"I Hate Donald Trump, but he might get my vote" Washington Post(Opinion)

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I agree with him on college "safe spaces," but nothing else. A European social democracy sounds lovely, thanks.

That said, I'm terrified how many progressives, liberals, etc. both on and off this forum are simply willing to brush off anyone who might vote for Trump as an immediate bigot or racist.

Even if you think those voters are, the political strategy of "let's call our opponents racists and dismiss any legitimate anxieties" worked out disastrously for the Brexit campaign. While Trump may have the electoral map against him, don't underestimate an election with two unlikable candidates. Turnout may be at unprecedented lows.

And that's the thing. Hillary is an exceptionally weak candidate. Don't let GAF fool you. She would be the only candidate in the history of polling where the majority of Americans actually disliked her... if it weren't for Trump himself giving her company as another majority-unfavorable candidate.
 

Quixzlizx

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Trading in one fraud laden handout program for another while likely reducing payments to those who might need it most and increasing to those who simply aren't trying or don't care seems like the worst idea of all time.

I'm sorry but I don't think that the money that goes to someone born developmentally disabled, the elderly, disabled in the line of duty should suffer because "robots took my jobs". I don't see how you continue to help with serious and expensive medical expenses as well as paying out everyone else too.

So you think our current welfare programs are fine, and you're just against a guaranteed income? Or you think that the welfare programs that you like are fine, and the ones you don't are fraudulent and/or wasteful? So you're basically like every person ever who's salty that your tax dollars aren't distributed exactly the way you want them to be? Or is "guaranteed income" just a dogwhistle for SOCIALISM? You don't have to worry about that, Bernie lost.
 

Spladam

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I read part of this article three days ago, and it made me shake my head. I read the comments on the article just now, and it made me feel sick.
 

Armaros

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I read part of this article three days ago, and it made me shake my head. I read the comments on the article just now, and it made me feel sick.

Reddit and social media have switched from evangelizing Bernie for Trump, expect more of it as it the election continues.
 

Cromwell

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back in my day we worked hard and didn't have safe places

but if the blacks tried to sit in our seats we would cry and call the cops

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I agree with him on college "safe spaces," but nothing else. A European social democracy sounds lovely, thanks.

That said, I'm terrified how many progressives, liberals, etc. both on and off this forum are simply willing to brush off anyone who might vote for Trump as an immediate bigot or racist.

Even if you think those voters are, the political strategy of "let's call our opponents racists and dismiss any legitimate anxieties" worked out disastrously for the Brexit campaign. While Trump may have the electoral map against him, don't underestimate an election with two unlikable candidates. Turnout may be at unprecedented lows.

And that's the thing. Hillary is an exceptionally weak candidate. Don't let GAF fool you. She would be the only candidate in the history of polling where the majority of Americans actually disliked her... if it weren't for Trump himself giving her company as another majority-unfavorable candidate.

Oh look, more "not everyone who supports Trump is a bigot/racist" without actually explaining why.

If you're voting for a bigot/racist to run the free world, you yourself are no better. End of story. I have no patience for anyone still trying to defend his supporters, they deserve to be called out for what they are.
 

Elandyll

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The guy is obviously a hardcore conservative who would never vote for a dem (or even a Libertarian, as he apparently prefers Trump to Johnson)... so what's the point of his piece in the Post, other than some kind of public mental "exercise" where he tries to assuage his own conscience (not that Trump is too racist or crazy for him, but just probably not Neo Con and Religious Right enough)?
 

Wilsongt

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Baby boomer was the key bit of information here. "The good old days" where you could call people whatever you wanted and no one cared
 
I agree with him on college "safe spaces," but nothing else. A European social democracy sounds lovely, thanks.

That said, I'm terrified how many progressives, liberals, etc. both on and off this forum are simply willing to brush off anyone who might vote for Trump as an immediate bigot or racist.

Yep. It's a great way to silence people you disagree with and not have to engage with them. Means you don't have to get involved in all that messy "educating" or "improving" people either. Just dump em in the racist bin and forget about them. They go away when you do that, right?
 
Truly, absolutely, and disgustingly terrifying.

My favorite thing about Baby Boomers bitching about participation trophies is that they and their Gen X children are the ones who handed them all out.

As if I ever wanted that piece of plastic crap. I hated Little League. YOU MADE ME DO IT.

But even if you didn't feel this way, you wouldn't want to teach children the terrible lesson of how its good to participate in things. Damn, now all children are ruined.

THESE PEOPLE MAKE ME SO MAD.


Nah but fuck participation trophies tho
 

Armaros

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Yep. It's a great way to silence people you disagree with and not have to engage with them. Means you don't have to get involved in all that messy "educating" or "improving" people either. Just dump em in the racist bin and forget about them. They go away when you do that, right?
Better to build a wall against and/or ban the 'undesirables' like Trump?

Yes we are suppose to educate them but not call them out on their horrible beliefs by supporting Trump.

I guess being called racist is worse than supporting racist policies?
 
I agree with him on college "safe spaces," but nothing else. A European social democracy sounds lovely, thanks.

That said, I'm terrified how many progressives, liberals, etc. both on and off this forum are simply willing to brush off anyone who might vote for Trump as an immediate bigot or racist.


Even if you think those voters are, the political strategy of "let's call our opponents racists and dismiss any legitimate anxieties" worked out disastrously for the Brexit campaign. While Trump may have the electoral map against him, don't underestimate an election with two unlikable candidates. Turnout may be at unprecedented lows.

And that's the thing. Hillary is an exceptionally weak candidate. Don't let GAF fool you. She would be the only candidate in the history of polling where the majority of Americans actually disliked her... if it weren't for Trump himself giving her company as another majority-unfavorable candidate.

What other take away would there be? Trumps entire platform is based on racism. If you support him, that's what you are supporting.
 

Cromwell

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Yep. It's a great way to silence people you disagree with and not have to engage with them. Means you don't have to get involved in all that messy "educating" or "improving" people either. Just dump em in the racist bin and forget about them. They go away when you do that, right?

Show me even a single example online or story anywhere where someone has successful convinced a Trump supporter to switch to Hillary or not vote.
 
Yep. It's a great way to silence people you disagree with and not have to engage with them. Means you don't have to get involved in all that messy "educating" or "improving" people either. Just dump em in the racist bin and forget about them. They go away when you do that, right?
This is so egocentric. No one gives a fuck about other people anyway, so no one's hoping certain people "go away" or that they don't have to be educated. No one has to hang out with or listen to the opinions of people who support unredeeming, hateful people and have unredeeming, hateful opinions. They'd be called stupid for falling for doing that after a certain amount of life experience.
 

User1608

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Yep. It's a great way to silence people you disagree with and not have to engage with them. Means you don't have to get involved in all that messy "educating" or "improving" people either. Just dump em in the racist bin and forget about them. They go away when you do that, right?
As someone impacted by his rhetoric, why should I give a damn about their feelings, (supporters) unwillingness to listen and not be racist assholes? I have to call it like it is, cold apathy for their fellow human beings or racism.
 

Platy

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One of the biggest that directly affects me is the hardcore push the trans community has been trying to make. The "proper" terms and language have been changing so often that I don't even know what to call myself and be guaranteed not to offend someone. There's become too much of a sense of "you MUST know everything already, you can't ask question, you can't make mistakes," and I fear that the stronger that gets, the more people will decide it's just easier to not even try to understand us.

You know that EVERYTHING you consider the opposite of political correctness in your post is STILL politically correct as fuck for the people like the ones in the article, right ?
 

DirtyLarry

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I try to avoid politics online. It is a losing battle. Goes nowhere.
Against my better judgement I was somehow a part of a Bernie group on Facebook (it's the same better judgement that tells me I should not even be posting this).
I finally left the other day.
I could not believe the amount of Bernie supporters pledging their votes to Trump because as they claimed it was all about making sure Hillary did not get elected.
If supposed Bernie Sanders supporters can turn around and say they will vote for Trump, a man who is the personification of so many of the thing Bernie was fighting against, well simply put people are way more fucked and stuoid than I ever thought.
This election cycle has revealed how many Americans are so fed up with the system and blah blah blah blah blah.
While that may be true for some voters out there, what I believe it actually has proved is Americans are willing to treat the fate of their country like they do everything else they touch and consume. As fleeting entertainment. A clever meme.
This country of mine is fucked in a very real way.
While I myself am not a huge fan of Hillary she is the only clear candidate. Like it literally is not even a choice if it is her or Trump.
Yet somehow it absolutely is.
An egomaniac charlatan narcissistic mad man has someone convinced people to even consider him to be presidential material. The fact he did so is not the messed up part. Why wouldn't he try to make people believe he should be nominated? The sad part is people have and are still taking it seriously.
 
What other take away would there be? Trumps entire platform is based on racism. If you support him, that's what you are supporting.

What about Trump's other positions.

"Vaccines cause autism."

"I will end the first amendment so I can sue journalists more easily."

"Disabled reporters are bad people."

"Maybe I'll nuke Europe, Europe's a big place."

"Climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese."

"Saudi Arabia should have nuclear weapons."

"The Tiananmen Square massacre was a demonstration of great strength."

"I have a big dick."

"I want to fuck my daughter."

"Drunk club goers should have more guns."

"I will default on the U.S. national debt."
 

rjinaz

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Yep. It's a great way to silence people you disagree with and not have to engage with them. Means you don't have to get involved in all that messy "educating" or "improving" people either. Just dump em in the racist bin and forget about them. They go away when you do that, right?

Education and improvement is something people can do on their own in the year 2016. The information is out there. No we should not have to coddle or try and understand racists. Nor is it anybody's responsibility to try and teach them especially when I have never met a racist willing to listen because racism at it's heart is hate. Hopefully they can learn on their own, but I'm not going to feel bad for calling them what they are.
 
Show me even a single example online or story anywhere where someone has successful convinced a Trump supporter to switch to Hillary or not vote.

Probably doesn't count since she always hated trump, but my conservative mother had a very brief period where she said she would hold her nose and vote Trump and I was quickly able to convince her to at least vote for Johnson instead (she would never vote Hillary).
 
Yep. It's a great way to silence people you disagree with and not have to engage with them. Means you don't have to get involved in all that messy "educating" or "improving" people either. Just dump em in the racist bin and forget about them. They go away when you do that, right?

Or we could stop telling marginalized groups that they need to try harder to improve the majority group

I mean, how much work do you do to educate racists? To try to change them? If your answer is "not at all", are you saying that you are okay with forgetting about them?
 

Who

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I can understand people voting for Trump.

You have no idea what Clinton stands for and only serves special interests. She's completely un-human.

Atleast Trump comes across as a genuine human being, flawed and bigoted as he is.

I'm not voting for either as I find them both appalling but I will guarantee the things Hilary says behind closed doors is just as vile, if not more, than what Trump atleast has the decency to say publicly.
 

PKrockin

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He doesn’t want to turn the United States into a politically correct,

And please don’t try to stereotype us.

So which is it? Should I stereotype you or not? Is it only OK when Donald "Laziness is a trait in blacks" Trump does it? Is it fair to stereotype people based on what skin color they were born with, but unfair when based on what politician you support?
 
This is a simplification of what happened. I'll counter it with another simplification: Japanese students at the school weren't pleased with the fact that what was being presented as sushi basically...wasn't, and said "hey if you're going to do it, could you do it right?" And then the whole thing actually wasn't that big of a deal, until like a month later all the sudden some outlet ran a piece about "PC culture run amok"

Wait, wasn't that the article where students were complaining that General Tsao's chicken wasn't the same and that the sushi in a school cafeteria in fucking Ohio wasn't fresh enough?

I seem to remember some direct quotes from the students complaining that basically made it sound like no one had any right to ever modify foreign cuisine, otherwise it's appropriation.

It's totally possible that their opinions were misrepresented just to ridicule PC culture, but I remember facepalming pretty hard at that article myself...
 

Armaros

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I can understand people voting for Trump.

You have no idea what Clinton stands for and only serves special interests. She's completely un-human.

Atleast Trump comes across as a genuine human being, flawed and bigoted as he is.

I'm not voting for either as I find them both appalling but I will guarantee the things Hilary says behind closed doors is just as vile, if not more, than what Trump atleast has the decency to say publicly.

Zero evidence to prove it but 'both are just as bad'
And never leaked out for 30 years of public spotlight
Sure
 

RDreamer

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If silly college safe spaces and kids getting trophies make you so angry you'd vote for Trump you're a terrible human being and an asshole.

And who can forget the way Republicans were bullied over health care? They were left with no choice but to use every procedural maneuver in their arsenal to block, delay or postpone the liberal legislative agenda.

What? This dude can fuck off.
 

Who

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Zero evidence to prove it but 'both are just as bad'
And never leaked out for 30 years of public spotlight
Sure

You're saying there's 0 evidence to prove Hilary Clinton is a complete liar and bought out by special interests?

Oh boy..
 

rjinaz

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I can understand people voting for Trump.

You have no idea what Clinton stands for and only serves special interests. She's completely un-human.

Atleast Trump comes across as a genuine human being, flawed and bigoted as he is.

I'm not voting for either as I find them both appalling but I will guarantee the things Hilary says behind closed doors is just as vile, if not more, than what Trump atleast has the decency to say publicly.

Are we supposed to take you seriously after that?

Never mind the tiring "he tells it like it is, even if it's racist shit".
 

Armaros

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You're saying there's 0 evidence to prove Hilary Clinton is a complete liar and bought out by special interests?

Oh boy..


You accused her of being as vile and disgusting as Trump behind closed doors?

And has there been any proof of wrong doing in her entire political career? She has been at this for a long time, you must have some proof now?

Or is that just what your butt and Reddit is telling you?
 

danm999

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I'm not voting for either as I find them both appalling but I will guarantee the things Hilary says behind closed doors is just as vile, if not more, than what Trump atleast has the decency to say publicly.

Hmm we'll be at quite an impasse if someone else guarantees she doesn't.
 
No Trump campaign buttons or bumper stickers for me. I’m part of the new silent majority: those who don’t like Donald Trump but might vote for him anyway. For many of us, Trump has only one redeeming quality: He isn’t Hillary Clinton. He doesn’t want to turn the United States into a politically correct, free-milk-and-cookies, European-style social democracy where every kid (and adult, too) gets a trophy just for showing up.

Members of this new silent majority, many of us front-wave baby boomers, value hard work and love the United States the way it was. We long for a bygone era when you didn’t need “safe spaces” on college campuses to shelter students from the atrocity of disse

What the fucking hell does anything in this quote mean? There literally is not an iota or truth or a single word of fact based honesty besides some tired, shitty memes that are utterly meaningless. Who the fuck are all these people who are "getting a trophy" for "showing up"? As far as I see, it's harder to get a trophy than ever, degrees are more useless than ever, cost of living is through the roof, etc etc. Selfish pricks like this piece of shit got their cake, so they want to make sure the future generation is fucked. Just like many Brexit voters.

I wonder if this guy also pines for the "good old days" where you can drag black people behind you on a leash. You know, now you gotta be all "politically correct" and all and can't do shit like that.
 

rjinaz

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Hmm we'll be at quite an impasse if someone else guarantees she doesn't.

It's amusing that the things people imagine about Hillary saying or doing is more appalling than the actual racist things Trump actually says and does. Like how do you even reason with these people?

Well Trump said this...

WELL HILLARY OBVIOUSLY SAID THIS IN SECRET TO SOMEBODY SO THERE!
 
I can understand people voting for Trump.

You have no idea what Clinton stands for and only serves special interests. She's completely un-human.

Atleast Trump comes across as a genuine human being, flawed and bigoted as he is.

I'm not voting for either as I find them both appalling but I will guarantee the things Hilary says behind closed doors is just as vile, if not more, than what Trump atleast has the decency to say publicly.

Bullshit. Name me these "secret reprehensible opinions" that one could reasonably think Hillary says behind closed doors that are worse than:

- calling illegal immigrants mostly rapists and murderers
- suggesting we ban immigration of an entire religion
- MAKING FUN OF A DISABLED PERSON
- saying someone isn't a war hero because they got captured
- saying that a judge isn't fit to overlook your case because they are Hispanic
- saying we should give nukes to countries like Saudi Arabia

The stuff that Trump has openly said is much worse than any back room deals with business types that Hillary might have made.
 

Who

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Eh I said my piece. If you look at her actions and listen to her words and don't see a disgusting and vile human, we just have 2 vastly different perspectives and/or standards.
 

rjinaz

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Eh I said my piece. If you look at her actions and listen to her words and don't see a disgusting and vile human, we just have 2 vastly different perspectives and/or standards.

Can we at least agree the exact same can be said of Trump? Common ground to stand on.
 

danm999

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Eh I said my piece. If you look at her actions and listen to her words and don't see a disgusting and vile human, we just have 2 vastly different perspectives and/or standards.

Where's that little girl eating crackers picture?
 
Eh I said my piece. If you look at her actions and listen to her words and don't see a disgusting and vile human, we just have 2 vastly different perspectives and/or standards.

Translated: I'm done arguing when I'm presented with hard questions to answer.
 
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