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[TheDanger]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

I had no issues whatsoever understanding the motivations of Bruce and Clark after thinking about it, with Civil War I get Tony, but Cap just seems totally unreasonable and naive and it seems far fetched so many would take his side, the movie just feels like an excuse to have superheroes fight each other sometimes.

 

[Senoculum]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

You and me both Danger man. Some of my favourite films are from Kubrick and Malick, and their filmography is challenging, often times imperfect, but totally rewarding.

Even a small indie like Ex Machina, or Blue Ruin, or Carol, have striking images and colours with intricately designed interiors that are simultaneously "natural" and beautiful and speak just as much about the characters than the words coming out of their mouths. Marvel's crew don't manage to capture wonders; they don't practice art, and that's a damn shame.

I thought Civil War continues the Marvel trend of being unremarkable; and plainly captured on film (or memory cards) with more efficiency than inspiration. And quite frankly, Civil War had multiple globe-trotting settings, yet every destination had overcast skies, even-keeled lighting, and indistinguishable architecture. You'd be hard pressed to differentiate Berlin, Vienna, the United Nations base, and the Avengers facility.

Guardians of the Galaxy is the only Marvel film I own, because it was a friggin blast.

 

[phanphare]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

I had no issues whatsoever understanding the motivations of Bruce and Clark after thinking about it, with Civil War I get Tony, but Cap just seems totally unreasonable and naive and it seems far fetched so many would take his side, the movie just feels like an excuse to have superheroes fight each other sometimes.

you should venture into the spoiler thread, there's been long discussions about why both were right. dare I say, it might change your mind on how smart civil war is.

 

[DrForester]

you should venture into the spoiler thread, there's been long discussions about why both were right. dare I say, it might change your mind on how smart civil war is.

Except all the people who think Tony was right are wrong.

 

[phanphare]

Except all the people who think Tony was right are wrong.

exactly

 

[Mr. Poolman]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

Sure... also the Emperor wears clothes that only smart people can see.

 

[Reptars Revenge]

The after credits scene in Thor 2 alone makes infinitely better than batman vs superman.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

I had no issues whatsoever understanding the motivations of Bruce and Clark after thinking about it, with Civil War I get Tony, but Cap just seems totally unreasonable and naive and it seems far fetched so many would take his side, the movie just feels like an excuse to have superheroes fight each other sometimes.

Say what now? Cap is right, and you can easily figure out why he thinks that way. Ironman can hold that L.

 

[Senoculum]

My indifference to Cap stems from him being "always right." He's almost too altruistic, and every solution to his problems have been a form of fisticuffs. Stark to me is the most complete (and complex) character of the MCU, because he's had a roller coaster of events; he was the only one really affected by Wanda's visions in Age of Ultron; Stark is also resourceful, but deep down, I feel like he's human. Cap feels too much like a hall monitor, and reads his lines like some sappy white knight. How many times does he have to say, "I'll draw their fire!" Only to be stopped by someone more courteous, "no, I'll draw their fire! You're too important!"

At least in BvS, Superman actually followed through with his selfless act.

For the record, I thought Caps characterizations were pretty good (along with his motivations) in his first movie.

I really am barfing when people are spouting the Captain America movies as, "the best trilogy of all time."

 

[Eidan]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest

So BvS is the thinking man's superhero film. I swear I watched a completely different movie than some of you.

 

[Sephzilla]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

I had no issues whatsoever understanding the motivations of Bruce and Clark after thinking about it, with Civil War I get Tony, but Cap just seems totally unreasonable and naive and it seems far fetched so many would take his side, the movie just feels like an excuse to have superheroes fight each other sometimes.

I'm starting to think people are seeing things that aren't actually there in terms of this movie. BvS is a movie that thinks its a lot smarter than it actually is. It's like a Scott Steiner wrestling promo.

 

[Raptor]

You and me both Danger man. Some of my favourite films are from Kubrick and Malick, and their filmography is challenging, often times imperfect, but totally rewarding.

Even a small indie like Ex Machina, or Blue Ruin, or Carol, have striking images and colours with intricately designed interiors that are simultaneously "natural" and beautiful and speak just as much about the characters than the words coming out of their mouths. Marvel's crew don't manage to capture wonders; they don't practice art, and that's a damn shame.

I thought Civil War continues the Marvel trend of being unremarkable; and plainly captured on film (or memory cards) with more efficiency than inspiration. And quite frankly, Civil War had multiple globe-trotting settings, yet every destination had overcast skies, even-keeled lighting, and indistinguishable architecture. You'd be hard pressed to differentiate Berlin, Vienna, the United Nations base, and the Avengers facility.

Guardians of the Galaxy is the only Marvel film I own, because it was a friggin blast.

I saw a more memorable vista on my way home yesterday than in the sequences in CW, I mean god damn it man, is mandatory for Marvel movies to look so freaking uninspired boring looking?

Put a sunsent on the background:

Jeez.

 

[Toa TAK]

The after credits scene in Thor: The Dark World alone makes infinitely better than batman vs superman.

Fixed.

And yeah, I wonder why they never tackled that in AoS for all the talk about it being connected. lol

 

[milanbaros]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

Really? Because I thought it was pretty stupid. My brain felt like it was turning to mush watching that crap.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

Fixed.

You mean 2hor 2: 2he 2ark Wo2ld?

 

[Eidan]

I saw a more memorable vista on my way home yesterday than in the sequences in CW, I mean god damn it man, is mandatory for Marvel movies to look so freaking uninspired boring looking?

Put a sunsent on the background:

Jeez.

Honestly, Thor: The Dark World actually has a lot of distinct visuals for each of its settings. Some look pretty similar to shots you'd find in Batman v. Superman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBruqUp-3cI

 

[CazTGG]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me

"Smart"

 

[Raptor]

Honestly, Thor: The Dark World actually has a lot of distinct visuals for each of its settings. Some look pretty similar to shots you'd find in Batman v. Superman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBruqUp-3cI

Yes I agree about that one

Very nice.

I forgot about that movie though, can you blame me?

 

[Toa TAK]

You mean 2hor 2: 2he 2ark Wo2ld?

Why do you guys keep saying this?

THERE'S NO 2 IN "THOR: THE DARK WORLD"

 

[Palabrah]

No this tells me nothing

Folks are doing this new line count thing

And then... never draw a conclusion for me

What am I to take away from this? That the character who is known for his quick wit and being chatty has more lines of dialog than someone who is more stoic?

That Zack has no faith in Superman so he doesn't speak?

Like what should be the takeaway here?

The takeaway is that a character in the movie for 15 fucking minutes has more screen presence than the main character of BvS. Him being more chatty means nothing, superman is walking around like a zombie idiot completely out of character for almost 3 hours of his own movie. They had the opportunity to get his character across, be as a world leader world motivator and he says nothing.

And I don't see how it can even be compared when the villain had no real motivation in BvS. Sure Zemo pulled off a couple of unreleastic feats but Lex did straight ridiculous things that made no sense with no motivation.

 

[Corronchilejano]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

Not knowing in any shape or form what's going on doesn't make it a smart movie. If you make up the motivations everyone has in your head for the movie to work, it works. I mean, you know these characters, you're supposed to know how they'd act, so you can claim the director used that to his advantage, right? Even then Luthor acts like a deranged psycho more than a megalomaniac. What he does is absolutely contraire to the cold character you know, so what gives?

I had no issues whatsoever understanding the motivations of Bruce and Clark after thinking about it, with Civil War I get Tony, but Cap just seems totally unreasonable and naive and it seems far fetched so many would take his side, the movie just feels like an excuse to have superheroes fight each other sometimes.

Cap seems like a guy trying to save the only thing that's left for him from his old life. It seems pretty out there considering how the cap has behaved in previous movies but you can't deny that at least it has been set up.

 

[Ithil]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

I had no issues whatsoever understanding the motivations of Bruce and Clark after thinking about it, with Civil War I get Tony, but Cap just seems totally unreasonable and naive and it seems far fetched so many would take his side, the movie just feels like an excuse to have superheroes fight each other sometimes.

I hope you understood how incredibly obnoxious it is to say something like that.

 

[Nokagi]

I like that the defense for BvS now seems to be that it was just too smart for people. That's great.

 

[Palabrah]

Caps motivation is supremely clear and he clearly states it.

He doesn't want the government to basically weaponize the groups of superheroes as they see fit and control when and where they can go. Especially since even though a few people (in comparison) die vs them saving the damn entire world. Especially after things like Hydra popping up and controlling things in secret. You just can't trust them to control where avengers go.

Iron Man's motivation. Is supremely clear and clear stated.

He feels responsible (and rightfully so) for quite a few major bad events in the MCU especially creating Ultron. Through several movies after Avengers 1 it's clear he has ptsd and looking for any solution to prevent more lives being lost. It's more about self redemption for him.

Batman has a clear motivation. He saw first hand the destruction that the new Super powered threat can cause. Sure. He wants to take out this threat for good. It's an ok motivation.

Superman's mom gets kidnapped? He could just go save her real quick but ok whatever.

LEX...he um.. hates Superman for no stated reason.

 

[inky]

I like that the defense for BvS now seems to be that it was just too smart for people. That's great.

That shit was happening even before the movie was out, you could tell people were bracing up for it. And the new narrative is that it will be appreciated more in the future because we were just not ready yet.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I like that the defense for BvS now seems to be that it was just too smart for people. That's great.

not smart enough to break bank tho

;___;

 

[jrush64]

not smart enough to break bank tho

;___;

What the hell does this even mean?

 

[Ezduo]

What the hell does this even mean?

Not smart enough to make a lot of money.

 

[Dimefan3]

I liked them both. So sick of the hate BvS gets.

If anything, I would have to say the only reason I enjoyed BvS slightly more is because I'm only just finally getting around to watching the Marvel movies (just finished Iron Man 2) so I spent a good portion of Civil War going "Who's that?"

The moral of the story is I need to read comics more.

 

[Vyer]

The takeaway is that a character in the movie for 15 fucking minutes has more screen presence than the main character of BvS. Him being more chatty means nothing, superman is walking around like a zombie idiot completely out of character for almost 3 hours of his own movie. They had the opportunity to get his character across, be as a world leader world motivator and he says nothing.

And I don't see how it can even be compared when the villain had no real motivation in BvS. Sure Zemo pulled off a couple of unreleastic feats but Lex did straight ridiculous things that made no sense with no motivation.

That's a takeaway you can have, but Penguin is right in that line counts don't really mean anything.

 

[Cipherr]

I like that the defense for BvS now seems to be that it was just too smart for people. That's great.

Me too. I reckon thats where its defense will settle too. The movie has too many problems to try and handwave them all. From the bad editing, to the unlikable heroes, to the full on lack of explanation for the flashbacks leaving many non comic reading audience members hanging for like.... what 1.5 years until JL comes along a hopefully explains what a parademon is to the MILLIONS that don't know and were left wondering what the hell was going on, not to mention the lackluster final act and awkward previews of other DCEU films.

Just call everyone else 'stupid' and say they didn't 'get it' because they aren't used to having to think. *BAM* discussion over.

That shit was happening even before the movie was out. And the narrative now is that it will be appreciated more in the future because we are not ready yet.

The bolded is what makes it so funny. When those loose rumors came out that WB was worried people wouldnt like it because it was "Too smart for viewers" I laughed, but to see it actually used in real life in the wake of the films plummeting at the box office is just rich.

 

[jman2050]

Having just seen Civil War

Hell to the no

If anything Civil War just shines a gigantic spotlight on everything BvS failed to do. It's just one huge (unintentional) indictment and dressing down of all of Snyder's work on the franchise.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

What the hell does this even mean?

? that it couldn't top civil war's performance at the box office?

what else?






actually, i dont really quite know what "the smarter movie between the two" mean ....other than it's ~precious opinions~

 

[PsychBat!]

 

[Eidan]

Yes I agree about that one



Very nice.

I forgot about that movie though, can you blame me?

Hell, if anything Thor 2 and Batman v. Superman show that a film is more than a series of pretty images. It doesn't matter how well a shot of a movie makes as a desktop wallpaper, if the narrative and themes depicted in it are a mess.

 

[cackhyena]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies, it's formulaic, but fun and easy to digest, I love it, but I also love this type of superhero movie.

I had no issues whatsoever understanding the motivations of Bruce and Clark after thinking about it, with Civil War I get Tony, but Cap just seems totally unreasonable and naive and it seems far fetched so many would take his side, the movie just feels like an excuse to have superheroes fight each other sometimes.

I don't even can't

 

[MisterHero]

Hey guys, Speed Racer was beautiful in single shots and in editing, and was written for all ages, unapologetically violent, and has a great soundtrack.

Let's talk about Speed Racer

Spoiler

No one talks about Speed Racer. It's too awesome for us.

Enjoy one horribly compressed Racer X gif and one awesome Speed gif

GET THAT WEAK SHIT OFF MY TRACK

 

[shoreu]

Except all the people who think Tony was right are wrong.

In a world like ours i guess Tony is right but in worlds where people like capitan America, Spiderman, Thor or Visions in them cap is right.

If I was on the level of like Thor, strange,or scarlet i wouldn't yeild to the UN I'd work with other heroes to solve the worlds problems and people like thor or strange have so much to deal with they wouldn't have time to be waiting for permission to act.

 

[ReiGun]

Hey guys, Speed Racer was beautiful in single shots and in editing, and was written for all ages, unapologetically violent, and has a great soundtrack.

Let's talk about Speed Racer

Spoiler

No one talks about Speed Racer. It's too awesome for us.

Enjoy one horribly compressed Racer X gif and one awesome Speed gif

GET THAT WEAK SHIT OFF MY TRACK

Speed Racer is better than either of movies.

And I say that without having even seen CW. Speed Racer is just that good.

 

[atr0cious]

Speed Racer is better than either of movies.

And I say that without having even seen CW. Speed Racer is just that good.

I've seen them both and you're not wrong. BvS is more interesting in the slower sections though.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

How the fuck was BvS smart lmao

It was dumb explosion after dumb explosion from the second act onwards

All the Jesus allegories and symbolism isn't going to magically make your movie better, DC fans

 

[hamchan]

I hope you understood how incredibly obnoxious it is to say something like that.

I think he just enjoys being a punching bag while trying to rile people up. Because I don't think someone makes this thread then writes obnoxious posts like that unless they're looking for attention.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

BvS is without a doubt the smarter movie for me, people are used to not having to think much with Marvel superheroe movies

lmfao so much for this guy just trying to innocently share his opinion with the creation of this thread

I don't think you can complain about people jumping on you now.

 

[atr0cious]

How the fuck was BvS smart lmao

It was dumb explosion after dumb explosion from the second act onwards

All the Jesus allegories and symbolism isn't going to magically make your movie better, DC fans

Then what was Civil War? And please keep the fanboy shit on gaming side. Some folks just enjoy watching movies.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I like that the defense for BvS now seems to be that it was just too smart for people. That's great.

WB's PR earning their paychecks.

 

[shoreu]

How the fuck was BvS smart lmao

It was dumb explosion after dumb explosion from the second act onwards

All the Jesus allegories and symbolism isn't going to magically make your movie better, DC fans

I so hate this is becoming a think DC and marvel have to have the coolest relationship of 2 rival businesses ever

 

[IndoAssassin]

My indifference to Cap stems from him being "always right." He's almost too altruistic, and every solution to his problems have been a form of fisticuffs. Stark to me is the most complete (and complex) character of the MCU, because he's had a roller coaster of events; he was the only one really affected by Wanda's visions in Age of Ultron; Stark is also resourceful, but deep down, I feel like he's human. Cap feels too much like a hall monitor, and reads his lines like some sappy white knight. How many times does he have to say, "I'll draw their fire!" Only to be stopped by someone more courteous, "no, I'll draw their fire! You're too important!"

At least in BvS, Superman actually followed through with his selfless act.

For the record, I thought Caps characterizations were pretty good (along with his motivations) in his first movie.

I really am barfing when people are spouting the Captain America movies as, "the best trilogy of all time."

I barf everytime someone thinks BvS is a good movie

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

Then what was Civil War? And please keep the fanboy shit on gaming side. Some folks just enjoy watching movies.

Civil War was completely different from that. The conflict that's sparked is greatly personal and contained, even the final fight is a small-scale, contained highly emotional battle. BvS is nothing like that, it's a CGI-infested whirlwind of effects and pretty colours with none of it meaning anything. Superman's death is ridiculously undercooked so instead of his passing being significant, you just roll your eyes at the contrived sense of it all.

That's why the notion of BvS being remotely intelligent is hilarious. Fans of the movie love to throw it around as an easy argument without realising it's just as dumb as other blockbusters, except with an added layer of pretension.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Then what was Civil War? And please keep the fanboy shit on gaming side. Some folks just enjoy watching movies.

This movie had less action/explosions than pretty much any other Marvel movie I can think of.

I honestly think you haven't watched the movie if you describe it as "Explosion after explosion."

 

[Raptor]

Hell, if anything Thor 2 and Batman v. Superman show that a film is more than a series of pretty images. It doesn't matter how well a shot of a movie makes as a desktop wallpaper, if the narrative and themes depicted in it are a mess.

Yes but when there is a movie on the other side of the spectrum that has very well constructed depiction of its themes in a coherent whole BUT its filmed on a very bland way then you have a forgetable well made movie instead of a beautifull bombastic incoherent mess lol.