date), I've given it absolutely no thought since I've seen it (to be fair, it's the same with all of them). I can't say that about X2, First Class, and certainly not DOFP. Those movies stay with me, even though X2 is starting to show it's age.

If I end up loving this, I think I'll be done with the whole "comic book film discussion/debate" and putting stock in critics reviews on the genre. Everyone seems to have wildly varying ideas on what these films should be, and it almost always aligns itself with fanboy sentiment and petty squabbling.

I was never convinced this would be better than DOFP, but will see if it leaves me with a lasting impression...something I can't say for any MCU film.
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How a respectable presentation of an irreconcilable clash of ethics failed to stick with you, but Singer films did, is beyond me.

This is coming from someone that didn't even like Civil War all that much
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
I'll do cartwheels of joy if we never see Mystique in another X-Men movie.

Now, please do more character-focused X-Men films, please. Characters other than Wolverine, Magneto, Mystique, and Professor X, of course. And make 'em look and feel more like the source material. Like you did with Deadpool.
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DOFP is more of a character study than any MCU film and more than most other films in the genre. People don't seem to get this.
 
I'm still so hesistant about this film but one thing that has me wanting to see it is the possibility of wolverine
wearing his classic costume in his cameo.
though I have a feeling they'll chicken again.
Fhtagn said:
Interviews with the CA:CW directors make it clear
they did everything they could to subvert the Marvel third act, including the 5 winter soldiers as red herring to make you think everything would cleanly resolve here, and having it instead turn out that Zemo wins. They were explicitly trying to change up the pattern. And they did.

Of course
infinty war will get the gang back together, eventually. That's how these stories work. But it's clear these two are thinking really hard about how to keep the MCU fresh overtime.
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Not only that but the film clearly ends with them
all split and not on a good note like previous films. Zemo accomplished most of his goal even if they didn't kill each other which is why he made the comment at the end. It's a nice setup for Infintity War and how big of a threat Thanos will be.
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
I'll do cartwheels of joy if we never see Mystique in another X-Men movie.

Now, please do more character-focused X-Men films, please. Characters other than Wolverine, Magneto, Mystique, and Professor X, of course. And make 'em look and feel more like the source material. Like you did with Deadpool.
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That Gambit Movie should still be happening, haha
 
When Fassbender (the best thing about these movies) sees the reviews,

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Frozenprince said:
In what way? Genuinely curious.
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It explores Charles' refusal to accept what he can't change and understand that the stakes are much greater than himself or any one person. At first he's just choosing to live selfishly, with none of the wisdom or compassion that the character is known for.

It very much is McAvoy's movie, and his performance outshines most others in the genre.
 
btw I do think they're changin the tone a bit to better match Marvel

I mean I havent see this, and it sure looks dark

but

Psylocke and Jubilee look exactly like their counterparts

next film is set in the 90s

next film is cartoon Xmen

bookmark this
 
Frozenprince said:
I think at this point Fox is going to do everything in it's power to keep the Deadpool stuff and the X proper stuff as far away from one another as possible.
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Yeah which is why I'm super bummed it took Deadpool for Cable to even be mentioned in the X-Men films.

Apocalypse was perfect for the intro.
 
Principate said:
I don't think MCU neccessarily needs deaths but it's in dire need of competant developed villains. Loki is probably the closest thing they have
CW guy probably would count if he wasn't so one and done
. You have all these big heroes and your simultaneous trying to juggle character development amongst all them while also trying to build up a convincingly villain that will almost without fail get his ass kicked in the 3rd act, rinse and repeat. The films don't have to be structured that way, you could easily develop the heroes and villains across multiple films, sometimes wining sometimes losing resulting in climatic confrontatons down the lines where you interested in what exactly the villain scheme is as well as his or her own own character drives and arcs, and honestly care about what happens on both sides.

The reason why CW war worked was because you cared about everyone involved you had already formed an attachment to these characters so it it meant something when they clashed. There's a very good reason reason for this, because the heroes are the only characters aside from Loki that gets any real character development and character arc. Every other villain is completely hollow. i'm actually astonished by how hollow they are.
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I agree with that and it is something I expect them to realize. The Russos seem very receptive to these problems and come across as aware of them in interviews. I have hopes they can spark a change in that regard.
 
SolidChamp said:
It explores Charles' refusal to accept what he can't change and understand that the stakes are much greater than himself or any one person. At first he's just choosing to live selfishly, with none of the wisdom or compassion that the character is known for.

It very much is McAvoy's movie, and his performance outshines most others in the genre.
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Pretty sure that's just called an "arc"
 
Man I hope that was just early bad reviews, would be a shame after the last 2 fantastic films.

Or it's the Xmen trilogy curse.
 
SolidChamp said:
It explores Charles' refusal to accept what he can't change and understand that the stakes are much greater than himself or any one person. At first he's just choosing to live selfishly, with none of the wisdom or compassion that the character is known for.

It very much is McAvoy's movie, and his performance outshines most others in the genre.
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Yeah. See. About that.
 
Fhtagn said:

Interviews with the CA:CW directors make it clear
they did everything they could to subvert the Marvel third act, including the 5 winter soldiers as red herring to make you think everything would cleanly resolve here, and having it instead turn out that Zemo wins. They were explicitly trying to change up the pattern. And they did.

Of course
infinty war will get the gang back together, eventually. That's how these stories work. But it's clear these two are thinking really hard about how to keep the MCU fresh overtime.
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Yeah but that was also spoiled by numerous trailers, you could tell what would happen because Captain America and Iron man hadn't there climatic duel yet and those 5 supersoldiers would have bloated the film beyone belief and i was honestly struggling while watching to think how they would fit them in, and obviously they didn't. It was still very much a marvel 3rd act in the climatic battle you expected throughout the whole movie did happen, but I don't count that as a negative as for Civil war, it worked and I don't think it should have ended any other way.
 
SolidChamp said:
It explores Charles' refusal to accept what he can't change and understand that the stakes are much greater than himself or any one person. At first he's just choosing to live selfishly, with none of the wisdom or compassion that the character is known for.

It very much is McAvoy's movie, and his performance outshines most others in the genre.
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That's definitely the arc Charles took in DOFP, but I'm not sure how that's more complex than what we've seen with some MCU movies. (Or other movies in the genre.)
 
Frozenprince said:
You finally make a good X-Men movie.
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It's not a great superhero movie.
It's a pretty decent X-Men film, though.

And yeah, I said earlier upthread, but it's hard as hell not to see this movie, the direction it points, and think Kinberg & Co. aren't trying to get Jim Lee Animated X-Men '92 up on the big screen.

I dunno what it says about that version of the X-Men that film critics seem not all that happy to be pointed in that direction, though.

(the film being pretty sloppy probably doesn't help, though)

BLACKLAC said:
What's the verdict on Storm?
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She's okay.
 
I wasn't hyped for the movie, but having the end of the new triolgy be bad is saddening. It's the Dark Knight trilogy all over again.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
And yeah, I said earlier upthread, but it's hard as hell not to see this movie, the direction it points, and think Kinberg & Co. aren't trying to get Jim Lee Animated X-Men '92 up on the big screen.
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they better go HAM at that, man

all costumes, soundtrack, all
 
I want Marvel to have the rights back simply for a more faithful adaptation of the characters. Fox movies are ok, but could be so much better.
 
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