So I just went on my girlfriends ipad....

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O.P., O.P., listen to me.

It may not be today. It may not be tomorrow.

But she will contact you, and she will want to come back,

DO. NOT. DO. IT.

What if he doesn't want to go into an argument about it? What would that change? So she just moves back in and they're avoiding all the scandal.
 
Well of course she's going to try to save face in front of the parents. Your folks know you so they probably don't really believe her anyways. Parents are always smarter than we give them credit for and see through more bullshit than we think they do. I would bet they probably didn't really like her that much but were always nice to her mainly for your sake.

Make sure your next girlfriend isn't such a raging bipolar, and do like a background check or proper research on the people she hangs out with!! It's tough to go through shit like this but if you learn from it, it can be a valuable lesson that will make life easier in the future.

good luck man. I'm glad GAF was here for you and helped you cope in some way
 
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So how likely is it that she wont sign the papers and let him off? Sounds like she would be really vindictive or juvenile and try to drag him through hell. It's already clear she refuses to accept responsibility and she sounds like she will never admit to cheating, or at least spin it off and blame OP.
 
Because new page:

O.P., O.P., listen to me.

It may not be today. It may not be tomorrow.

But she will contact you, and she will want to come back,

DO. NOT. DO. IT.

Yeah, he claims to be an introvert, but that's just being a pushover.

I see, I see. His mom is his rock, she should know everything and give proper advice that he will trust to follow.
 
This.

OP, I know you said life is too short to blow up and get angry over trivial things. But like.. This isn't trivial. And life is also too short to not stand up for yourself and inadvertently hide the truth from people who are at risk of getting manipulated by someone who's contorting the truth.

This. Bare minimum after the assignment is signed, I would let her know you saved the message and emailed it to yourself, so she knows she cant go around spinning that tale to all of her friends without the risk of getting called out on it.
 
I've mentioned it before, but I had to deal with a lot of comments about my appearence not always positive.

I had cosmetic surgery which has helped reduce the comments but I'm still not happy.

I try and avoid looking in the mirror, and don't like when people stare at me. If I'm out and someone is looking at me I get uncomfortable and start thinking what they're looking at.

It's something I've dealt with for a long time, and there's a bit of surgery I'd like still but it's a question of funds.
Ah yeah, i remember now.
To be honest, you're probably better of working on your self-image. Gaf isn't bullshitting you about your looks.
But we can't change your mind about yourself i guess.
 
So I called my wife a bit later to talk and she didn't answer so I ended up calling this Jeff guy and I asked if he knew who I was and he said no. I asked if he knew my wife and said they were friends. Then I asked why he was chatting my wife on snapchat and then he hung up.

I called my wife a bit later and she answered and I asked who this Jeff person was, and she admitted in short that she was her backup plan. Things between my wife and I haven't been the greatest lately and she said she needed a plan of someone to support her in case we split up.

I had an hour on my lunch break to talk to her and has to go and she asked me what I wanted to do but I didn't have an answer yet.

Full disclosure: she says she's unhappy because she doesn't feel like she comes first (i play video games after the kids go to bed most nights) and she says I don't listen well enough.

she claims she never sent any pics to him and that he never sent any pics either but this was a guy she's been friends with behind my back since we have been together (7 years) and about 10 years ago she slept with him. She did say he has been hitting her up fairly often to hang out but according to her she hasn't hung out with him since we have been together. She did admit it was fucked up of her to talk to him like that, she went to him for emotional support and talked to him about her problems with our relationship.
I don't know what to do. I think I should just move out. Or maybe it's my fault for not giving her all of my free time

If you have an out for your relationship, there is no incentive to work on fixing the relationship you are in. Your wife needs to cut off contact with that guy and the two of you need to focus on fixing your relationship. Play games less and go see a marriage counselor.
 
Ah yeah, i remember now.
To be honest, you're probably better of working on your self-image. Gaf isn't bullshitting you about your looks.
But we can't change your mind about yourself i guess.

Yeah dude's a 1 percenter in looks.. and is wanting to fix things. Sad.. Hopefully can get the self image up there where it belongs.
 
I've mentioned it before, but I had to deal with a lot of comments about my appearence not always positive.

I had cosmetic surgery which has helped reduce the comments but I'm still not happy.

I try and avoid looking in the mirror, and don't like when people stare at me. If I'm out and someone is looking at me I get uncomfortable and start thinking what they're looking at.

It's something I've dealt with for a long time, and there's a bit of surgery I'd like still but it's a question of funds.

Yeah I get some positive comments, like my mum will tell me I'm good looking but it's my mum lol, or she'll show a photo to someone and they'll be positive, but it's not as though they're gonna turn round and say he's ugly. It's like a mother showing their son, most people are tactful.

Not to get too personal, but I'd recommend seeing a psychologist to try to help you with your insecurities. Because you're a physical specimen dude, no joke. Taking a knife to that face would be a fucking crime, I'm dead serious.
 
I've mentioned it before, but I had to deal with a lot of comments about my appearence not always positive.

I had cosmetic surgery which has helped reduce the comments but I'm still not happy.

I try and avoid looking in the mirror, and don't like when people stare at me. If I'm out and someone is looking at me I get uncomfortable and start thinking what they're looking at.

It's something I've dealt with for a long time, and there's a bit of surgery I'd like still but it's a question of funds.

Yeah I get some positive comments, like my mum will tell me I'm good looking but it's my mum lol, or she'll show a photo to someone and they'll be positive, but it's not as though they're gonna turn round and say he's ugly. It's like a mother showing their son, most people are tactful.

I'm the exact same way

I've had girlfriends tell me I'm hot and think they're taking the piss etc

very insecure
 
Hard situation man. I don't really know what to say to you.

Did the conversation between both of you felt sincere? If you trust what she's saying maybe you don't need to move out. Now that you know the problem you can both work together to fix it.

You seem to have a good family, 2 kids that would be devastated if you decide to distance yourself. If you feel there's the slimmest chance of things working out at least give it a try.

I know that you must be feeling betrayed that she was talking to him behind your back, but (if she's being sincere) she wanted someone trustful to listen to her problems. Now it's time to reunite and fight for your marriage, show that your the guy that she can look for when she's feeling insecure.

Your situation is one more remainder of how we, that have relationships, need to be more alert of how we spent the time with our partners/family. It's good to have personal hobbies, but the time together is very important too.

I, personally, have been working too much this past months. Never get to bed with the wife and always get up when she's already gone, I can feel that this is slowing detracting from our relationship.

The conversation felt sincere.
Appreciate the support and advise everyone. Do you think it's unreasonable for me to ask her to not talk to this person anymore?
 
What if he doesn't want to go into an argument about it? What would that change? So she just moves back in and they're avoiding all the scandal.
I was talking about coming back to him.

Either way, don't do it.

She's not going to make his life easy. It's clear she's an absurd human being and a awful person.
 
Hard situation man. I don't really know what to say to you.

Did the conversation between both of you felt sincere? If you trust what she's saying maybe you don't need to move out. Now that you know the problem you can both work together to fix it.

You seem to have a good family, 2 kids that would be devastated if you decide to distance yourself. If you feel there's the slimmest chance of things working out at least give it a try.

I know that you must be feeling betrayed that she was talking to him behind your back, but (if she's being sincere) she wanted someone trustful to listen to her problems. Now it's time to reunite and fight for your marriage, show that your the guy that she can look for when she's feeling insecure.

Your situation is one more remainder of how we, that have relationships, need to be more alert of how we spent the time with our partners/family. It's good to have personal hobbies, but the time together is very important too.

I, personally, have been working too much this past months. Never get to bed with the wife and always get up when she's already gone, I can feel that this is slowing detracting from our relationship.
I doubt he ever feels safe with her again. If he's spending all his free time gaming and on NeoGAF, he's clearly lost feelings for her, too.

Trying to stay together for kids is the worst idea. Kids know when their parents aren't happy, so that's awful advice.

Leaving a wife or husband doesn't mean leaving the kids.
 
The conversation felt sincere.
Appreciate the support and advise everyone. Do you think it's unreasonable for me to ask her to not talk to this person anymore?

Compromises need to be made to make this whole things work again. You certainly need to work on focusing on her once the kids go to bed and she needs to drop this guy. It's understandable that you just don't feel comfortable with him in your life. And clearly, he isnt looking out for your marriage's best interest. Has she ever displayed any interest in games, if so maybe one compromise is games the whole family can join in on?
 
The conversation felt sincere.
Appreciate the support and advise everyone. Do you think it's unreasonable for me to ask her to not talk to this person anymore?

Not unreasonable at all. Just put in the work with your wife, make her a priority, show her she's important. The alternative sucks, take it from me, make it right now while you still have a chance. And of course expect her to hold up her end as well.
 
The conversation felt sincere.
Appreciate the support and advise everyone. Do you think it's unreasonable for me to ask her to not talk to this person anymore?

It's absolutely unreasonable for her to talk to someone that she's slept with.. and admits is her back-up plan. People will be people, but that kind of stuff needs to be left in the dating pool, not going on when you're married with kids.

That's not where you go for support, it's where you go for attention.
 
So I called my wife a bit later to talk and she didn't answer so I ended up calling this Jeff guy and I asked if he knew who I was and he said no. I asked if he knew my wife and said they were friends. Then I asked why he was chatting my wife on snapchat and then he hung up.

I called my wife a bit later and she answered and I asked who this Jeff person was, and she admitted in short that she was her backup plan. Things between my wife and I haven't been the greatest lately and she said she needed a plan of someone to support her in case we split up.

I had an hour on my lunch break to talk to her and has to go and she asked me what I wanted to do but I didn't have an answer yet.

Full disclosure: she says she's unhappy because she doesn't feel like she comes first (i play video games after the kids go to bed most nights) and she says I don't listen well enough.

she claims she never sent any pics to him and that he never sent any pics either but this was a guy she's been friends with behind my back since we have been together (7 years) and about 10 years ago she slept with him. She did say he has been hitting her up fairly often to hang out but according to her she hasn't hung out with him since we have been together. She did admit it was fucked up of her to talk to him like that, she went to him for emotional support and talked to him about her problems with our relationship.
I don't know what to do. I think I should just move out. Or maybe it's my fault for not giving her all of my free time

Tell her you love her and you're taking her to pound town after the kids go to sleep tonight. That's the mother of your children and she feels neglected. Maybe it's your fault or maybe it's not and is just her perspective, but if you love her you need to address it now and let her know that what she is feeling, whether you agree with the cause or not, is valid.

She's getting her emotional support elsewhere so you just need to backtrack to the part where she felt like she had to do that instead of come to you.

Good luck to you as well
 
The conversation felt sincere.
Appreciate the support and advise everyone. Do you think it's unreasonable for me to ask her to not talk to this person anymore?

I wouldn't make that the focus. Make sure the conversation is about getting you guys back on track first. Get a sitter, have a date with your wife etc.
 
The conversation felt sincere.
Appreciate the support and advise everyone. Do you think it's unreasonable for me to ask her to not talk to this person anymore?

Not unreasonable. You feel uncomfortable about him. She should care about how you feel. That guy needs to respect your relationship...and your wife does too. I think the never sent a pic thing is a lie. Why would he just say "send a pic". Plus that's what people do on snapchat. But she might be telling the truth. Who knows.

This is the type of stuff that would mess with my head in the future. I think I would probably think she's talking to him in some other way. I really hope things work out for you.

I'd recommend couples counseling.
 
You must absolutely use this event and your new found freedom to propel yourself.

Advance your career, maybe work towards University if you haven't already been, work on your image issues and become a stronger and much more confident person.

From the personality you have demonstrated in this thread you can accomplish great things if you put your mind to it.

Look after your physical and mental well being and do something new.
 
Because new page:

O.P., O.P., listen to me.

It may not be today. It may not be tomorrow.

But she will contact you, and she will want to come back,

DO. NOT. DO. IT.
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I was expecting that today if I'm honest.

But I'm pretty stubborn so the chance of me getting into a relationship with her is ZERO. I'm not forgiving of people. I might not make a scene but I just close myself off if someone crosses the line.
 
I doubt he ever feels safe with her again. If he's spending all his free time gaming and on NeoGAF, he's clearly lost feelings for her, too.

Trying to stay together for kids is the worst idea. Kids know when their parents aren't happy, so that's awful advice.

Leaving a wife or husband doesn't mean leaving the kids.

I wouldn't say spending more time doing other things is a sign of lost feelings. Sometimes people just get wrapped up doing their own thing and the key is communicating and bringing each other together again through mutual hobbies. It's easy to drift apart in a long term marriage but it requires work to keep things cool.

WRT kids, they shouldn't be the only reason you stay together, no. but they're a damn good reason to talk and try everything, give it your goddamn all to work things out and stay together.
 
The conversation felt sincere.
Appreciate the support and advise everyone. Do you think it's unreasonable for me to ask her to not talk to this person anymore?

Of course not man. Now you both need to focus on your family.

And i'm mostly sure that she'll agree. Make a plan of activities that the 4 of you can make (go to the movies, to a park, rent some movies at home).

And most important, remember that you're husband and wife. Surprise her with a program of you 2 by yourselves. Before being parents you're a couple. That's a mistake that most of us commit after getting kids, we forget about the love between 2 part.


I'm the exact same way

I've had girlfriends tell me I'm hot and think they're taking the piss etc

very insecure

Man, you guys need to make friendship with some ugly confident guys.

Get those sexy body working.
 
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Soon. It is inevitable.

Yeeeeuuuuuup.

If you don't acknowledge your feelings and allow yourself to feel emotional pain, the emotions will come out in unexpected and unhealthy ways. The "fancy a dick pic" line, while funny and harmless, is a good example.

You might be right. I have a few things I need to work on, but it's a long process, not something I can solve overnight.

My main thing is dealing with insecurity.

I'm actually speaking from experience. I'm getting a lot better, but it's taken a few years.

Good luck, man. It's worth the work.
 
Turning to someone like that for emotional support is one of the most natural things that people do. Sounds like she fessed up, and did create a moral boundary of what is okay and what is not okay that is pretty legit.

What you have ahead of you is a lot of conversations if you want your marriage to succeed.
Turning to someone for emotional support is one thing, having a backup plan, a secret male friend you slept with, who you flirt with on a platform designed specifically for deleting old messages (and pictures) is another thing entirely.

There is no guarantee that this is the whole truth either.

That's not to say he shouldn't talk this out, and try and get to the bottom of this issue and work on the marriage - but the way you frame it makes it sound like it's no big deal. I'd recommend councilling at the least, and for the poster to gird their loins for a potentially more involved confession.
 
OP, go look at the people that go to far with surgery because they quickly can't do enough (its like crack). But regret will set in once you start looking like a plastic Ken doll. Stop now and go seek help to talk about your insecurities and stop internalizing it. It will manifest in more insecurities not less and I guarantee you that, trying to please everyone with you're already good looks with more changes.


Will drive you crazy.


You need to work on your self image and not the physical, before something gets fucked up along the way and you get botched up. Also no one here is lying when they say that you're not ugly. Plus listen to you're own advice and remind yourself that -people have varying taste some good and bad, also people say things out of jealousy more times then not.
 
I don't know what to do. I think I should just move out. Or maybe it's my fault for not giving her all of my free time

You shouldn't give her all of your free time, you need to find a balance. You shouldn't stop with your hobbies nor change who you are, but you can adjust so everyone is happy, and, if that's not enough, it just didn't work out.

Did you guys talk about this situation before? Did she already tell you that you didn't listen or that you neglected her? If so and you didn't try to accommodate her needs along with yours, than that's on you too, if she never said anything about this situation or if she demands ALL of your free time, then I don't think that's on you.

Either way, nothing justifies the action she took, and she knows it. Now it's up to you, will you be able to continue and, more importantly, be happy? If not, don't force yourself, that makes things worse for everyone.
 
OP is a great person.

I would consider myself a calm and forgiving person, but after that bullshit story she came up with, I would have posted all the evidence and told the entire story on Facebook and tagged her on it (censored of course).
 
Turning to someone for emotional support is one thing, having a backup plan, a secret male friend you slept with, who you flirt with on a platform designed specifically for deleting old messages (and pictures) is another thing entirely.

There is no guarantee that this is the whole truth either.

That's not to say he shouldn't talk this out, and try and get to the bottom of this issue and work on the marriage - but the way you frame it makes it sound like it's no big deal. I'd recommend councilling at the least, and for the poster to gird their loins for a potentially more involved confession.
And also her "emotional support" friend is asking her to send him a picture.
Some serious and honest talk is in order, for the sake of their children.
 
OCD, I can understand not wanting to show your mum dick pics so she knows you weren't cheating, but there's nothing wrong with emphatically letting your parents know this is all on the ex. I would also tell your ex not to badmouth you and spread lies that you were going behind her back and that you have the proof of what she did.

Also, you're a great-looking guy. No surgeries needed.
 
Turning to someone for emotional support is one thing, having a backup plan, a secret male friend you slept with, who you flirt with on a platform designed specifically for deleting old messages (and pictures) is another thing entirely.

There is no guarantee that this is the whole truth either.

Yeah I don't want the poster to feel additional pain, but the fact that this stuff was going on using a platform DESIGNED to cover your tracks... I'm not buying the no pics thing at all.. especially the flippant way he was asking for a pic.
Sounds more like he was settling in for a wank session and needed some fresh material.
 
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