Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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Excuse me while I go throw up.
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therealist
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It's time to stop blaming "the country" when we are "the country". Sorry but posts like yours do not add anything whatsoever. If we want to do it we have to do it slowly, and that begins by voting not only just for presidents but for local politicians as well. You're naive if you expect this fight to be quick. Based on how divisive this issue is, this battle will wage for decades.
Epsilon-delta
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This is what I feared and the shit actually happened.
He's pointing out the irony.
The shooter is supposedly Shiite, yet he called 911 ahead of time and declared his allegiance to ISIS.
The very same ISIS who HATES Shiites, along with Sunnis that don't adhere to their strain of radical Islam.
Apparently all are impossible so we all retreat to our individual defensive positions, make no moves forward and within a week forget about this incident and wait for the next one next week and start all over.
Audioboxer
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Excuse me while I go throw up.
Chilling :'(
Darryl M R
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Thanks for informing me on the situation. Hopefully all the information regarding associates and potential other targets can be found.
Truly sad. DC pride parade went through the neighborhood I live in and it was felt amazing to see a city come out and show support. . and then this news hit everyone across the country.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
People can't read apparently, your context was very clear. Some GAF posters aren't very bright and post before they think.
That was years ago, really doesn't mean anything now.
No one seriously advocates the banning of guns in the U.S.. But guess what happens? Every time a reasonable gun control measure is proposed, it gets viewed by gun nuts as the first step towards an all-out ban. And the measure doesn't get passed as a result.
So when you say shit like "neogaf cares more about taking away our guns, than the issue at hand here", I hope you realize you are one of those paranoid gun nuts who supposedly believe in tighter control, but balks at any actual legislation to enact said control.
Most won't care about that. Hell, plenty of people on my FB feed are calling for Trump to be President and to ban Muslims from entering the country and to police their neighborhoods.
RowdyReverb
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While I agree that tighter gun control would reduce shooting deaths in the US, wouldn't a member of a terrorist group still manage to gain access to firearms through illegal means?
I've said it already but Sandy Hook was so horrific on so many levels (this is too obviously), if nothing happened then, there's little to no chance anything can happen, ever.
Maybe one day if Democrats have all bodies of legislature, and a favorable Supreme Court...
Even then, the NRA has so much pull, it's hard to imagine.
obijkenobi
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I think part of Obamas delivery in that speech is that there is still a ton of unknown info
Dreams-Visions
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Stop projecting your argument with someone else onto my post. You don't know me, what I do or have done. If you have some thoughts you feel are important, just post them. I'm not your vehicle to deliver self-righteousness.
Nah, he knows 50 more innocent people died to gun violence under his guard.
He's given up emotionally. He already knows what the outcome will be.
Well I don't know that you need to spend 4 weeks in one of their training camp in Syria and have received directives from the top brass to be one of their members.
I don't think (but I'm not sure either) that all the terrorists involved in the 11.13.15 Paris attacks had ever been in daesh territory.
How long ago was she married to him? Sometimes this radicalisation can happen fairly fast.
Yeah that makes sense, sorry for jumping the gun on you, but considering how this thread is going I'm sure it won't take long for that type of shit.
Gentleman Jack
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It's about as relevant as quoting Ahmadinejad on the matter. The post provided no evidence that the shooter even attended the event. If he had I wouldn't have reacted to the source, which is firmly in the conspiratorial camp and it would be prudent to be cautious when adding that video to the pool of evidence we need to understand this mass shooting.
I mean, we are both saying this.
King Tubby
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I would strongly doubt if any of these "radicalizations" isn't preceded by turmoil or angst within the perpetrator's life.
Arrogant Bastard
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Cause he is, he knows shit isn't going to change. People for some odd reason will not give a single inch on guns. People actually think it is acceptable that you can purchase a firearm without a minimal background check. Obama cannot get that tiny restriction or a ban on magazine size. He cannot get those two minor things, I would be defeated too.
You do realize that Christian countries have been bombing Muslim countries for fifteen straight years and had been meddling in their affairs for much longer, right? Maybe America should stop slaughtering Muslims abroad for a little while.
GoldenEye 007
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Employer came out confirming he worked with the security company for the last 9 years. The security company contracts with the federal government to protect government buildings. Not sure if he was ever assigned to a federal building or which buildings the company are active at now.
Edit: Was just on CNN.
Edit: Was just on CNN.
March 2009 and they were only married for a few months, so plenty of time to get radicalized.
Considering in 2013/2014 he was being investigated by the FBI for ties to extremists and pledged himself to ISIS before the attack it seems pretty clear he was...
The real battle over this won't though vote. They and I included victories rarely or never happen in elections, which proves one more that these are a really primitive form a democracy. The real fight is in the medias (social and traditional), in the streets, through associations, education and by people getting together to break lobbies and politicians in a system that promotes conservatism. It'll take a lot more than elections (and that's why even with only Bernie Sanders at The White House there's little to do)
Seductivpancakes
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Seems the news and police are calling it a terrorism, but are they gonna deal with it like terrorism? Like go after the most obvious weapon of mass destruction in America. Guns.
Already Torn
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Hunting is one of the best ways to get meat from both an ethical and environmental perspective, particularly if you're hunting deer.
But you don't need an assault rifle to hunt deer.
Close reading into any of these religious texts can justify people killing anyone for any reason while simultaneously outlining murder as the gravest mortal sin.
Most religious people can think critically. It's the extremists that are the problem.
It's like people in the US who shoot census takers who walk on their property. They think that the law supports them unambiguously for things like trespassing, but they're wrong.
OrbitalBeard
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Sandy Hook was the point of no return for this country. It's my view that literally nothing will convince certain Americans and the GOP to make changes to our current system. We could have a gunman go into an office building and slaughter 500 people and nothing would be done.
DragonSworne
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So why won't one of the more liberal states in the union do what NC did against LGBT and just ban guns at the state level?
Push it through and then wait until the the Supreme Court deals with it. Keep pushing it through more and more and keep attacking if.
Republicans do this all the time on abortion, civil liberties, etc.
Push it through and then wait until the the Supreme Court deals with it. Keep pushing it through more and more and keep attacking if.
Republicans do this all the time on abortion, civil liberties, etc.
it would be short lived because they would all be destroy in the next election and the law would be repealed.
holygeesus
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Jesus Christ - just seen footage of the outside of the club here on the news, for the first time in HD and there is just blood everywhere - one can only imagine the horrors inside. Grim.
Already Torn
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It seems that our best bet at this point is to make sure the GOP has as little of a say as possible after November.
SolidSnakex
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Possibly, but I think it comes down largely to him wanting so badly to do something about guns while knowing that there's really nothing he or anyone else really can do. He's even said that the biggest frustration of his presidency is a lack of new gun control laws.
It's about that ideology. That itself is not a matter of debate as I posted by the scripture.
If anything you want to argue use content. For example that imam was Shia and it seem the murdere was Sunni . Even then you could argue his claim by showing scripture evidence where homosexuality is not a crime punish
SparkleMotion
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Can someone explain this? On the Donald Trump subreddit on Reddit and the Fox News comments section for this story, people keep posting "workplace violence" and laughing about it. What does that mean?
Mr Waluigi
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It's because both anti-gun and pro-gun people see such awful events as something that strenghten their opinion about weapons.
A massacre happens? If we had less guns it wouldn't happen so easily.
A massacre happens? If we had more guns it could be stopped in the first place.
The only thing that will stop this nonsense will be politicians stopping their pro-gun propaganda. But that will only happen when it will stop being profitable for them.
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Yep. Nothing will change.
Not true. The only way to get comprehensive gun change to happen in this country is if you can convince America that brown people are putting you in danger. It happened in the 90s, and it can happen now.
On the other hand, the violent Sunni terrorism that we've seen the last thirty years and ISIS is the next chapter of, has its origins firmly in Shia mufti Khomeini's muscle Islamism.
Yes this is the real take away. If you believe strongly about this shot then vote people into office that can make change happen. And not just the president
God Dayumm
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No, and honestly even is homosexuality is a sin in the Bible I challenge anyone to find another event were more than 50 homosexuals were killed by a christian nut or any other religion that is not Islam. You may have to whip out your medieval history books or do some mental gymnastics to include the holocaust.
Souldriver
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I just heard about this terrible event.
My heart goes out to all friends and families of the victims. :'(
My heart goes out to all friends and families of the victims. :'(
hey_monkey
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Pride.
Theanine3D
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There's a difference between saying "Stop assuming it's terrorism before we know everything" and "It's not terrorism"
We obviously know more now as the story has developed. But we didn't know about the 911 call earlier this morning.
People who assume Muslims are behind every atrocity without evidence are the foolish ones.
Corporal Hicks
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And I hope you realize that you are one of those paranoid anti gun nuts who chimes in and toots his horn. And dont act all high and mighty like your shit dont stink,
Arrogant Bastard
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Well it has never been easier to buy a gun in America and there are more guns than ever before so one side sure isn't winning that false argument.
Remember when Obama was gonna take away your guns, good times. Gun laws have actually loosened in the past eight years. Hell, Texas now has full on open carry of handguns.
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