If PC gamers never got to experience games like Demon's Souls or Bloodborne, that would really be a shame. Those games are sooo good. My Souls collection wouldn't feel complete without them, much less the little piece of me that would feel like it's missing if I hadn't played them. Maybe there's a petition you could sign.
Should Sony Release PS4 Exclusives on the PC 3 to 4 Years After Release?
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Wait I just took a stroll through the Fallout 4 console mod thread. Putting games on platforms against the intent of the creators? I'm pretty sure PC gamers are against that now.
They really don't. It's pretty exhausting.
LukasTaves
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Walled gardens can be pro consumer. Like a warranty that there's no malware, and a single place where all developers must go to offer their applications which means competition which drives the price down.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Again, Sony doesn't have a Windows type Platform that it can do that with, and never has Sony taken the task to promise any type of PC committment like Microsoft has. If they did, then sure, give them flak all you want....but Sony never promised to head in that direction and as such, they are right to not receive any flak for that.
DarkLordMalik
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There is a petition for every game for PC.
https://www.change.org/p/bandai-nam...tware-sony-please-release-demon-s-souls-on-pc
The bloodborne one even managed almost 50k signatures.
https://www.change.org/p/from-software-release-bloodborne-for-the-personalized-computing-platform
I'm arguing the ecosystem is a means-to-an-end - much like MS have done with XBox and Winstore.
Now, yeah, there's reasons against my point of view. But there's also reasons for it (imho).
(just when I leave, they pull me back in!)
(Anyway, I really am kinda-scared I'll get perma-banned, so I am actually out now. And we're all going round in circles anyways)
It makes sense for MS because Windows is a tent-pole of their overall business and is in perfect synergy with PC gaming...sort of.
This is not the case for Sony. Whilst it would be great for PC gamers to have their cake and eat it too, Sony has very little to gain from that strategy.
This. It would be awesome for us, but a terrible move for Sony.
PS Now will eventually do this, on any TV, PC, mobile devices, and other Sony consoles.
I'm talking about years from now and I'm only following what they said during the PS4 reveal.
Of course they won't add current gen to the service until a new console comes out because they sell hardware and that's their business but if a new console comes out, PS4 games will probably be added to it at some point.
You just gotta pay a fee.
I'm talking about years from now and I'm only following what they said during the PS4 reveal.
Of course they won't add current gen to the service until a new console comes out because they sell hardware and that's their business but if a new console comes out, PS4 games will probably be added to it at some point.
You just gotta pay a fee.
The 18th Letter
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Should? Sure why not. Those of us that are fine with $1000 upgrades every month and uncomfy chair gaming still get to play games we're interested in. Why would people be upset if PC gamers got to play God of War Ascension?
Will they? Never. Nintendo will go third party before Sony ever brings their real titles to PC.
Will they? Never. Nintendo will go third party before Sony ever brings their real titles to PC.
As a pc gamer, while it'd be nice to pay the handful of exclusives that I want to play on consoles, it seems like it'd be a rather silly business proposition unless someone can show me the numbers would work.
It's a nice to have for the content; I'd love to play the horizon/last guardian/splatoon/Mario karts of the world. But console hardware is worthless for me otherwise. Can't really rationalize why a business would do that given my self-serving perspective.
It's a nice to have for the content; I'd love to play the horizon/last guardian/splatoon/Mario karts of the world. But console hardware is worthless for me otherwise. Can't really rationalize why a business would do that given my self-serving perspective.
Movalpolos
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Well said. This is the absolute truth of the matter.
Idiot fanboys might get upset but you'll find that most of the people in this thread are arguing that it doesn't make any sense for Sony to make this move.
Movalpolos
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orthodoxy1095
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You're a single example. No one cares about you in the greater scheme of things.Niiiiiiice.
Tell me, if I buy a second-hand PS4 and a second-hand game, and I ignore the PSN ecosystem, what revenue does Sony gain?
Yes, there are other issues at work with businesses, but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking explicitly about revenue.
All revenue is not created equal. If revenue is gotten at the cost of cannibalizing other revenue sources, that's a fairly shit revenue source.
Substandard
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I don't think 3-4 years later would really impact the console sales that much, largely because no one is really not buying a Playstation based on the idea that they can maybe play these upcoming exclusives on PC in 2020.
But I also don't know how many copies of 4 year old PC ports they would sell, and there is money / work involved in making ports.
I don't see them ever doing this, it just doesn't seem all that profitable.
But I also don't know how many copies of 4 year old PC ports they would sell, and there is money / work involved in making ports.
I don't see them ever doing this, it just doesn't seem all that profitable.
orthodoxy1095
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I mean, not only for Sony, it still doesn't make much sense for us as consumers.
This is the same issue with Nintendo. If Nintendo loses their hardware business and licensing fees or if Sony loses their PS+ subscriptions and licensing fees, they're going to lose a significant chunk of their income, cutting into their ability to make the games that people are so ravenously begging for in the first place. How the hell is that good for anyone?
I really don't think people understand the business side of this industry at all.
If this was legit their strategy - porting 4 year old games to PC - I can't see how the revenue they make from this is of any interest to Sony whatsoever. Take Dragons Dogma as an example - Capcom was happy with the sales but I doubt the money this made from them is enough to offset the loss of subscriptions and royalties Sony would experience from making similar moves with their own software. If it is it would be so small as to be irrelevant considering the effort in establishing yourself in the PC market. That money would probably better invested elsewhere.
It's all well and good pointing at titles like Trails and Danganronpa as well, but Sony likely isn't interested in this kind of money. They make smaller titles for PlayStation to create variety in their library and develop relationships with devs, not purely for the profit.
The only way Sony games make it to PC on any regular basis is if they make their own storefront. I can see this happening but it's more of a 10 years down the line thing, not immediate. I also think that the variety and strength of their titles (especially this gen) would be an attractive incentive to use such a store over Steam for a lot of people - more than Ubisoft, Microsoft and EA at least. Of course this assumes it is fully functioning and featured, not some barebones shit show.
It's all well and good pointing at titles like Trails and Danganronpa as well, but Sony likely isn't interested in this kind of money. They make smaller titles for PlayStation to create variety in their library and develop relationships with devs, not purely for the profit.
The only way Sony games make it to PC on any regular basis is if they make their own storefront. I can see this happening but it's more of a 10 years down the line thing, not immediate. I also think that the variety and strength of their titles (especially this gen) would be an attractive incentive to use such a store over Steam for a lot of people - more than Ubisoft, Microsoft and EA at least. Of course this assumes it is fully functioning and featured, not some barebones shit show.
TheSpoiler
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I thought the biggest reason why console exist, is that most of the consumer would never get into the "hassle" of PC gaming? Would never abandon their "trophies" and "friendlists"
So what is it, really?
a) majority of console gamer would never buy a PC so a Company like sony can only win if they port their games to a userbase that has no overlap with their own hardware-userbase. So they could make easy money.
or
b) the userbase that would never go into PC gaming is in the minority and Sony has to fear a shrinking console market if they port their first party games
So what is it, really?
a) majority of console gamer would never buy a PC so a Company like sony can only win if they port their games to a userbase that has no overlap with their own hardware-userbase. So they could make easy money.
or
b) the userbase that would never go into PC gaming is in the minority and Sony has to fear a shrinking console market if they port their first party games
Movalpolos
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MS is already established in the PC space.
It would be a big risk for Sony to do the same. And one not worth taking.
Or, you know, just get one of those consoles that play those games later in the gen when they are cheap?
DarkLordMalik
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The reactions to the Xbox/Windows 10 announcement makes me think it is the latter instead of the former.
As I said, I wish they did, but understand why they don't. From a business perspective there's not much they win and risk losing a lot. My only observation is how some people can't understand MS when they do the same. Personally I don't care as I own all the platforms. I applaud MS for their play anywhere initiative.
Which then get people saying "well what's the point of buying an Xbox One" then. They can't seemingly do right whatever they do.
Movalpolos
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Ghostbound
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It would be nice for the sake of preservation, but I don't ever see it happening, especially with how popular remasters have become.
Some people get really touchy when you talk about taking away their exclusives.
Some people get really touchy when you talk about taking away their exclusives.
It's really amazing how you all couldn't stop talking about exclusive this and exclusive that at the beginning of the gen but now that MS has switched it up its no longer about exclusive games.
What I don't get is why don't people ever call for their preferred corporate overlord to release their games on competing consoles and ecosystems. The port begging usually only goes one way,
I would say the opposite. Unless you feel that a significant portion of the PS4 userbase would drop PS hardware for PCs that cost two or three times as much, along with all the added complexity and the lack of good living room solutions. That has never been the case, historically. Consoles have always been about value and convenience. That doesn't change in a hypothetical world where Sony sells games on PC.
TheSpoiler
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What preservation is necessary?
Maybe tons of decades later, when today's systems have all but rotted away, we can start talking about preservation, but right now it's not a necessity. Even then, they could just host it on a Sony Network that doesn't include the PC space at a later date. No Steamfront store type thing needed.
Jonneh3003
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Hopefully you can 3-4 years after I've been a user, it won't matter then.
yurinka
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It doesn't make sense. Sony's current strategy makes sense and that's why they are dominating the consoles market now.
Sony should release their games on PC only after Microsoft and Valve publish their games on PlayStation.Because if their games are released in PC too it wouldn't make sense to buy their consoles.
Microsoft is doing it because they are exiting the console market and shiting their assets to PC.
A movement that makes sense for MS due to the loses that the console adventure generated for them over the years, but not for Sony, who made a profit from consoles and now are leading that market.
Sony should release their games on PC only after Microsoft and Valve publish their games on PlayStation.Because if their games are released in PC too it wouldn't make sense to buy their consoles.
Microsoft is doing it because they are exiting the console market and shiting their assets to PC.
A movement that makes sense for MS due to the loses that the console adventure generated for them over the years, but not for Sony, who made a profit from consoles and now are leading that market.
RichiRamjag
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Well said
SmokedMeat
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PC gamers are used to buying games for cheap. I don't think anyone wants 3-4yr old Sony games at $60.
Today? No.
Tomorrow? No
In the future? Yes.
Sony didn't acquire Gaikai and Onlive for millions of dollars for nothing. The patents, tech, infrastructure and talent is being accumulated for a reason. The endgame forPlaystation is as a future Netflix-style subscription service. Basically PS Now is the future of Playstation as soo as evolved fiber and internet speeds enable stable and lossless streaming. Then, every Smart-TV, Tablet, Laptop, Mac, PC, Smartphone, Blu-ray player, Apple-TV, Rokku and Playstation will become a Playstation. Netflix proved that this is the model, especially since Apple is headed towards the same direction.
Also, forget about counting Tflops and jiglyboops in the future, as every single Playstation-streaming server-rooms would be upgraded with the newest CPU's and GPU's yearly.
Tomorrow? No
In the future? Yes.
Sony didn't acquire Gaikai and Onlive for millions of dollars for nothing. The patents, tech, infrastructure and talent is being accumulated for a reason. The endgame forPlaystation is as a future Netflix-style subscription service. Basically PS Now is the future of Playstation as soo as evolved fiber and internet speeds enable stable and lossless streaming. Then, every Smart-TV, Tablet, Laptop, Mac, PC, Smartphone, Blu-ray player, Apple-TV, Rokku and Playstation will become a Playstation. Netflix proved that this is the model, especially since Apple is headed towards the same direction.
Also, forget about counting Tflops and jiglyboops in the future, as every single Playstation-streaming server-rooms would be upgraded with the newest CPU's and GPU's yearly.
DarkLordMalik
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Oh... you have no idea the reaction on GAF would be if that was the case. I have seen so many people a. sell their console b. drop their plans altogether after hearing that every Xbox exclusive is making its way to PC. I saw tons of similar reactions on Twitter/Facebook/NeoGAF. I have seen it first hand with a friend who completely sold his Xbox One now because he just lost all appeal for it after this announcement. He is planning to build his own PC now and will keep it along with his PS4. He is also planning for an NX because of the 'exclusive' Zelda.
One of the reason my friend lost interest was because he has no interest in playing these games on a weak hardware. He is willing to upgrade to Neo if there are benefits and he could have upgraded to Scorpio if there were actual Xbox exclusives left, but PC is the better option here since it offers the better value while offering the best experience for him.
My friend would drop PS4 in an instant if the exclusives were to be announced for PC. Wouldn't this hurt Sony? Going back and reading some of the replies, there are also plenty of other users here who think the same. So this move spells nothing but reduced attractiveness of their hardware.
Movalpolos
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PC gamers don't even want new W10 games on PC apparently judging by how lackluster sales have been.
That probably doesn't give Sony much confidence even if they are considering a similar strategy.
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AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Uh not even you believe this. Literally everything a console can do has been done before on PC, years ahead of time. Consoles have become more and more like PC's and copying the things they can do to the point that the "convenience" argument for them is losing more and more relevance.
ArkhamFantasy
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Bloodborne was 20 dollars 9 months after release, that was for a new copy.
dragonfart28
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No, exclusivity is the only way any console has value anymore.
And don't give me the xbox excuse.
The only reason they are doing it is because they probably won't have another console after Scorpio.
And don't give me the xbox excuse.
The only reason they are doing it is because they probably won't have another console after Scorpio.
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