So I just went on my girlfriends ipad....

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OP I commend you for trying to wait it out before trying to talk to her, but this is going to eat at you all night man.

I hope you have another day off tomorrow.

Why prolong the talk when you are going to call the people about the lease anyway?
 
So much simpin advice in this thread . OP should've just packed his shit and left lol. Y'all really talking about "discuss it" "she needs closure" lmao smh
Pack shit and left? lol seriously
Why are people so afraid to speak to their partner. He should pack up and leave regardless BUT he should speak to her (not to dicuss) but to get shit off his chest for HIM to close the chapter.
 
Only reason people are telling him to jump in is because they know how much it burns to sit on things instead of getting it out there. OP needs to find that for sure, but it will save some hurt to get it done sooner.

People just want to see how things will turn out. If OP doesn't want to rush, then let him do it.
 
But if you feel like talking to her about it tonight may cause you to do some stuff (especially physically)
He's afraid, not piss-angry. He needs some sort of support to guide him through this paralyzed stasis into this scary world of change and destruction. At least that's what I make of the pieces here. I've been there.
 
Only reason people are telling him to jump in is because they know how much it burns to sit on things instead of getting it out there. OP needs to find that for sure, but it will save some hurt to get it done sooner.

Yep. I've been through shit like this and sitting on it is agonizing to me. Get that shit out in the open.
 
you can not just let her wonder what is up and why you are being distant, that's just passive aggressiveness..

calmly confront her with it unless you are concerned she is going to go ballistic on you for "snooping"

which is possible regardless of what agreement you have about passwords..

but yea, just drop the bomb dude... rip off the band aid
 
Why do you feel the need to sort out the lease before leaving OP? Do you think your landlord goes a shit if you spend the night at your parent's or a hotel? Grab some important belongings and bounce.
 
OP wants to surprise her with "I'm leaving.".

That's why he will keep it silent, he wants to just point that out to her after the lease thing is figured out and he can move on with no strings attached.

That's more the approach I'm thinking.

Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

I'm not a forgiving person, a lot of that has to do with my past, bad experiences tend to shape you (even though you shouldn't let them).

I'm also not an agressive type, I don't tend to argue with people. But I'm the type that when I do lose it, I go overboard and most people are shocked due to my generally laid back passive behaviour.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to grab the ipad and throw it at her head and then get into an argument and confront her but I know my end goal here.

I'm done, and me just leaving without even trying to work things out will hurt her much more than me getting into an argument showing how bothered I am.
 
The thing is I don't want any answers.

There was a guy posting earlier today that I should hear her out and an explanation could change my mind.

There's nothing she could say that would make think ok, let's work it out.

I know I'm burying my head in the sand, but spending the rest of the night arguing isn't going to make me feel better.

Oh, well as long as you're feeling good.

Come on dude. You have an issue in front of you that's just going to fester in your mind until you talk to her. Waiting isn't going to make you feel any better either. Resolve your shit and move forward.

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Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

That works. Just do it soon.
 
Rip the bandaid off quick and move on. Enjoy the new opportunities that will be coming your way. When you've got enough emotional distance to do a postmortem on the relationship, maybe figure out if there were any other signs you missed so you don't trust the wrong person in the future...but keep the belief that there are still a lot of women out there who can earn your trust.

It's tough but that's life.
 
Be an adult and talk to her. As calmly as you can. A relationship requires effort and I'm not sure if you just want to abandon 4 years. If it's just random online talk, I wouldn't worry too much personally. Sex gets boring. Your partner's attraction gets boring. It's normal, but that doesn't mean you should split at that point. A relationship just based on sex doesn't work. Ever. At least not for longer than a few months.
If she isn't cheating there is no point to freak out, unless you can't handle that alone at all, which means to me that your bond isn't all that strong to begin with. Women, more than men, like to fantasize, but act much less upon it. So find out if it's just a random internet guy or if she actually knows him and sees him. If it's the former, just tell her you feel uncomfortable with it and feel cheated and work something out, if it's the latter then you have reason to worry.

Most people don't talk about their fetishes and sexual desires and keep them to themselves - even with partners in very long relationship. Try both to open up and explore them.
 
I have to agree with the people saying you shouldn't put off talking this out with her. The talk isn't to convince you that you need to stay with her or anything, but she's still human and deserves at least a chance to explain herself - and how forthcoming she is will be a good measure of her character. You might never date again, but maybe you can come out of this as friends; you wouldn't have been with her for four years if you were outright incompatible, and maybe you can have some sort of relationship after this, if not necessarily a romantic one.

This is a good post.

I have an ex girlfriend with whom our relationship ended badly (not quite OP badly...). It's been years and I am still gutted about it - not the 'ex' part, but the fact that we separated so decisively that she was basically completely out of my life forever. I will always miss her friendship.
 
I just don't want the argument yet. It's not going to achieve anything. I don't want to be with her. Looking at her walking about here is making me feel sick.

While she feels fine, better to air this shit out, how you want to do it is up to you dude. Best of luck.
 
Pack shit and left? lol seriously
Why are people so afraid to speak to their partner. He should pack up and leave regardless BUT he should speak to her (not to dicuss) but to get shit off his chest for him to close the chapter.

It's not being afraid of her , it's treating her like the cheating piece of shit she is and not giving her the curtesy of even discussing why . Who fucking cares why she's getting dick pics and hitting up another guy on the low . She give a million excuses but the only real answer is she wants some new dick and to hit up other guys . Actions speak louder than words , her actions are clear . If OP wants to call her to get stuff off his chest that's him , I'm saying it's not even worth giving her that much of response . OP can do better .
 
OP, I respect your decision, but the moment she starts asking "whats wrong?" you will get really pissed off.
This, she thinks everything is cool and you're the one acting strange, might not feel that way but she can definitely feel the heat from that side of the house.

I've been there, you have to get it over with, the longer you fester the nastier it's going to be when you finally let it out. That's when ugly shit happens and you don't want ugly shit to happeN. Don't scream....just say it....if she starts to spin it, walk out of the house and don't let her get you pissed.
 
Same thing happened to my bff. He was working on some school work, went to tuck in the gf. She had fallen asleep her her cell. He removed it from her hand, to put it on the night stand.

The screen was unlocked and she had fallen asleep sextng some dude.
 
Why do you feel the need to sort out the lease before leaving OP? Do you think your landlord goes a shit if you spend the night at your parent's or a hotel? Grab some important belongings and bounce.

The reason I'm not leaving now is because it will look odd, I don't ever just stay out, especially without notice.

I also don't want to come back, once I'm gone that's it. I've also got a lot of stuff here, things like my oled tv, gaming pc, I've bought most of the furniture etc. I'm not leaving that stuff here.

Plus if I left after an argument she's the type that would destroy my stuff to get back at me.

I also can't suddenly grab a 55" oled without her asking questions, which will then cause cause an argument which I'm trying to avoid for now.
 
That's more the approach I'm thinking.

Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

I'm not a forgiving person, a lot of that has to do with my past, bad experiences tend to shape you (even though you shouldn't let them).

I'm also not an agressive type, I don't tend to argue with people. But I'm the type that when I do lose it, I go overboard and most people are shocked due to my generally laid back passive behaviour.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to grab the ipad and throw it at her head and then get into an argument and confront her but I know my end goal here.

I'm done, and me just leaving without even trying to work things out will hurt her much more than me getting into an argument showing how bothered I am.

Damn you petty, lol

And violent.
 
OP, cheating is cheating and believe me, I've felt the irreversible pain it does to you. Having been cheated on in the past, I completely understand what you're feeling, and I agree, direct confrontation isn't the way to handle this.

Like others have said, try to sort out the lease and whatnot and be ready. Get bags packed, find a place to stay, the whole nine yards. When it's all set in stone, you need to be honest with her in a way she wasn't with you.
"It's over. I unlocked the iPad, this is what I saw, nothing you say or do is changing this, the damage is done." Expect a dramatic reaction, of course. I remember my ex crying on the floor, saying it wasn't what it seemed like, it was all "a joke between [them]" (it very clearly wasn't), the whole "I wasn't getting the attention I needed" argument. This sort of stuff will mess with your heart and head. You loved this girl for four years, that love doesn't just die. It's going to sting and you're going to think, somewhere in the back of your mind, "hey, maybe I can fix this." It's not fixable.
Couples have survived cheating before, but for most of us, it's a scar that never leaves, even in future relationships.

You need to make your getaway plan, stick to your guns, vocalize the pain she brought you and let her know what she's done, then get the hell out of dodge. Then comes the healing process. Spending time out with friends, indulging in your hobbies, whatever it is. Clear her out of your life, delete her social media connections to you, block out any potential access she has to you and try to heal.

It's going to be a rough road but in time it will get better. If you need anything, PM me. I'm here to talk.
 
That's more the approach I'm thinking.

Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

I'm not a forgiving person, a lot of that has to do with my past, bad experiences tend to shape you (even though you shouldn't let them).

I'm also not an agressive type, I don't tend to argue with people. But I'm the type that when I do lose it, I go overboard and most people are shocked due to my generally laid back passive behaviour.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to grab the ipad and throw it at her head and then get into an argument and confront her but I know my end goal here.

I'm done, and me just leaving without even trying to work things out will hurt her much more than me getting into an argument showing how bothered I am.

Personally, I would at least talk to her about it. It's not to "fix the relationship", it's to get some closure. What happened, why did it happen, anything. It would always be in the back of my mind if I didn't know. It doesn't have to be an argument. Just talk. You've been together for 4 years, have a conversation before never seeing her again. It won't hurt.
 
Yeah don't sit on this for too long. Because that small but feasting flame will only grow into something unattainable if left untreated. You'll start to go WAY down the rabbit hole, you'll question everything, remember only the bad, the mental gymnastics performed will eat at you. An nothing of merit will come of it. Only anger and hurt will be the first words.

Which is what will lead to a unproductive shouting match and or maybe even a one sided barrage attack. So OP take it slow and collect whatever resemblance of, thoughts, pride you have and get down to business.


Eitherway diagloue can still be had even through pain, especially in these vague situations.
 
That's more the approach I'm thinking.

Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

I'm not a forgiving person, a lot of that has to do with my past, bad experiences tend to shape you (even though you shouldn't let them).

I'm also not an agressive type, I don't tend to argue with people. But I'm the type that when I do lose it, I go overboard and most people are shocked due to my generally laid back passive behaviour.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to grab the ipad and throw it at her head and then get into an argument and confront her but I know my end goal here.

I'm done, and me just leaving without even trying to work things out will hurt her much more than me getting into an argument showing how bothered I am.

I think if I was in your situation I would do the same thing. Might grill her a little bit because she deserves to share the pain.
Best of luck.
 
The reason I'm not leaving now is because it will look odd, I don't ever just stay out, especially without notice.

I also don't want to come back, once I'm gone that's it. I've also got a lot of stuff here, things like my oled tv, gaming pc, I've bought most of the furniture etc. I'm not leaving that stuff here.

Plus if I left after an argument she's the type that would destroy my stuff to get back at me.

I also can't suddenly grab a 55" oled without her asking questions, which will then cause cause an argument which I'm trying to avoid for now.

I would just calmly start packing my shit up and leave then, if you're worried about a confrontation
 
That's more the approach I'm thinking.

Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

I'm not a forgiving person, a lot of that has to do with my past, bad experiences tend to shape you (even though you shouldn't let them).

I'm also not an agressive type, I don't tend to argue with people. But I'm the type that when I do lose it, I go overboard and most people are shocked due to my generally laid back passive behaviour.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to grab the ipad and throw it at her head and then get into an argument and confront her but I know my end goal here.

I'm done, and me just leaving without even trying to work things out will hurt her much more than me getting into an argument showing how bothered I am.

To each their own but I think just up and walking out without saying anything is the wrong move to make. Even if the end game is the same, better to talk it out.
 
We should stop criticizing the OP about what he should do or when since he has already made up his mind, we should probably be helping him as to HOW he should confront her.

I'm at a loss here as I tend to just burst out when I'm hot headed (not ideal I know) and few times I've done it in a calm/passive state.
 
That's more the approach I'm thinking.

Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

I'm not a forgiving person, a lot of that has to do with my past, bad experiences tend to shape you (even though you shouldn't let them).

I'm also not an agressive type, I don't tend to argue with people. But I'm the type that when I do lose it, I go overboard and most people are shocked due to my generally laid back passive behaviour.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to grab the ipad and throw it at her head and then get into an argument and confront her but I know my end goal here.

I'm done, and me just leaving without even trying to work things out will hurt her much more than me getting into an argument showing how bothered I am.

go see a shrink. you sound like you have some serious issues.

you dont want to be the guy who ends up hitting a woman, gets a record and becomes unemployable for the rest of his life.
 
The reason I'm not leaving now is because it will look odd, I don't ever just stay out, especially without notice.

I also don't want to come back, once I'm gone that's it. I've also got a lot of stuff here, things like my oled tv, gaming pc, I've bought most of the furniture etc. I'm not leaving that stuff here.

Plus if I left after an argument she's the type that would destroy my stuff to get back at me.

I also can't suddenly grab a 55" oled without her asking questions, which will then cause cause an argument which I'm trying to avoid for now.
How does waiting for tomorrow addresses that issue of timing though?
 
OCD seems to be thinking this through. He knows that arguing tonight isn't going to do anything especially since he's said he's done. He's not looking for answers but to end things. If he thinks he's going to fly off the handle right now then better to be in a better place mentally that way he maintains control of himself and the conversation. Him making sure he has the lease information sorted out before walking makes sense. It's a rational and adult thing to do. It's not like this is a TV show. He still has work tomorrow. The pain, etc is still going to be there regardless. Losing sleep isn't going to make it any better. Doing this calm and collected as possible is better then making choices in the heat of the moment when emotions are raw.
 
Personally, I would at least talk to her about it. It's not to "fix the relationship", it's to get some closure. What happened, why did it happen, anything. It would always be in the back of my mind if I didn't know. It doesn't have to be an argument. Just talk. You've been together for 4 years, have a conversation before never seeing her again. It won't hurt.

To try and put a bit of context, there is no talking with her.

So what tends to happen is I say nothing at all, in the past I might have but what would start off as a trivial thing would then blow up over nothing.

To give an example it's like being in the car and an idiot cuts you up, you can bang your horn, wave your hands, swear at him, and they could react, things could escalate, and all for what?

But if you just leave them to it, get on with the drive you feel calmer, and less stressed. That's how I've been living through this relationship
 
New plan then OP? Get outta bed now and just act normal, maybe even nicer than usual to give her a false sense of security. Then take the day day off tomorrow and move your stuff out.
 
We should stop criticizing the OP about what he should do or when since he has already made up his mind, we should probably be helping him as to HOW he should confront her.

I'm at a loss here as I tend to just burst out when I'm hot headed (not ideal I know) and few times I've done it in a calm/passive state.

DIdn't see anyone criticizing, I just think people know that if you let something like this sit, it will eat at you and eat at you until you can't take it anymore.
 
Hey OP, what did you do with the ipad? Did you leave the whatssapp conversation up? Will she use her ipad and realize you have seen the whole thing? I mean, the ipad isn't in the place she left it and if the pictures are still there when she puts in the passcode, she's going to realize pretty quickly what is going on.
 
It's words on a message board. I wouldn't actually throw an ipad at her head.

It's anger talking.

You're still being vindictive. Which is an understandable response - a human response. But we all know two wrongs don't make things better. This isn't war.
 
That's more the approach I'm thinking.

Once I get my ammo tomorrow and know what I can do to minimise inconvinience to myself I just want to leave, hit her with what I know and tell her to never contact me again.

I'm not a forgiving person, a lot of that has to do with my past, bad experiences tend to shape you (even though you shouldn't let them).

I'm also not an agressive type, I don't tend to argue with people. But I'm the type that when I do lose it, I go overboard and most people are shocked due to my generally laid back passive behaviour.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to grab the ipad and throw it at her head and then get into an argument and confront her but I know my end goal here.

I'm done, and me just leaving without even trying to work things out will hurt her much more than me getting into an argument showing how bothered I am.

Talking things out and working things our are different. I urge you to do what is best for you, not what will be most hurtful to her. The reason I suggest talking to her is for your own benefit and closure, not hers. And anyways, knowing that you deeply hurt someone you care about is a horrible feeling. My point is, she'll be hurting regardless. This can be a step towards expressing your emotions without either ignoring them or exploding. Best of luck.
 
The reason I'm not leaving now is because it will look odd, I don't ever just stay out, especially without notice.

I also don't want to come back, once I'm gone that's it. I've also got a lot of stuff here, things like my oled tv, gaming pc, I've bought most of the furniture etc. I'm not leaving that stuff here.

Plus if I left after an argument she's the type that would destroy my stuff to get back at me.

I also can't suddenly grab a 55" oled without her asking questions, which will then cause cause an argument which I'm trying to avoid for now.

Call some friends to help you move and stand up for yourself . If you really fear her like this that's pretty wild OP. Get your shit and leave .
 
The reason I'm not leaving now is because it will look odd, I don't ever just stay out, especially without notice.

I also don't want to come back, once I'm gone that's it. I've also got a lot of stuff here, things like my oled tv, gaming pc, I've bought most of the furniture etc. I'm not leaving that stuff here.

Plus if I left after an argument she's the type that would destroy my stuff to get back at me.

I also can't suddenly grab a 55" oled without her asking questions, which will then cause cause an argument which I'm trying to avoid for now.

Do what you want, but none of that will change tomorrow. You'll be at work, not packing. Get the high end electronics in the car now and be ready to split the second she starts freaking out.
 
go see a shrink. you sound like you have some serious issues.

you dont want to be the guy who ends up hitting a woman, gets a record and becomes unemployable for the rest of his life.

I think some of you are taking things too literally.

I wouldn't actually throw an ipad at her.

If I really had issues I certainly wouldn't be sat here on a forum. I'd be all up in her face shouting and screaming.

Life is too short, and a confrontation won't change anything. She's broken my trust, so nothing she can do now can repair it.
 
go see a shrink. you sound like you have some serious issues.

you dont want to be the guy who ends up hitting a woman, gets a record and becomes unemployable for the rest of his life.

Seriously dude? The OP is clearly handling this in a completely calm, and passive way. It's healthy that the OP acknowledges his anger.
 
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