So I just went on my girlfriends ipad....

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Women can figure shit out way faster than us OP. If you're gonna wait until you bring it out I understand that but just know that the longer you wait the more time she has to come up with a fantastic excuse as to why she did it (assuming she doesn't have one already).

Just remember to not fall for anything she says. My advice would be to bring it up as soon as possible but if you want more time to prepare for the outcome that's fine too.
Yeah I don't understand the point of keeping quiet. Stop playing around and be upfront.
 
It's clear that OP will be talking to her, as he should. Still, she cheated on him, and OP has decided to call it quits. I think that deserves to be respected. Out is out.

Now, there's a myriad of problems that most likely will arise if he decides to forgive her. For one, now that the geenie is out of the bottle, there's no guarantee that his gf won't do it again. There's clearly a reason why she cheated on him. This was no drunken fuck up. This was premeditated, and she knew exactly what she was doing, and yet she chose to fuck over OP anyway. Secondly, how will OP cope emotionally if he were to stay. Will he be able to trust her 100% again like he did prior to her cheating on him, or will he become paranoid which in turn will make him feel even worse. How will his GF respond to that, not to mention the fact now that she's officially off the hook for cheating on him?

The odds that everything will be shiny and dandy after such a betrayal are bad.

Have the talk eventually, but cheating is cheating. Do not ever do it let alone accept it if you don't want to gamble with emotions. People are worth more than that.
 
At this stage I don't want to bring it up. I'd rather wait a bit and think about what I want to say. If I talk now my emotions will take over, we'll argue and I won't feel any better.

I also want to know exactly where I stand with the rent etc here. Once I find out tomorrow I'll know where I am, I'd have slept on it, and then be in a better position with a fresh mind to say what i need to say, and ask any questions that I might want the answers to. Although I'm not expecting to get them.


If you are sure it's over then here's my advice. Dont ask or even think or care about why. Don't entertain the thought that there may have been something you did to lead the relationship here. She ended the relationship when she betrayed you, now you're just reacting. Don't even give her the satisfaction of getting angry or sad in front of her.

Walk away as strongly as you can.
 
Figure out what you want to say or ask her, talk to her and try to find out the reasons behind it. After you get the answers (assuming you do), make your decision about where to go from there.

I understand the reaction you've had, it's the exact same one I would have. As an outside observer, though, I would encourage you to find out what's going on behind the scenes before you take any final action.
 
You don't understand... OP has been very vague about well, everything.

If anyone wants me to be specific I'll try.

I haven't gone indepth with regards to the conversation as I don't feel it will help anything. I'm sure many of you can use your imagination. It was a sexual conversation about what they wanted to do to eachother.

Obviously as of now you're only hearing my side of the story, and there are generally 3 sides to a story, mine, hers and the truth.

But I've not once tried to paint the picture that I'm Mr Perfect and what have I done to deserve this. My only observation has been that as far as I know everything was fine, we hadn't been arguing, nothing has changed, so looking at that conversation earlier was completely out of the blue.
 
If you are sure it's over then here's my advice. Dont ask or even think or care about why. Don't entertain the thought that there may have been something you did to lead the relationship here. She ended the relationship when she betrayed you, now you're just reacting. Don't even give her the satisfaction of getting angry or sad in front of her.

Walk away as strongly as you can.

Exactly. Don't get emotional, you can grieve on your own time. Manipulative people will feed on your anger and make you think their betrayal is your fault.

It isn't.
 
Seriously OCD, it just doesn't makes sense for you to linger that situation until tomorrow. Seeing her acting like everything is normal the whole afternoon will make it worse by the time you'll bring up the issue.
 
At this stage I don't want to bring it up. I'd rather wait a bit and think about what I want to say. If I talk now my emotions will take over, we'll argue and I won't feel any better.

I also want to know exactly where I stand with the rent etc here. Once I find out tomorrow I'll know where I am, I'd have slept on it, and then be in a better position with a fresh mind to say what i need to say, and ask any questions that I might want the answers to. Although I'm not expecting to get them.


I'm surprised you are able to keep quiet. If I were you the first thing I would do is bring it up and see what she has to say. At this point nothing is going to matter except to know the truth or if she intends to tell the truth. Anyway, good luck OP.
 
Goddammit OP, I wanted to see some good old drama but you're going at it through the mature and reasonable way, huh.

smh

Right? I went from looking for drama to feeling shit that a really decent guy
from our incredibly limited, one sided view of a very shitty situation
is getting done dirty.
 
Don't do any passive agressive shit.

Talk to her, make a decision. Or just leave.

4 years together. I would definitely want to know what's going on.

Edit - I also think avoiding the situation isn't smart. Get it over with. Your gona keep stewing over it and explode right before bed or some crazy shit.
 
Do we really need to see the comment, "Anyone who breaks up with a cheater no questions asked hasn't been in a real relationship before!" in every relationship thread ever? It's condescending and it makes you look like a chump when you beat your chest over it.

Gotta reconcile it to themselves somehow.
 
Goddammit OP, I wanted to see some good old drama but you're going at it through the mature and reasonable way, huh.

smh

I'm not sure bottling it in and saying nothing is the mature or reasonable way to go tbh
 
If anyone wants me to be specific I'll try.

I haven't gone indepth with regards to the conversation as I don't feel it will help anything. I'm sure many of you can use your imagination. It was a sexual conversation about what they wanted to do to eachother.

Obviously as of now you're only hearing my side of the story, and there are generally 3 sides to a story, mine, hers and the truth.

But I've not once tried to paint the picture that I'm Mr Perfect and what have I done to deserve this. My only observation has been that as far as I know everything was fine, we hadn't been arguing, nothing has changed, so looking at that conversation earlier was completely out of the blue.

When does she get out if work?
At least the iPad the way it was and check her reaction to how she left it open to that?
 
Exactly. Don't get emotional, you can grieve on your own time. Manipulative people will feed on your anger and make you think their betrayal is your fault.

It isn't.


Very good point. I was just thinking about his dignity but avoiding giving her fuel for manipulation is a very good idea.
 
If she loves you and the relationship's good otherwise, let it go. Maybe have a really clear conversation about how polyamory/polysexuality makes her feel. Humans are not meant for strict monogamy, it's a remnant of Christian repression. It's time for people to be more honest with themselves about their sexuality.

You should think to yourself how annoyed you probably get over "mansplaining" before you start polysplaining.

"You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5
 
He apologized and conceded. Leave him alone.

I don't see him retracting anywhere.

The problem is it's another unhelpful addition to the thread - like all the poly-amorous discussion. I really don't see why people in open relationships think sharing their opinion that open relationships are better will in any way be helpful to the OP who made it very clear from the start that he's not in an open relationship. Clearly I'm not saying they can;t do so, but why bring it up if it's not helpful to the OP - he didn't start this thread as a discussion of open vs. monogamous relationships.
 
I've never been in this situation, so take this with a grain of salt, but i would just ask her straight up if she's cheating and if she denies it I'd bring up what you found on the ipad. Then whatever she said to that, I'd be stone cold about it and tell her that I was leaving.
 
OP. Please listen to me.

This exact same thing happened to me. Confronted my girlfriend about it. She broke down in tears telling me how she seeks attention and there was nothing going on, she just enjoyed the "flirting." I told her this was cheating. She agreed and promised nothing would happen again. Said I could see her phone whenever I wanted.

3 months I continue this damn relationship. Jealousy consumes me and I don't trust the girl I'm with. She ends up not being so open with her phone. Long story short, I find out that after all that she ends up cheating on me. Has sex with another guy. She tries the same shit and I almost fell for it again. I hate myself for continuing that relationship.

It was such a huge mistake. It fucked me up.

Please don't make the same mistake I did.

Listen to him OP, don't let her rope you back in with any kind of excuse.
 
The thing is I don't want to draw any attention, if I go somewhere for the night randomly it will look odd, as I don't tend to do that.

I'm also offish obviously and don't want her near me so I've said I'm ill so if I'm snappy she'll just think it's that.

Do what you need to do. If you think it's best to shut off for the night, then do it. There is no right or wrong in your response. Having said that, I've found that feeding anger can make it more difficult in the long run. Taking care of yourself is what is important at this moment. Don't let anyone tell you how you should or shouldn't feel. Bottom line: this is a lot to deal with. What I would stress is to be kind to yourself and allow yourself the space to find perspective. What do you want? What do you need?
 
If anyone wants me to be specific I'll try.

I haven't gone indepth with regards to the conversation as I don't feel it will help anything. I'm sure many of you can use your imagination. It was a sexual conversation about what they wanted to do to eachother.

Obviously as of now you're only hearing my side of the story, and there are generally 3 sides to a story, mine, hers and the truth.

But I've not once tried to paint the picture that I'm Mr Perfect and what have I done to deserve this. My only observation has been that as far as I know everything was fine, we hadn't been arguing, nothing has changed, so looking at that conversation earlier was completely out of the blue.
Wow that sounds like a nightmare, reading that stuf.
Best of luck.
And good that you had some time to think and calm down.


But you should talk to her.
 
If anyone wants me to be specific I'll try.

I haven't gone indepth with regards to the conversation as I don't feel it will help anything. I'm sure many of you can use your imagination. It was a sexual conversation about what they wanted to do to eachother.

Obviously as of now you're only hearing my side of the story, and there are generally 3 sides to a story, mine, hers and the truth.

But I've not once tried to paint the picture that I'm Mr Perfect and what have I done to deserve this. My only observation has been that as far as I know everything was fine, we hadn't been arguing, nothing has changed, so looking at that conversation earlier was completely out of the blue.

0 arguing?
 
Has she picked up her iPad? You can gauge her reaction, if no alarm on her face cause she she kept it up by mistake , then she maybe colder than I thought.

4 years is tough bro, but get your head right and then deal with it, but sometimes being brave means walking away and being upset on the inside. We got your moral support.
 
Op your literally putting things in her favor by waiting. Where's the iPad does she have it? Stuff could be gone now. Story? Lies? She probably has some idea of what to say now. The longer you wait to handle the situation the worst it'll be for you. She'll spin it right back around to you
 
Something I don't really think have been addressed from this angle yet (and apologies if someone has said so already)--

Yes, 4 years is a long time. Yes, no matter what happens, it's going to hurt. That said, I'd be thankful it was only 4 years, as you still have the rest of your life to find that happiness. Mind you, I would say the same if it were 4 months, 4 years, 14 years, you get it. You can't do a thing about the time you've spent. What you can do is celebrate that you have more time ahead.

I've mentioned it elsewhere but I was with my ex-wife for 8 years and dated a girl before her for another 6 1/2 before that. In both cases, yeah, it was a long time. Yeah, it hurt like a bitch. But I'd rather end it at 6 1/2 years or 8 years respectively than never have ended it and lived my life in misery.
 
You don't want her to think something is wrong? Um, something is wrong. Don't know why you're trying to avoid this.
 
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