nextgeneration
Member
Nice, but doesn't gsync work already? And the game already has an unlocked frame rate, no?
Quantum Break PC performance thread
- Thread starter GroinShooter
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Nice, but doesn't gsync work already? And the game already has an unlocked frame rate, no?
It won't help with raw performance to say the least
sertopico
Member
nextgeneration
Member
No, and no.
Ok, that's odd because both seem to work for me. I've seen my frame rates shoot up to in the 90's and higher at times and with gsync enabled, the game is super smooth with no screen tearing anywhere. Once i disable it, it becomes stuttery mess.
nextgeneration
Member
Ah, thanks for the clarification. 
dgrdsv
Member
Disabling vsync should help get some frames back.
Nostremitus
Member
Freesync, huh... Nice...
I wonder what they did to make it work in Windowed mode?
I wonder what they did to make it work in Windowed mode?
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
I have a GSync screen, and if I enable GSync only in fullscreen, some UWP games and apps such as Movies and TV, Netflix and Edge can toggle the screen to GSync mode when in fullscreen.
It's not usual exclusive fullscreen, but it seems to tel DWM that only the app is shown, so refresh rate can change. And everytime I get a notification, move the mouse to the top to show the app bar or to the bottom to show the taskbar, GSync is disabled.
Of course, if I set GSync to work in Windowed mode it's always working, even in UWP games, and that caused some trouble in Gears of War at first (long loadings) but the game was patched to force 30 FPS in loadings.
Note that all of this was before the Windows update "enabling GSync", I think nothing will change in this case, as it already works.
Nostremitus
Member
Freesync only works in Fullscreen though... It doesn't have an option for Windowed mode and hasn't been working thus far for UWP.
Inspectah_Deck
Member
My guess is they simply add a fullscreen mode to the games via patch.
Nostremitus
Member
They said they added the functionality with a Windows update that the games need to be patched to use... If they added fullscreen mode, I'm fairly certain they would have just come out and said that instead of saying they added Freesync support for UWPs.
RiotPelaaja
Remedy
Its not up to us, but we do obviously realize very well that downloading like on the Xbox One would be a great option.
Inspectah_Deck
Member
Any tests on this and how it works yet?
Patches for Gears:UE and Apex are live.
Nostremitus
Member
I haven't seen any. I've been on my back with radiating back pain. Sitting is not pleasant right now, so I haven't been in my office since this started.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
So I want to try to post my impressions.
I played through the game twice, first on normal and on hard and have completed it 100%. I played through on a 970 overclocked, i5-4690K overclocked to 4.6GHz, 16GB RAM, and SSD. I played through at 1080p30 no reconstruction all settings on high, it consistently looked amazing. So, that's the good part. Playing the game in a liner fashion (ie: start to finish using only 'continue' in the menu) with those settings works fine but keep in mind usage of all resources was very high. I'm skeptical of the game running well on lower systems mostly because CPU and RAM usage were very high regardless of settings.
However the game still has rough edges and reproducible crashes. Most notably the phone/earpiece bug and the video streaming.
The first bug is that the characters earpieces become disconnected from their bodies and float around jiggling in the air, this can also happen with phones as well. This is very annoying and happens throughout the entire game.
Secondly as I've mentioned before streaming video is broken/inefficient. I assume that if you have the bandwidth for the full 4K video streaming is fine, however if you don't the game often gets stuck trying to load a higher stream then your connection can handle causing stuttering/constant buffering. This was very frustrating, it's clear that on my regular ADSL2 connection the video was constantly buffering back and forth between 1080p and 4K. It was effectively broken and totally un-watchable. However, I was able to workaround this by running a Netflix stream in the background. Doing so forced the quality down but largely stopped the buffering (it would buffer around 4 times an episode rather than every 2 seconds). A much better solution would be to allow people to download the videos in advance or simply set a maximum quality for the streaming video.
I can reproduce crashes in 2 ways. At first I wondered why digital foundry had so many crashes on a 970 while I had none but now it's easy to understand.
Firstly, set any setting to ultra. This causes a driver crash instantly for some reason. I didn't get these crashes because I didn't set anything over high at first. Secondly, the game will crash when loading levels through the timeline. I discovered this when trying to test if I could get 60fps. Performance noticeably drops in the second level loaded through the timeline and then crashes on the third. This is strange as playing the game through normally doesn't result in crashes but manually loading levels through the timeline is broken and will cause crashes very quickly. This made it impossible for me to accurately test the performance of different settings and so I just gave up. I imagine this is what digital foundry experienced as well.
Overall the game is still fundamentally broken in many ways but works if you have very powerful hardware and are willing to accept limitations. I don't recommend trying on weaker hardware than a recent i5, 16GB of RAM and a SSD. It's possible you could get away with a lower graphics card using reconstruction and lower settings though. I was unable to really test this because of the crashing when loading levels through the timeline.
I hope the remaining issues are patched out. Microsoft really should be making this a priority, it's supposed to be a flagship product and is sold at a premium price on the market. If you accept limitations and throw powerful hardware at it it does work though.
I appreciate the work Remedy has done so far. I am trying to read between the lines and assume they have had their hands tied but I could of course be wrong. I would love to see the quality of this port match the excellent Alan Wake port. To me the difference between that port being available DRM free and it's stellar performance and this UWP locked port seems to me to be down to the publisher and it's frustrating. Of course this is my reading of the situation, I'd love any feedback on the reality that I'm not aware of.
Lastly I took some screenshots to show off how incredible it can look despite its problems. I'll embed a few or you can view the gallery as well. These are 1080p, high settings, reconstitution and film grain off. (Gallery contains spoilers) https://flic.kr/s/aHskzPP5Yx
I played through the game twice, first on normal and on hard and have completed it 100%. I played through on a 970 overclocked, i5-4690K overclocked to 4.6GHz, 16GB RAM, and SSD. I played through at 1080p30 no reconstruction all settings on high, it consistently looked amazing. So, that's the good part. Playing the game in a liner fashion (ie: start to finish using only 'continue' in the menu) with those settings works fine but keep in mind usage of all resources was very high. I'm skeptical of the game running well on lower systems mostly because CPU and RAM usage were very high regardless of settings.
However the game still has rough edges and reproducible crashes. Most notably the phone/earpiece bug and the video streaming.
The first bug is that the characters earpieces become disconnected from their bodies and float around jiggling in the air, this can also happen with phones as well. This is very annoying and happens throughout the entire game.
Secondly as I've mentioned before streaming video is broken/inefficient. I assume that if you have the bandwidth for the full 4K video streaming is fine, however if you don't the game often gets stuck trying to load a higher stream then your connection can handle causing stuttering/constant buffering. This was very frustrating, it's clear that on my regular ADSL2 connection the video was constantly buffering back and forth between 1080p and 4K. It was effectively broken and totally un-watchable. However, I was able to workaround this by running a Netflix stream in the background. Doing so forced the quality down but largely stopped the buffering (it would buffer around 4 times an episode rather than every 2 seconds). A much better solution would be to allow people to download the videos in advance or simply set a maximum quality for the streaming video.
I can reproduce crashes in 2 ways. At first I wondered why digital foundry had so many crashes on a 970 while I had none but now it's easy to understand.
Firstly, set any setting to ultra. This causes a driver crash instantly for some reason. I didn't get these crashes because I didn't set anything over high at first. Secondly, the game will crash when loading levels through the timeline. I discovered this when trying to test if I could get 60fps. Performance noticeably drops in the second level loaded through the timeline and then crashes on the third. This is strange as playing the game through normally doesn't result in crashes but manually loading levels through the timeline is broken and will cause crashes very quickly. This made it impossible for me to accurately test the performance of different settings and so I just gave up. I imagine this is what digital foundry experienced as well.
Overall the game is still fundamentally broken in many ways but works if you have very powerful hardware and are willing to accept limitations. I don't recommend trying on weaker hardware than a recent i5, 16GB of RAM and a SSD. It's possible you could get away with a lower graphics card using reconstruction and lower settings though. I was unable to really test this because of the crashing when loading levels through the timeline.
I hope the remaining issues are patched out. Microsoft really should be making this a priority, it's supposed to be a flagship product and is sold at a premium price on the market. If you accept limitations and throw powerful hardware at it it does work though.
I appreciate the work Remedy has done so far. I am trying to read between the lines and assume they have had their hands tied but I could of course be wrong. I would love to see the quality of this port match the excellent Alan Wake port. To me the difference between that port being available DRM free and it's stellar performance and this UWP locked port seems to me to be down to the publisher and it's frustrating. Of course this is my reading of the situation, I'd love any feedback on the reality that I'm not aware of.
Lastly I took some screenshots to show off how incredible it can look despite its problems. I'll embed a few or you can view the gallery as well. These are 1080p, high settings, reconstitution and film grain off. (Gallery contains spoilers) https://flic.kr/s/aHskzPP5Yx
Update 3 with Gsync / FreeSync support on its way
https://twitter.com/RiotRMD/status/732223132061306884
"Close meaning within the next two weeks, hopefully sooner."
https://twitter.com/RiotRMD/status/732223132061306884
"Close meaning within the next two weeks, hopefully sooner."
GroinShooter
Member
That's good news
We'll see if they address more of the performance issues in this patch.
We'll see if they address more of the performance issues in this patch.
brotkasten
Member
That's great news. I hope they can give us a change log relatively soon. Some more performance improvements would be appreciated, but I'm sure the team already knows that.
digitalrelic
Banned
Update 3 with Gsync / FreeSync support on its way
https://twitter.com/RiotRMD/status/732223132061306884
"Close meaning within the next two weeks, hopefully sooner."
Cool. Bought this for cheap on Win 10 but I have it on the backburner until it's in a proper state. Hopefully Update 3 gets us there.
Hopefully they are aware of the streaming issues too.
brotkasten
Member
Oh, right. I hope so. There should be some technical options for the episodes. Let users download them, like on the Xbox, different quality settings (bitrate and/or resolution), buffer size and maybe more. Forcing 4K videos on everyone, regardless of the connectivity and screen resolution is not the best solution and I don't think the team want to keep it this way.
Seems like it is out of their hands:
RiotPelaaja
Remedy
We will put up patch notes once the update is out. Things are always in a state of flux so if we put them up early, the content might still change.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Thank you posting in this thread. I look forward to seeing what the next patch improves. I'm happy to see their still support coming.
brotkasten
Member
Thank you! I know that it doesn't make sense to post the notes, when they're not set in stone yet. Just hoping for some improvements regarding Nvidia cards.
I'm looking forward to the new patch and I'm glad that you guys are still actively working on improving it, after the initial release. I'll gladly wait with the second playthrough (on hard) until the new patch is out.
sertopico
Member
There will be no improvement apparently, at least for the 970, but that could be the same for the others nVidia GPUs.
https://twitter.com/RiotRMD/status/732437072917766144
ugh.
another patch... and still no way to get some good performance out of the game without upscaling or compromising the look.
Inspectah_Deck
Member
Any benchmarks with a GTX 1080 online?
nextgeneration
Member
About 35% faster than 980 ti at 1440p:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../72619-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review-19.html
Inspectah_Deck
Member
Interesting results.
Looks like Pascal likes GCN optimized games a lot more.
Looks like Pascal likes GCN optimized games a lot more.
dgrdsv
Member
Well, I wouldn't say "a lot" but there definitely are some non-linear gains in some games which are known to favor GCN over Maxwell - QB is one example, FC Primal is another which sticks out a bit.
Nostremitus
Member
I play it on medium, 1080p, no upscaling, no AA, textures on high with a 290X.
It's perfectly playable. My Fps ranges between the 70s and 60s.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Good to know. Maybe it will be completely playable on Polaris and more patches are released to improve performance.
I want 1440p/60fps. NO UPSCALING.
keltickennedy
Member
I'm going to try those settings on my 980ti. See if I can average 60. Thanks.
Nostremitus
Member
To be fair, this game uses a lot of taxing effects. Hell, the global illumination alone must be a huge resource hog.
I'm pretty sure the fps fluctuations and slight stuttering I experience are because my i5 2500k @ 4.5 is slammed at 100% utilization while that game is running. Resource manager shows the workload at 116%, actually. I am curious how this works for people with i7s or even FX 8xxx CPUs. Are you guys getting CPU bottlenecked as well, or do I just not have enough threads for the way this game was coded?
sertopico
Member
I meant with ultra settings @ 2k of course, just like the tests they did, which give quite disappointing results in my opinion. Not even the fastest card on the market is able to achieve 60 fps. Unfortunately they did not specify if they were using upscaling or not.
Hardwarecanucks has tested 1440p ultra with scaling explicitly off. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../72619-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review-19.html
SliChillax
Member
40fps average seems very playable on a gsync monitor.
Backfoggen
Banned
We're going to have to wait until like the 1280Ti for 4k 60 without upscaling lol.
sertopico
Member
Thanks. If compared to 980 Ti results are remarkable (doubled performance) but not enough to get a fully playable experience yet. There are parts in the game which are more intensive than those tested.