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Digitimes: NX mass production delayed to early 2017, VR integration, hybrid(?)

THE:MILKMAN said:
I don't know what to think anymore. Nintendo need their version of the PS1 at this point. Simple, powerful enough and cheap. No gimmicks, just games.

The VR talk in this article has to be BS though, right? Sony have spent 100's? of millions of dollars and 3-4 years on it and it is clearly still early both in HW and software.

I doubt Nintendo can knock something up in a year or less.
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nintendo's been supporting gyro controls and motion controls for a decade now. i don't think they'd have as big an obstacle to clear for hardware or software.

Tom Nook Sawyer said:
Hmm?
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i mean ps4/xb1 or wii u kinds of games. seems like the device would need to be a lot of different things and either be watered down or prohibitively expensive (so watered down it is).
 
AniHawk said:
i mean ps4/xb1 or wii u kinds of games. seems like the device would need to be a lot of different things and either be watered down or prohibitively expensive (so watered down it is).
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If it's primarily a handheld, yeah it'd be watered down. Wouldn't be surprised from Nintendo
 
It doesn't make sense for me for several reasons:

  • They won't have an easy local MP solution which is one of the cornerstones of Nintendo evergreen sales
  • They will be able to implement a VR solution in half a year on hardware that wasn't made for it, when Sony and MS took years to do so?
  • They cut production expectations in half already even with the added VR prospect?

I don't really think so, it doesn't seem like something Nintendo would do. They often overestimate the impact of their hardware, don't really react to modern trends, just to follow their own vision and stay pretty close to what they can do well.
We'll see though. I'm excited to finally find out, what this is all about - even if it's later this year and not E3.
 
I present you NX

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NX is everything and nothing. NX is life, NX is you !
 
Tom Nook Sawyer said:
Wasn't it "confirmed" by that one Japanese outlet that it would have a handheld component?

I'm convinced it's going to be a hybrid to some degree, but not a full replacement for both lines
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A hybrid means it's only one thing though. Iwata said its same OS like Apple iOS through multiple devices.
 
Don't know/don't trust the digitimes. still think the NX production rumors from a while ago (wasn't it like November?) about the systems being in production now-ish are true, and the console will launch at like PS4.0 specs.
 
Smells like horseshit from miles, not believing this for a second.

But just for the sake of speculation, would be interesting if they used the supposed screen for VR, like the S7. You just buy a cheap accessory and you're good to go. Problem is, that screen should be 1080p OLED, which isn't cheap.


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John Harker said:
I find myself sceptical of this article
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Yeah, RIP digitimes lol
 
Iwata said no hybrid, and i have my doubts that Kimishima would paddle back on what is one of the most basic premises of the system and made it a hybrid, that would fuck up ... like anything and every timeline for this thing.

I also can't see them having their own VR system/headset/whatever. The other companies are either having their own system long planned and developed, or are partnering with a provider who has an own system long planned an developed.

John Harker said:
I find myself sceptical of this article
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And with this, this thread is about done, i'd say. ^^
 
Rumor is likely trash. VR is early, and one thing Nintendo is guaranteed to be, is late on new technology. LOL @ trying to sell me on the idea that these guys are gearing up to catch the cusp of the latest VR trend.

I think you all are mental if you believe this.
 
This sounds like a very bad idea for Nintendo. They do not want to be a footnote in the VR race. They should go for their own thing.
 
I seriously doubt Nintendo are going to do VR. That seems too reactionary for them, and they need to concentrate on making the NX itself a success first.
 
Cipherr said:
Rumor is likely trash. VR is early, and one thing Nintendo is guaranteed to be, is late on new technology. LOL @ trying to sell me on the idea that these guys are gearing up to catch the cusp of the latest VR trend.

I think you all are mental if you believe this.
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Nintendo did "VR" in the nineties and was on the forefront of touchscreen, motion and glassless 3D trends. If there's one thing Nintendo is guaranteed to be is that they are early on new technology, which actually makes the VR rumor less likely than the inverse.
 
I dunno. Only read the first post but...Sounds fake.

First off, didnt Miyamoto downplay VR at E3 last year?
Then Nintendo repeatedly said its not that type of hybrid..
And if it is a handheld console it will need to have a really high rez screen. Better than that of the latest galaxy phones even. Plus the system needs to be powerful enough to output two images at 1080p or higher and 60fps or higher. Then there is the fact you will need a headset attachment that you'd put the device into. And then there is the fact that itll be competing with mobile and that means it will also be competing with Gear VR and unfortunately I dont think Nintendo can be very competitive in that space cause itll be likely Samsung will contine to have the better screens and Oculus the better vr technology since they already have a headstart...


And then there is just the fact that I do not believe that what we have seen of Zelda U can run on a handheld unless severely downgraded. I mean, the NX version could scale to mobile HW if there were two devices but the rumor is there is one device so that would mean the handheld is more powerful than the og ps4 and that is just too unbelievable for me.
 
The only way I can see them doing VR, is if they just have the NX support 3rd party headsets like the Rift and Vive. VR is still too expensive for them to bundle with a console or even sell as an accessory. But maybe they add in support for other headsets for those that already own them. I don't know how feasible that would be, I would imagine the hardware would need to be pretty powerful to support it.
 
Nintendo originally planned to order 20 million units for the first year, but its shipment target is now only 9.5-10 million units. The sources believe the reduction was due to the fact that video game console market has been shrinking and concerns triggered by its Wii U's unsatisfactory shipment performance of two million units in 2015.
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Oh boy, so they 've already signed it off.

edit: unless it's al speculation garbage
 
Let's break down if this rumour is feasible or not.

1. hardware Power/cost
It costs roughly $215 to make an Apple iPhone 6 and $255 to make a Samsung Galaxy S7 not including research costs or marketing. If Nintendo (or a partner like say Nvidia from the other rumours) were happy to take a loss on the R and D they could sell a cutting edge VR ready handheld for $299 (with a free game) and be right at their normal price point. Especially since Nintendo would remove certain features like the expensive Camera.

technology
Nintendo has been on the cutting edge of motion control and Eye tracking technology due to the exotic hardware of the Wii (motion controls) 3DS (eye tracking) WiiU (Gyro Controls) all key elements of the VR puzzle that Nintendo have ready and working in house

Not wanting to be left behind
Nintendo launched the WiiU as an underpowered console and were badly burned. It makes sense for them to want to return to the cutting edge of technology. A space they have been in for most of their life as a company

Edit Nintendos new daisy chain power sharing patent. It allows multiple devices to share their power. What if it's purpose wast some wired power boost concept, but a new technology that allows multiple handheld users to power the same shared world. So if you had 2 people playing togeather the game would share the resources and run it better then with 1. This would work even better with additional devices.

Edit 2. There is a rumour the NX has a curved display. With holesdrilled in it. It would make a lot of sense logically to use a curved display for VR as it better captures a persons FOV. Something like a 21/9 7inch curved display seems in line with both the tech requirements of VR and various Nintendo rumours
 
I really think that making it a handheld/console hybrid will compromise the quality of the hardware and games. I don't like the idea at all.
 
It sounds awful and I hope it is fake but I believe it.
#1 - it sounds too bad to be true, which as some have noted is Nintendo standard operating procedure
#2 - there are no more gimmicks. Motion control is over. A controller with a screen in it has failed in the marketplace. VR is one of the few new way's to play they can add to their new system.
Please kimi, don't inflict this crappy VR shit on us
 
This sounds like a garbage rumour to me and I don't believe it. Everything Nintendo is doing points towards NX, as in the product launching in March 2017, is purely a home console SKU. Just look at the projected shipment numbers for Wii U and 3DS this FY, and look at the software lineup. They are expecting a sharp decline in shipments for Wii U; they would not be doing this if they didn't expect demand to dramatically drop once NX is revealed this year. 3DS is only expected to drop slightly, not in any way an unusual downwards trajectory for a product in its 6th year without a clear replacement announced.
 
Nintendo cant just slap VR onto something...that doesnt make any sense at all...last year they were all "thats not social its just tech"...(and they were kinda right) I think its BS...

Dont they usually start producing like 6-9 months before release?
 
I can buy a production delay but not much else here. There seem to be a lot of NX games in the pipeline and maybe they wouldn't all be ready for holiday 2016, but perhaps it's more like Nintendo would bide their time and polish those games while they await readiness on certain essential hardware components; FinFET SOC, mega-capacity ROM cards, gimmick X, etc. If NX were right now facing teething issues you know we wouldn't hear it from Nintendo. It would be a shame if the seemingly necessary Zelda Wii U delay were to rip an even bigger hole in their lineup.
 
HandsomeCharles said:
They said that VR made for solo experiences which is not what they were attempting to accomplish with the Wii U. They didn't outright say they weren't going to do it.
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Well ok, yet you cant just add VR that simply to a console...look at Sony, it doesnt seem that easy to get that VR running, plus its expensive...
 
So VR, hybrid, and mobile all in one device? Yeah, I just don't know, this rumor doesn't seem right to me. Unless Nintendo is going really out there with the NX.
 
Dagobert Duck said:
Well ok, yet you cant just add VR that simply to a console...look at Sony, it doesnt seem that easy to get that VR running, plus its expensive...
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Tbh it seemed more like a "dodge the question" answer at the time. I wouldn't say it's off the table, but I also don't think it's all that likely either.
 
Dagobert Duck said:
Well ok, yet you cant just add VR that simply to a console...look at Sony, it doesnt seem that easy to get that VR running, plus its expensive...
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It's less expensive if Nvidia are subsidising the cost of R&D like another rumour suggested because because they are looking for a proof of concept for how VR will work.

Now I'm getting way too excited. This probably wot happen.
 
Pretty skeptical about all this.
Nintendo is now planning to add VR function to the device to satisfy the popular trend in the gaming market
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but this could just mean Nintendo is enabling VR functionality in terms of hardware, to permit VR headsets to connect to the console and permit 3rd dev to release game with that functionality. They don't speak at all of a Nintendo VR headset at least in a first step.
 
Thread has been closed because no need for a specific thread but imo StarFox Zero could be used as a good example to demonstrate what Nintendo could do with VR.

Cockpit / Gamepad view <=> VR Headset
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Still I don't think they'll do more than just demoing the fact that their platform is VR "ready" / "capable". They won't make VR games till they have a dedicated headset to sell and it's not coming soon (if coming) imo.

Again the idea is to make NX compatible with many accessories, controllers, devices so VR is in the list for sure.

For me it's more VR ready (sort of) than VR integration. There won't be any headset in the bundle imo
 
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