Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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Grizzlyjin

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I can't believe this situation is still so active. There's no guaranteeing everyone is captured. Who's to say there aren't other accomplices who were involved in the planning who weren't part of the operation?

That's certainly a possibility, but it sounds like they've taken a few people alive. Any other involvement will come to light. Someone will confess, they'll look at computers and phone records, known associates, talk to family members, etc.
 

Zoe

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Christ alive, it's legal to walk around with a loaded assault rifle hanging from your shoulder? What fucking dimension do we live in?

'Mericuh

Did you miss all the Starbucks/Chipotle/Target demonstrations threads?
 

BokehKing

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No BS, Fox has some of the best breaking news coverage. It is the opinion shit that is wretched.
Even that is tempered down when it's live, Megan Kelly was acting ...or dialing back her usual "role" she plays in the network earlier tonight when the shooting started. All those people deep down have hearts, people forget that.
Tragedy always drops the charade and let's raw emotions out. This is horrible for everyone.
 
It's hilarious, really. Because any reasonable cop will be the first to admit there are significant structural problems with law enforcement, and yet they still have a job to do. I'm sure we could go on and on about the toll the job can take on an individual...PTSD, substance abuse, depression, divorce...but why bother? The twenty-something smarties on GAF know it all!

Yep what the fuck should they know right? those twenty year old smarties....or maybe they need to get another job or get themselves some help if they are in that deep. An have that many issues.'


No one should be on the force with that much weight.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I can see some political agendas that fit this attack. Maybe some people want to go to war against the government. Maybe some are hoping to pin it on BLM to get more retaliation against them. Speculating is pointless, but this could easily be terrorism.

Of course it could, but he said it was clearly terrorism.
 

Syriel

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Same.

This is what I'm assuming until all the facts are out.

Really? You're going with "False Flag?" Why would police shoot their own? Hell, why would BLM members shoot allies?

This is clearly a group that cares for no one and just wants chaos.

US Marshals have arrived on scene now. Man look at all the cop cars. That's just nuts.

Have the Feds made any statements at all? So far just seen news from Dallas PD.

I'm so freaking angry that these fucks decided to pick a protest as cover to kill police officers so now they are gonna feel scared and be even more brazen with heir interactions with civilians, especially minorities. GODAMNIT. :(

It had to have been chosen in the hope for chaos and a desire to spark more fighting.

Attacking a peaceful protest is the lowest of the low.

The protest location is planned in advance. I'm sure the route would have been known far before the time of the event.

I believe that protests have to file public plans with local authorities -- the chief himself said he was part of planning meetings, so there was ample opportunity to find out the route.

Still, it had to be at least partially pre-planned ...

Not that far in advance. Today's protests were mostly kicked off by last night's killing.

Dallas PD doesn't really have a choice, there has to be a police presence at organized rallies. What they could do is put a moratorium on rallies, but that would just mean the police would mobilize to prevent gatherings. Then if people rally in spite of a moratorium, the police will have to show up.

The police have to show up for security. But they don't have to support the protestors. The Dallas PD was supporting the protestors. They weren't just "doing the job." They were there as allies.

Do you guys think the two police killings of the two men over the last two days is a cause behind this?

If they're as set up for this assassination attempt as they claim they are, I doubt they scrambled this together in 2 days

The police killings are the reason for the protests. The protests were likely just an opportunity for the Dallas snipers. They very likely have absolutely nothing to do with the protestors or the police.

Are the suspects POC?

No idea.

Police unions vs. NRA would be a sight to behold.

Unstoppable force vs immovable rock.

What's the best tl;dr at the moment?

Protest against police killings in Dallas.
Dallas PD was out in support of protest.
Protest was 100% peaceful.
At end of protest snipers start killing police.
11 injured, 4 dead.
Four suspects, three in custody.
One additional man incorrectly identified as suspect. Proven innocent by video.
US Marshals on scene.
One suspect in shootout/standoff with police claimed that bombs were planted in the city.

Skimmed the last 2 pages, didn't quite see an answer, that guy wearing the camo shirt turned himself in, so does that mean he wasn't one of the shooters afterall?

Not a shooter. Just part of the protest. He is the incorrectly identified man I refer to above.
 
Tami Carr ‏@CarrTamicbs11 5m5 minutes ago
This man, once named a person of interest, was just released from police custody.

They finally released him
 
Yeah, these guys are obviously well trained and well equipped. This feels orchestrated and calculated. Wonder what the motive is. On a political level what do you gain by shooting a bunch of cops? Surely they know that this will only make things worse, so I wonder what they're trying to do here. Anybody have any educated guesses?
 

NateDrake

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Of course it could, but he said it was clearly terrorism.

It's urban terrorism. Or should damn well be considered urban terrorism.

Fox News is the best of all the networks during events like this.

Especially with Shepard Smith.
Shepard Smith live is the best thing on Fox News. Guy is pretty damn great as delivering news and always waits for facts before sharing information.
 
I'm not sure what I'm going to feel tomorrow when I put on my badge and go to work. So many emotions going through my mind. I can't shake this feeling. Yes I'm a cop and yes I'm from Texas.

alot of us are just in disbelief and speechless. we're probably going to be mandatory 2 man units for a while.

Good luck and stay safe man.
 

commedieu

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It's hilarious, really. Because any reasonable cop will be the first to admit there are significant structural problems with law enforcement, and yet they still have a job to do. I'm sure we could go on and on about the toll the job can take on an individual...PTSD, substance abuse, depression, divorce...but why bother? The twenty-something smarties on GAF know it all!

Oh I get why its funny. Because reasonable cops that whistleblow are retaliated against.
 

User1608

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No BS, Fox has some of the best breaking news coverage. It is the opinion shit that is wretched.

That's because they couldn't get their agenda cue cards in place yet. Check back tomorrow.
I've heard and know this well, just barely watch live stuff so I'm surprised.
Fox News is the best of all the networks during events like this.

Especially with Shepard Smith.
I like Shep, he's good people.
 
Yeah, these guys are obviously well trained and well equipped. This feels orchestrated and calculated. Wonder what the motive is. On a political level what do you gain by shooting a bunch of cops? Surely they know that this will only make things worse, so I wonder what they're trying to do here. Anybody have any educated guesses?

Not educated, but I would guess this is going to end up being some kind of anti-government motive.
 

SaviourMK2

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Dr.Acula

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That's certainly a possibility, but it sounds like they've taken a few people alive. Any other involvement will come to light. Someone will confess, they'll look at computers and phone records, known associates, talk to family members, etc.

Yeah, but until then, we've got other potential terrorists, unidentified, running around doing who knows what. Until everyone is interviewed and records are looked at, this situation has to be considered "active."

A lone wolf kinda situation, once the threat is contained, it's pretty much over. Here, the police will have to operate as if there is still a possible threat given the number of people who have co-coordinated, the level of planning, the tactical execution, etc. That means Dallas is going to be effectively on lockdown for protracted period of time.
 

royalan

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Yeah, these guys are obviously well trained and well equipped. This feels orchestrated and calculated. Wonder what the motive is. On a political level what do you gain by shooting a bunch of cops? Surely they know that this will only make things worse, so I wonder what they're trying to do here. Anybody have any educated guesses?

Two thoughts in my had that don't mesh well together, but seem equally likely:

1) This was an attack planned well in advance and just waiting for an event that would draw out lots of cops.

2) The attackers wanted this to be pinned on BLM.

If 2 is true, then 1 can't be.
 

sphagnum

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Yeah, these guys are obviously well trained and well equipped. This feels orchestrated and calculated. Wonder what the motive is. On a political level what do you gain by shooting a bunch of cops? Surely they know that this will only make things worse, so I wonder what they're trying to do here. Anybody have any educated guesses?

There's all sorts of possibilities. Could be white nationalist types hoping to start a race war by blaming it on BLM activists (had they managed to escape and not get caught), could be militia movement types who saw a moment to strike due to the recent uptick in anti-police sentiment, could be black nationalists who finally snapped, etc.

None of it's really rational but there are plenty of possible motivations, and whoever did it obviously had some sort of training.
 

Merc_

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It's hilarious, really. Because any reasonable cop will be the first to admit there are significant structural problems with law enforcement, and yet they still have a job to do. I'm sure we could go on and on about the toll the job can take on an individual...PTSD, substance abuse, depression, divorce...but why bother? The twenty-something smarties on GAF know it all!

I knew it was a matter of time before folks like yourself came out. Come bro, stoke those flames of hatred with your obvious agenda. It's certainly getting us all to some good places!
 

JP_

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I know it will fall on deaf ears but I'm glad about how most news sources are stressing how peaceful the protest was.
I've been releaved to see this too. I was a little apprehensive about the police presence at first but it quickly became obvious they were here to help us. Was very respectful on both sides.
 

Jeels

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I'm not sure what I'm going to feel tomorrow when I put on my badge and go to work. So many emotions going through my mind. I can't shake this feeling. Yes I'm a cop and yes I'm from Texas.

alot of us are just in disbelief and speechless. we're probably going to be mandatory 2 man units for a while.

Hey broski, just want to say thanks for your service. :)
 
I've been releaved to see this too. I was a little apprehensive about the police presence at first but it quickly became obvious they were here to help us.

The Dallas PD has made huge strides to improve their relations with the community. Here's an article i saw posted on twitter describing their shift to deescalation training and how it severely cut down on excessive force complaints:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...essive-force-complaints-drop-dramatically.ece
 

Chiggs

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I sincerely hope there were only 4 shooters. CNN is reporting that it's still unclear how many there were.
 

Mariolee

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As I stated earlier in the thread, Shep as well as his whole team behind him are doing an incredible job covering this. Fox News doesn't deserve him.
 

Merc_

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I know it will fall on deaf ears but I'm glad about how most news sources are stressing how peaceful the protest was.

I think on some level they might finally be getting that playing into marginalizing a group is only going to make this shit worsahahahahahaha

Wait until tomorrow bud.
 
Not educated, but I would guess this is going to end up being some kind of anti-government motive.
If that's the case it strikes me as obvious that a high profile stunt like this will only give the gvt. excuse to further militarize the police. On top of that, I feel like this is detrimental to an anti government cause anyways. Attacks like this draw sympathy for the police, not the other way around.
 
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