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AP: Clinton clinches Democratic Nomination

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Amir0x said:
haha oh man it's literally the reddit BernieForPresident line in all their topics. That's what you were referencing, right? As if Hillary voters staying home on the 7th would even change this at this point lol

god the sheer delusion of these folk
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It takes a special kind of logic to think that the opponent clinching the contest can lead to victory.
 
FloydtheFathead said:
Outright call Hillary a bitch during the debates.. Or dropping the n word publicly when Obama starts to go to town on him in full force..

That I would say are the two things that could be worse than what he's already said.
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Those are extremes he won't go to IMO; maybe a videotape of him saying those words behind scenes could be leaked, but I can't imagine him openly saying those things in a debate or on the stump.

I'd be more apt to believe his next disaster will be similar to the judge situation in terms of very awkward racism or sexism. For instance imagine him saying Chicago's high violence rate is due to Obama setting a poor example for black people ("he doesn't follow the laws so they don't either"). Or imagine he responds to a temperament question by saying Hillary's "time of the month" means she isn't qualified to be president. Those are the type of ignorant things he says.

I'd imagine Obama will bait him on Thursday and we'll see what happens. Gotta say I'm surprised and a bit concerned about Trump's post convention implosion. I would have hoped for this to happen after he becomes the nominee officially.
 
hammysaurusrex said:
To be fair, I imagine a huge chunk of Hillary supporters will be staying home instead of hitting the booths... because they already voted.
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Early voting will probably save Hillary in CA.
But even without it, she was not getting less than 30% of the vote, which is all she needs.
 
Cheebo said:
Even if Bernie won in a blowout it wouldn't somehow magically make Hillary no longer the nominee.
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If he somehow got over 70% of the vote in CA, and won NJ he could make a solid case.
That won't happen though.
 
AntraxSuicide said:
Perez
Kaine
Warren
Biden again
Castro

I'm betting on Perez getting it. Virtually no downsides.
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Warren is not going to be the VP. Not only is she ideologically opposed to Hillary, that asshole and his pickup truck would move across state lines again and run for Senate.

I think Kaine is the guy. It's boring as fuck and makes sense.

Perez I think is second most likely. I don't know if Dominican American is going to get you the same demographic help as Castro, but he's super fucking smart and his dad gained citizenship by punching Nazi's and that's going to go over super well as a life story.

Castro is exciting, but it means you are really going all in on a voting bloc showing up who never has (but who might show up anyway bc of Trump). Also, Castro's mom was batshit insane and he doesn't speak Spanish. That said, he was a fucking amazing mayor for San Antonio and used public/private partnerships to really make that city amazing. So, she might value him solely for his ability to actually govern.
 
Congrats to Hillary. Save for whatever disruptions Sanders may attempt to make, this marks the battleground as her vs. Trump now for sure.

Justin said:
Here are some highlights from the party convention of the third largest political party in America.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8cErokGFs
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StoOgE said:
Warren is not going to be the VP. Not only is she ideologically opposed to Hillary, that asshole and his pickup truck would move across state lines again and run for Senate.

I think Kaine is the guy. It's boring as fuck and makes sense.

Perez I think is second most likely. I don't know if Dominican American is going to get you the same demographic help as Castro, but he's super fucking smart and his dad gained citizenship by punching Nazi's and that's going to go over super well as a life story.

Castro is exciting, but it means you are really going all in on a voting bloc showing up who never has (but who might show up anyway bc of Trump). Also, Castro's mom was batshit insane and he doesn't speak Spanish. That said, he was a fucking amazing mayor for San Antonio and used public/private partnerships to really make that city amazing. So, she might value him solely for his ability to actually govern.
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I also don't want Warren. She's fine in ideology, but like you mentioned, I don't really trust special elections in MA.

Castro not speaking Spanish and having less major govt experience could hurt his chances, and I think Hillary in particular is more policy/experience oriented.

I'm basically down to Perez or Kaine.
 
HylianTom said:
It's akin to players walking up to a tug-of-war contest and refusing to join a side; instead, they opt to jerk-off on the sidelines.

Sure, you're pulling on something.. but you're relinquishing your voice on the eventual outcome.
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This is super late, but damn do I love this analogy.
 
Wait a min, has the superdelegates voted? I mean, yes there isn't a huge chance that they change their votes but why count votes which dont exist? Am I crazy in thinking that votes should only be counted after cast?
 
GTP_Daverytimes said:
Wait a min, has the superdelegates voted? I mean, yes there isn't a huge chance that they change their votes but why count votes which dont exist? Am I crazy in thinking that votes should only be counted after cast?
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Once a candidate has 50% +1 of all pledged + super delegates on their side they become the presumptive nominee. Not the nominee full stop, the presumptive.
 
I think it's Perez if Hillary's still in a close race in a month, Kaine if she's up by a lot. Though I hope she picks Perez. I would've preferred Baccera, but oh well.

GTP_Daverytimes said:
Wait a min, has the superdelegates voted? I mean, yes there isn't a huge chance that they change their votes but why count votes which dont exist? Am I crazy in thinking that votes should only be counted after cast?
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That's why they're the presumptive nominee.
 
GTP_Daverytimes said:
Wait a min, has the superdelegates voted? I mean, yes there isn't a huge chance that they change their votes but why count votes which dont exist? Am I crazy in thinking that votes should only be counted after cast?
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The leading candidate doesn't become the official nominee until the convention. Before that, they're referred to as just the presumptive nominee.

Superdelegates don't vote until the convention, but considering the vast majority of them say they're committed to Hillary, none have changed their stance in the last year, and Hillary is leading in both pledged delegates and the popular vote, there's absolutely no reason to think they will vote for someone else at the convention. If you want to ignore supers altogether until the convention, she is still the presumptive nominee based on her lead in the popular vote and pledged delegate count.
 
If it's Tom Perez vs Tim Kaine, I want Kaine. He may be the more boring pick, but it's the responsible one. He'd also help deliver VA which goes a long way towards securing the nomination regardless of FL/PA/OH and the usual battlegrounds.
 
3phemeral said:
Why wait when he's imploding now, making it even easier for Hillary?
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I don't think he can say or do anything that will actually harm his chances (at least it seems like it up until now) while the same cannot be said for Clinton (Wall Street speech release or FBI investigation release might screw with her chances).
 
Zee-Row said:
Bernie gets my vote if he goes independent
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Not possible this late, unless his plan is to get on enough ballots to make Trump president yet have no real chance at winning since he likely would not be on 270 electoral votes worth of states.
 
My mail in ballot is in since like 3 weeks ago in CA for Clinton.
According to CA primary rules that entitles me to a second vote in person and a chance at a daily double vote to make it count for double the value. That's like 20 votes if I don't hit a whammy.

Happy Primary Day CA, we're inconsequential but lets act like we're not!
 
Suikoguy said:
Not possible this late, unless his plan is to get on enough ballots to make Trump president yet have no real chance at winning since he likely would not be on 270 electoral votes worth of states.
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Let's be real now.

Does Bernie care about math at this point?
 
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