Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Might not be playing nice with AMD GPUs at the moment.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Final Fantasy XVI PC Performance Thread
- Thread starter Mister Wolf
- Start date
Might not be playing nice with AMD GPUs at the moment.
Killer8
Member
This is the first game i've played where DLSS looks like fucking shit. Like objectively worse than native. Normally quality mode is at least on par, if not usually better than native. Look at that wall next to the training sequence - it's just blobs of color, barely discernible that it's even stonework. FSR2 and XeSS are crap too.
Only DLAA looks just about passable compared to native resolution but that's mainly because you can pair it with frame gen. On a 4070 Super I can get roughly 60fps at 1440p at native while DLAA 1440p with frame gen will give me over 100fps pretty much all the time. Some of the traversal stutter is disappointing too. I'll definitely be waiting on the DF analysis and PS5 comparison before grabbing this on PC as I suspect this will be earmarked for PS5 Pro support at launch.
I also can't for the life of me get the DualSense haptic features to work because Steam Input is being an absolute bitch, yet I have to keep it enabled to get any sort of controller support working at all.
Only DLAA looks just about passable compared to native resolution but that's mainly because you can pair it with frame gen. On a 4070 Super I can get roughly 60fps at 1440p at native while DLAA 1440p with frame gen will give me over 100fps pretty much all the time. Some of the traversal stutter is disappointing too. I'll definitely be waiting on the DF analysis and PS5 comparison before grabbing this on PC as I suspect this will be earmarked for PS5 Pro support at launch.
I also can't for the life of me get the DualSense haptic features to work because Steam Input is being an absolute bitch, yet I have to keep it enabled to get any sort of controller support working at all.
Last edited:
nikos
Member
Game uses DLSS 3.5.10 lol. Must be an older build or they really don't give a shit.
FSR3 on Native AA (not upscaling) looks way better than DLAA, which looks soft, but FSR3 Frame Generation is garbage. EDIT: Looks aliased like this now. May need to turn down sharpness. There also appears to be slight ghosting around edges.
Disabling upscaling altogether also looks soft. If you don't need Frame Generation, FSR3 + Native AA seems to have the best image quality.
Performance seems good so far. Still playing.
FSR3 on Native AA (not upscaling) looks way better than DLAA, which looks soft, but FSR3 Frame Generation is garbage. EDIT: Looks aliased like this now. May need to turn down sharpness. There also appears to be slight ghosting around edges.
Disabling upscaling altogether also looks soft. If you don't need Frame Generation, FSR3 + Native AA seems to have the best image quality.
Performance seems good so far. Still playing.
Last edited:
GHG
Member
I'm gonna to download it to my Steamdeck, I expect it to run well on low settings
It doesn't, runs and looks like absolute ass no matter the settings.
Stick to desktops for this one.
ssringo
Member
Windows 11, 7800X3D, 4070 Ti Super, 32GB RAM, 1440p resolution. System updated and with latest GPU drivers. Played through the swamp to get a general feel. I'm pretty satisfied with performance other than the 30fps cutscenes but they aren't a dealbreaker.
Everything maxed with DLSS OFF I fluctuate between 60 and 90 fps. With DLSS (dynamic resolution disabled) with framegen on I'm getting 144fps+. Considering I have a high end PC and am only at 1440p it obviously should be running well. But honestly I was kinda expecting a bit of a shitshow.
As a sidenote when I started the game it defaulted to borderless and with a lower internal resolution which looked blurry/kinda bad but had a framerate in the 200s. Quickly remedied but briefly had me watching the game with a raised eyebrow.
Everything maxed with DLSS OFF I fluctuate between 60 and 90 fps. With DLSS (dynamic resolution disabled) with framegen on I'm getting 144fps+. Considering I have a high end PC and am only at 1440p it obviously should be running well. But honestly I was kinda expecting a bit of a shitshow.
As a sidenote when I started the game it defaulted to borderless and with a lower internal resolution which looked blurry/kinda bad but had a framerate in the 200s. Quickly remedied but briefly had me watching the game with a raised eyebrow.
Last edited:
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Thanks for the heads up. I made the switch to the latest DLL file off the TechPowerUP site.
Sentenza
Member
God, I played this goddamn demo for one hour or so and so far I got the impression that more than waiting a PC port I could have "played" this with a Youtube playlist, because almost all I did so far was pressing forward to walk, pressing A to progress a dialogue and watch cutscenes.
Last edited:
nikos
Member
Just did the same and it still looks horrible, even on DLAA.
Not sure if it's the fault of DLSS though, as it looks soft even with upscaling completely disabled. Only FSR3 + Native AA looks sharp but that has its own issues.
Last edited:
winjer
Gold Member
Are you using the new driver with support for the game?
Fbh
Member
The opening of the game (which is the demo) is a lot more story/cinematic focused than the rest of the game.
Afterwards there are still a lot of cutscenes and dialogue but it's balanced with more gameplay later on.
That said I actually thought the first 4-5 hours of the game are the best part as it's when the story was at its best and it's before you realize how shit most of the design is.
Last edited:
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Have you tried using Nvidia's sharpening filter?
nikos
Member
I have. Filters don't seem to work with this game.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Nvidia has driver level sharpening I believe in Control Panel.
nikos
Member
Good call. Will try that if the final release still has issues.
JimboJones
Member
FF15 had a decent PC port from what I remember. Seems to be anytime they use unreal with big projects they shit the bed with PC port, will be interesting to see how Rebirth fairs.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This is fucking insane. The game starts with a cutscene, then you walk for literally 2 seconds, and another one plays for 10 minutes, then you run for maybe 30 seconds, then another 5 minutes cutscene. You do the training which takes 5 minutes, then another cutscene. You leave the training area, another cutscene. This is ridiculous. I ended up skipping them because I simply wanted to get a feel for the combat.
I think bombarding the players with exposition and dialogue is a horrible way to start a game. Let us get accustomed to the movements, the weight, the combat, and the general gameplay. Then start with the story.
Also, overall performance is alright. I did spot a stutter here and there, especially during camera cuts, but in-game, it generally was pretty smooth. A couple of frame spikes. Max settings 3440x1440/DLAA on a 4090. Generally 80-100 fps. Combat was around 90 fps.
Last edited:
Zathalus
Member
The combat is shit unfortunately, oh sure it can be good on NG+ but it’s so stupidly easy on your first playthrough that it basically boils down to do whatever you want as it really doesn’t matter.
SkylineRKR
Member
You're in for a treat. The gameplay and quest design is absolutely boring througout.
MikeM
Gold Member
I didn’t know a new driver was out. I guess i’ll try it- my current 23.11.1 has been very reliable so scared to update.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
And now you understand why when XIV veterans say XVI takes many of XIV's flaws and puts it into a blender. This is the result.
XVI will make XIII look good on that metric alone.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This is markedly different from FF VII Remake which starts with one introductory cutscene and immediately plunges you into the action almost nonstop for a good 40 minutes.
simpatico
Member
7800x3D
GTX 1080
Really old drivers
Able to get mostly 60fps with XeSS and a mix of settings. Mostly low and medium. Looks good, only drops when stuff hits the fan. 60 or above when you're just walking through the forest fighting goblins. Very soft image. Even when I tried it with upscaling off. Something strange about it overall. Like it's got a filter. Zero stutters. Just good ol drops when you'd expect.
As a game, it's not for me. Been a while since I played a FF and I forgot just how many cutscenes there are. It's really aggravating. Walk straight for 11 seconds, cutscene. Go through two rooms. Cutscene. Tooltips are everywhere too. Even in each tab of the pause menu. Every tooltip stops the game and requires a button press to go away. Great idea. I think for a demo they would have left a better impression if they just got to the action. Tutorial was brutal. By the time it was over I was done. Movement is sloppy. Camera is bad. Jumping is worse. I really don't see why they don't just make it turn based instead of making it a C tier action game. Just make the best AAA turn based game ever? How is it even a question.
GTX 1080
Really old drivers
Able to get mostly 60fps with XeSS and a mix of settings. Mostly low and medium. Looks good, only drops when stuff hits the fan. 60 or above when you're just walking through the forest fighting goblins. Very soft image. Even when I tried it with upscaling off. Something strange about it overall. Like it's got a filter. Zero stutters. Just good ol drops when you'd expect.
As a game, it's not for me. Been a while since I played a FF and I forgot just how many cutscenes there are. It's really aggravating. Walk straight for 11 seconds, cutscene. Go through two rooms. Cutscene. Tooltips are everywhere too. Even in each tab of the pause menu. Every tooltip stops the game and requires a button press to go away. Great idea. I think for a demo they would have left a better impression if they just got to the action. Tutorial was brutal. By the time it was over I was done. Movement is sloppy. Camera is bad. Jumping is worse. I really don't see why they don't just make it turn based instead of making it a C tier action game. Just make the best AAA turn based game ever? How is it even a question.
Oh I would play it before you ask that question...
Last edited:
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Remake and Rebirth are fine. XVI is very exposition and cutscene heavy. It has a very modern MMO style of walk 10 feet talk to NPC and then cutscene. 50% to 60% of XVI is either exposition or cinematic overload.
I'll probably buy the game on sale as a hack and slash to pass the time but it'll be a huge slog.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Thought the drivers had already come out for Wukong?
Myths
Member
Wait wheres it at? I refuse to continue without a fix.
Kazdane
Member
I'm wondering the same. Real-time dialogues are capped to whatever you cap the game, cutscenes are capped at 30, except for one towards the end of the demo
When the Fire Eikon is beating Phoenix
Self_Destructive
Member
The reason why they're capped at 30fps is probably because cutscenes in this game are a hybrid of real-time rendered models and pre-rendered effects and lighting which are composited together. If the real time aspects of the cutscenes were being rendered at high framerates, and the composited CG aspects are stuck at 30 fps, it would look terrible, and could potentially desync at some point.
To change this, SquareEnix would have to go through the entire game and re-render all the CG aspects at 60+fps. It's the same reason why we're not going to get ultrawide either. All the CG elements would only be rendered at 16:9 aspect ratio.. so forcing the real-time aspect of the cutscenes into 21:9 or 32:9, would look absolutely ridiculous lmao.
Last edited:
Irobot82
Member
It's just super jarring. Running like 90-110 FPS only to see it turn into a slide show.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
This game is using Direct Storage.
//DEVIL//
Member
7800x 3d. 4090.
4k. everything maxed. dlss 3 on quality. no frame generation. locked on 4k 144 ( rarely dips to 130s but mostly solid ) no stutter during actual gameplay/running/fighting.
however, it did stutter to but just a little during the CG cutscenes ( titan vs Shiva for example ) but nothing that is very distracting or annoying.
what is fucking annoying is that fucking pos 30 fps cutscenes.. what the fuck this is not a PS5. fix this shit.
on a side note. epic music and fights as always.
I will double dip on this for sure but not day one. ill wait till its like 40$ Canadian or something.
4k. everything maxed. dlss 3 on quality. no frame generation. locked on 4k 144 ( rarely dips to 130s but mostly solid ) no stutter during actual gameplay/running/fighting.
however, it did stutter to but just a little during the CG cutscenes ( titan vs Shiva for example ) but nothing that is very distracting or annoying.
what is fucking annoying is that fucking pos 30 fps cutscenes.. what the fuck this is not a PS5. fix this shit.
on a side note. epic music and fights as always.
I will double dip on this for sure but not day one. ill wait till its like 40$ Canadian or something.
nikos
Member
WSGF discord. It’s where most ultrawide fixes come from.
Join the WSGF Discord Server!
We discuss, review and create solutions to ensure that games work in all display configurations. | 4857 members
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
which one?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Booted it up, gave an error that my video card isn't supported because of running an old driver.
Game boots up anyway, defaults to ultra settings with FSR3/dynamic resolution, but I notice the game is locked at 1080p, must be the old driver.
I turn off dynamic res and set FSR3 to native AA.
opening runs at 80-120 fps, and had some added sharpness because of FSR3, but I noticed some ghosting.
Switched to xess/anti-aliasing and the ghosting seems gone, but the image was a bit too soft, so I just turn off upscaling alltogether.
first castle area was 50-70 fps, switched the first setting (rendering quality) and shadows to medium, got it to 60-80, first combat area ran 80-100, second area similar but the dragoon fight managed to drop to 55fps for some reason.
The challenge ran around 70fps on average; think I'll be able to swing 1440p/60 with full game and proper drivers.
Got a bit annoyed by the whole walk/cutscene/walk/cutscene nonsense, but the combat was good and there's some very cool rendering techniques being used, so it looked great even at 1080p.
i9 109k / 7800 xt
Edit: will probably get it if it's on sale during the winter sale.
Game boots up anyway, defaults to ultra settings with FSR3/dynamic resolution, but I notice the game is locked at 1080p, must be the old driver.
I turn off dynamic res and set FSR3 to native AA.
opening runs at 80-120 fps, and had some added sharpness because of FSR3, but I noticed some ghosting.
Switched to xess/anti-aliasing and the ghosting seems gone, but the image was a bit too soft, so I just turn off upscaling alltogether.
first castle area was 50-70 fps, switched the first setting (rendering quality) and shadows to medium, got it to 60-80, first combat area ran 80-100, second area similar but the dragoon fight managed to drop to 55fps for some reason.
The challenge ran around 70fps on average; think I'll be able to swing 1440p/60 with full game and proper drivers.
Got a bit annoyed by the whole walk/cutscene/walk/cutscene nonsense, but the combat was good and there's some very cool rendering techniques being used, so it looked great even at 1080p.
i9 109k / 7800 xt
Edit: will probably get it if it's on sale during the winter sale.
Last edited:
Myths
Member
Im spending a lot of time just analyzing texture and material lighting.
Also made it a read only file
This would be in %Documents%> My Games > FFXVI Demo directory
Also made it a read only file
Last edited:
It's cinematic, it's a creative choice. Why do you want to cutscenes to look like uncanny valley cheap soap operas? It's supposed to be 30 FPS like a movie
b0uncyfr0
Member
AMD's new drivers fixed the stutterring in the first scene, so thats a nice first step.
I dont see any improvements per say to frame rate (maybe a small bump but its most likely placebo )
AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 24.10.37.01 Release Notes
Myths
Thanks for the widescreen config!
Edit: Yap, widescreen works but i can safely say it broke frame generation (with FSR3 at least). I can see clear artifacting where the 16:9 line border is. So something weird going on there, they've probably hardcoded frame gen to act in a specific way and it doesnt know how to work with non 16:9 resolutions
I dont see any improvements per say to frame rate (maybe a small bump but its most likely placebo )
AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 24.10.37.01 Release Notes
Myths
Thanks for the widescreen config!Edit: Yap, widescreen works but i can safely say it broke frame generation (with FSR3 at least). I can see clear artifacting where the 16:9 line border is. So something weird going on there, they've probably hardcoded frame gen to act in a specific way and it doesnt know how to work with non 16:9 resolutions
Last edited:
lmimmfn
Member
Not yet for NVidia, the current latest driver is 560.81 from August 6th but that doesnt include Black Myth Wukong(did include FF16 though), i just dont want to install 2
I'd imagine because it's not even a creative choice but a technical fault where if you let people turn off motion blur etc, it won't look like watching a film or tv show but worse.
I haven't played it on PC since I've already done it on PS but, could that be why?
Flyingpanther
Member
Just played the demo I have a locked 60 fps, everything max and 4k. Rtx 4090 and the 7800x3d. I also noticed way less ghosting then the ps5 version.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
On Windows runs at over 30fps FSR quality/balance with frame gen with everything on low except textures on medium, but frame rate drops drastically a lot and the game have SLOWDOWN SPEED!!! Lol lol lol Square square lol...I'm gonna to download it to my Steamdeck, I expect it to run well on low settings
Celcius
°Temp. member
New nvidia driver 560.94 is out now. It says "This new Game Ready Driver provides the best gaming experience for the latest new games supporting DLSS 3.5 technology including Star Wars Outlaws. Further support for new titles leveraging DLSS technology includes Black Myth: Wukong, FINAL FANTASY XVI, and Concord which support DLSS 3. In addition, this driver supports the launch of Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2."
Might be worth seeing if it makes a difference for this demo....
Might be worth seeing if it makes a difference for this demo....
Driver Details | NVIDIA
Download the <dd~LanguageName> <dd~Name> for <dd~OSName> systems. Released <dd~ReleaseDateTime>
www.nvidia.com
Unknown Soldier
Member
edit: wrong thread lmao
Last edited:
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yep, unstable stutter fest even with 30 FPS lock on my rig, surprisingly enough though, the game can barely eat 9,5 GBs of VRAM at 4K fully maxed which is totally unexpected, given just how good the game looks even on the PS5. I'd wait for performance patches, but I'm not going to buy the game again since they left everything as is and not addressed any issues people had with the game.
Last edited: