The trailers on Steam are not fully reflecting the game either. Old footage which is now under scrutiny for features not being actually in the game.
No, I mean the trailers on the store page.
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The trailers on Steam are not fully reflecting the game either. Old footage which is now under scrutiny for features not being actually in the game.
No, I mean the trailers on the store page.
Dragonslayer_023
Banned
My biggest problem is the graphical downgrade. The planets don't look nearly as cool and interesting in the game.
Jacksinthe
Banned
I made the body language comment.
Does a poker player need to be a psychologist to understand a tell or bluff?
Does a boxer need to be a psychologist to read his opponent?
Chess player?
A first date?
Your dog?
Body language - everyone uses it. It's what helps make first impressions. If you find someone trustworthy, likable, confident, etc. It's not magic, you don't need a degree and everyone can simply pay attention.
Also I made 3 points going against the lying bit which show I don't think he was lying day 1. My last point? Sure. He has. That's the point.
This isn't difficult to grasp, man.
hobblygobbly
Member
Edit: Nevermind I found the archived one (a mod added it to the OP, I hadn't refreshed it when I initially opened the thread this morning)
SocksAndShoes
Banned
This game is making people lose their minds. It's pretty fascinating to watch this all unfold.
Sleight of Jam
Banned
You can find it on the r/games subreddit still.
Mods of that sub at it again it seems. Not that surprising after whole "Bluray had fingerprints on it so it means copy is fake!" incident they manged to cause.
The Albatross
Member
This should have never been a full retail game. I feel like that pressure came from Sony for Hello Games to be releasing a full $60 retail game, when this should have been released in a format like Ark or Day-Z, as an early release title with a nominal entry fee ($10, $20?) and then let the game expand from there.
IF this weren't a full retail game, it wouldn't have gotten the attention it got and then it wouldn't have caused the press to dive into features, which wouldn't have led Sean Murray and crew to say such misleading things about the game. I don't think that Murray and his team were answering questions out of malice or in an interest to mislead the public to increase sales, I think as a developer, when you're in the weeds of a project, you have this vision for what the project is... And then you come up with an MVP (minimum viable product) that fulfills the release requirements. As a developer, you play a game of willfully tricking yourself into thinking that the MVP is meeting the original vision, when it's really only meeting the minimum feature requirements.
I've done it with software I've built before, where a designer and UX person is providing the vision, and I come up with a product as a developer that fulfills those requirements as an MVP but probably misses the mark on the overall vision when everything is connected together. Though, as a small time software developer, it's easy to build on that MVP post-launch because we're not hyping the product to hell with those promises to the public... It's just with the internal teams.
I can see what brought them to this state, and I think a lot of that is driven by pressure to have an indie developer make this game as a full retail release, instead of what it actually is... an early release tech demo that is a platform to build on for the future. Feel bad for the developers because they put a lot of work into this, and it's going to be a stain on their resumes instead of a crowning achievement. I also feel bad for fans, fanboys, and consumers who put so much energy into following this title for 2 or 3 years, and this is the result... It's a level of disappointment and commitment that is nearly unique to the videogame industry. I was skeptical of the game from the start, thinking it looked like a tech demo, and that I didn't get what the gameplay motivation was, so I didn't feel like I had been waiting for the game when it dropped, and I don't feel let down by the developers.
IF this weren't a full retail game, it wouldn't have gotten the attention it got and then it wouldn't have caused the press to dive into features, which wouldn't have led Sean Murray and crew to say such misleading things about the game. I don't think that Murray and his team were answering questions out of malice or in an interest to mislead the public to increase sales, I think as a developer, when you're in the weeds of a project, you have this vision for what the project is... And then you come up with an MVP (minimum viable product) that fulfills the release requirements. As a developer, you play a game of willfully tricking yourself into thinking that the MVP is meeting the original vision, when it's really only meeting the minimum feature requirements.
I've done it with software I've built before, where a designer and UX person is providing the vision, and I come up with a product as a developer that fulfills those requirements as an MVP but probably misses the mark on the overall vision when everything is connected together. Though, as a small time software developer, it's easy to build on that MVP post-launch because we're not hyping the product to hell with those promises to the public... It's just with the internal teams.
I can see what brought them to this state, and I think a lot of that is driven by pressure to have an indie developer make this game as a full retail release, instead of what it actually is... an early release tech demo that is a platform to build on for the future. Feel bad for the developers because they put a lot of work into this, and it's going to be a stain on their resumes instead of a crowning achievement. I also feel bad for fans, fanboys, and consumers who put so much energy into following this title for 2 or 3 years, and this is the result... It's a level of disappointment and commitment that is nearly unique to the videogame industry. I was skeptical of the game from the start, thinking it looked like a tech demo, and that I didn't get what the gameplay motivation was, so I didn't feel like I had been waiting for the game when it dropped, and I don't feel let down by the developers.
LastCupOfSorrow
Banned
Crazy how one individual could spread so much misinformation and BS about their game before it is released. The fact that it went on for years, you know that SOMEONE, if not multiple parties, knew about the falsities of a lot of his statements. What really gets me though are the folks rushing to the defense of indefensible opinions, lol.
This is not the same game that I watched trailers of for years and I am having a very difficult time grasping how they are able to use features to promote the game in their advertisements that are not actually in the game. Is that legal?
This is not the same game that I watched trailers of for years and I am having a very difficult time grasping how they are able to use features to promote the game in their advertisements that are not actually in the game. Is that legal?
Fakeknowledge
Member
We got hustled. I should have gone with my initial feelings on it. I haven't touched it since the day after launch, my interest went off a cliff by the third system as it felt like i'd already seen and done everything.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing at this post. My first planet... was exploring and said to my partner "look, a toxic bouncing pineapple" - his reply "stupid fucking game"
UncleSporky
Member
Nah as pointed out earlier it would say "removed" if mods had done it.
I would assume OP deleted his account and the post because he got too many death threats from NMS fans, may have gotten doxxed or something. That's what most people commenting on the deleted post seem to think.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4y4i3a/wheres_the_nms_we_were_sold_on_front_page/
eot
Banned
It goes a bit further than that I think. It's one thing if they show desert planets and then there are no desert planets in the game, that kind of stuff happens and I think everyone knows stuff gets cut. However, a lot of the stuff that you could put on this list and potentially brush off as innocent over promising paints an image of a radically different game. If you're genuinely making a simulation, then scaling back parts of that simulation isn't going to change the fundamental nature of your game. However, when you look at NMS I don't think it resembles a game that was ever a simulation and that makes it harder to give Hello Games the benefit of the doubt.
Totally agree. It is very obvious.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Fuck
MythicReclaimer
Member
I put about 25 hours into it on PS4 which was about 22 too many (tried to convince myself there was more to it rather than the reality of the paper-thin gameplay experience). With what I thought was a $20 Early Access-like experience shipped and sold as a complete $60 product combined with constant crashes and system hard-locks I requested a refund through the PSN Online Live Chat yesterday which was honored without issue.
This game is a prime example as to why I never hype myself for any game. I just won't allow it. When the game comes out, and a do a bit of research, I can make my assessments and judge the game, based off my own experiences, off it's own merits alone. Stand alone titles and sequels, if I apply these rules, I'm never disappointed. I can enjoy the game for what it is, and not have to worry about expectations set by myself, the media, or the fan base as well.
It does pretty well all things considered, and I've hardly been burned (Brink...*cough*). All this being said I haven't invested in the game just yet, but I will in due time. The backlog is real.
It does pretty well all things considered, and I've hardly been burned (Brink...*cough*). All this being said I haven't invested in the game just yet, but I will in due time. The backlog is real.
TheCanisDirus
Member
I was going to request a refund via PS4 as well. Good to hear they're allowing them.
Brerlappin
Member
All along i thought this just looked like a more colourful version of Elite
angerous. And it turns out theres actually less to do than ED, at least it has working multiplayer. I was incredibly wary of it mostly being procedurally generated, the fact that noone knew what you actually did in the game, the lack of reviews before release, etc. I tempered expectations and knew id wait until the hype was over to see if id buy it, and boy am i glad i waited. That Crowbcat video was the final nail in the coffin for NMS in my opinion. The lies upon lies from Sean Murray were disgraceful. Either flat out lying or just obfuscating the truth about whats in the game is shameful. Randy Pitchford got crucified on the internet for similar lies over Aliens: CM and i know its taboo to say this about an indie developer, but they deserve to get roasted for this. Just because theyre indie, doesnt mean they shouldnt be called to task for selling the game on false advertising
angerous. And it turns out theres actually less to do than ED, at least it has working multiplayer. I was incredibly wary of it mostly being procedurally generated, the fact that noone knew what you actually did in the game, the lack of reviews before release, etc. I tempered expectations and knew id wait until the hype was over to see if id buy it, and boy am i glad i waited. That Crowbcat video was the final nail in the coffin for NMS in my opinion. The lies upon lies from Sean Murray were disgraceful. Either flat out lying or just obfuscating the truth about whats in the game is shameful. Randy Pitchford got crucified on the internet for similar lies over Aliens: CM and i know its taboo to say this about an indie developer, but they deserve to get roasted for this. Just because theyre indie, doesnt mean they shouldnt be called to task for selling the game on false advertisingIt's really a shame that some of these things were cut. They shouldn't have talked about features that they weren't sure would make it. It's even more of a shame because what they released is still an impressive achievement for such a small team and a fun experience for sci-fi fans like me. Now people are losing their minds over missing stuff instead of enjoying what is a unique indie game ($60 price tag was also a mistake in retrospect).
If they had been a little more conservative with their promises or communicated better than I think the game would be looked at more fondly. I am enjoying the game but starting to get burned out because of lack of depth.
That said, the foundation of the game is pretty impressive to me, so if they can add some of the missing stuff and refine the gameplay mechanics (and add MP), we could end up with a pretty great game. Maybe they can use some of the money they are making right now to hire more people and release some really major (free) updates. Would probably go a long way toward getting some of that goodwill back.
If they had been a little more conservative with their promises or communicated better than I think the game would be looked at more fondly. I am enjoying the game but starting to get burned out because of lack of depth.
That said, the foundation of the game is pretty impressive to me, so if they can add some of the missing stuff and refine the gameplay mechanics (and add MP), we could end up with a pretty great game. Maybe they can use some of the money they are making right now to hire more people and release some really major (free) updates. Would probably go a long way toward getting some of that goodwill back.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
That's not good at all. One thing, even if it sounds minor, that really made me eager to try it out was the complete sensation of freedom that you control the ship as you liked. It's like playing with a Lego-ship, but every time you put it to the ground mommy or daddy needs to be there. =/
Atleast that's something that they are able to interact with their surroundings. I don't know what to make of this game anymore.
The scrapped minecraft like crafting element can still return without dramatically changing the existing stuff. there are a lot of rare alloys (Lemium, Terium, Magnox and so forth) that don't really seem to have a use yet aside from selling them.
In a future patch they could put such a system in using those materials (and a bunch of new ones). So both the blueprint and minecraft like materials system can co-exist.
In a future patch they could put such a system in using those materials (and a bunch of new ones). So both the blueprint and minecraft like materials system can co-exist.
I did the same thing last week. Didn't have an issue with chat support either. My refund was approved on the spot.
This would be nice. Seems like they do have some stuff planned for their elements.
Sony had to know the state of this game behind the scenes. That is probably why they did not say jack shit about it at E3. Not to mention how odd it was that everyone who had it pre-ordered digitally were given a refund, along with a notice to pre-order again if you still wanted the game. I only wish I would have heeded that red flag and took the chance to put my money elsewhere after Sony refunded me back like that.
Fascinating and sad.
Probably. It's absolutely mind boggling why people give that much of a shit over this game to start doxxing and death threats against anyone who maybe didn't like it that much, points out it's flaws, or compiles a list of pre-release vs. post-release comparisons from the developer's own interviews about what was misleading.
Witch hunt implies that people are persecuting Sean Murray and Hello Games unfairly for some ambiguous, unprovable reason. Meanwhile we are in a thread with hard, concrete facts listed out of all the false marketing, under delivery, and lies. It's less a witch hunt, and more consumer anger over a whole host of misleading sales tactics with zero comment by the product creator.
I know this comparison has been made in various ways in these threads, but I think it's most apt here. Replace HG with a big developer, like EA. If EA false marketed a final product on this scale, and gave zero comment about any of it for a week after release, no one would be using the term 'witch hunt'.
sssstententen
Member
Why is it sad that we as consumers ask for more transparency and less deception/broken promises?
Personally the saddest thing about this all is how far people will bend themselves backwards to defend the team.
It's perfectly acceptable to enjoy the game, you can still lash out against bad practices.
Absolutely, which is why it's dissapointing to see that they are still using screenshots like this to sell the game on their website:
All along i thought this just looked like a more colourful version of Elite
Having put in 30+ hours, I'd argue there's actually more to do than E
(which I also enjoy and have played a lot) just with a lot less depth. (NMS is a lot less fun after a bunch of hours but it's great to begin with imo.)Delicious Waffles
Member
As an outsider who has no interest in the game until it's cheap, it really is.
Didn't a very small group of people make this game? Based on the vastness of this game plus the release date looming, I'm not surprised a whole bunch of features didn't make it. Maybe it'll all be patched in down the line.
TheVoidDragon
Member
My point is that all 3 of those things you mentioned are extremely simple ideas without any depth to them. They're all things that are a big part of the game, but they're vague enough that even if they had been vastly simplified from what we actually got, you could stillsay the game "fulfills expectations" because what you were expecting is so basic and doesn't include any proper information about what it should be.
You could apply that sort of logic to pretty much any game and say the same thing as long as the genre doesn't change or something along those lines - Spore, for example. The basic idea of the game was what it said it would be - species creation, evolution, stages etc and that's what we got, so with that logic it still "fulfills expectations".
Patching it in later doesn't make it any better, though. It shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Same here. 'Absolute blast' definitely fades into 'a strange old time' after 20 hours or so, but I still enjoyed it and hopefully updates will help address some of the OP's booty.
Yeah this is some serious n4g happening here. Fascinating and embarrassing all at the same time. Can't wait for the next thread.
TheCanisDirus
Member
Absolutely, which is why it's dissapointing to see that they are still using screenshots like this to sell the game on their website:
Orrrrrr videos like this still used on their website "showing gameplay".... seriously?! Christ at least edit stuff like this or remove it HG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhSP82uhY4
Last Hearth
Member
It's not possible, there different star system are different boxes and you cannot fly from one to the other except with the warp mechanic.
It would be like trying to sail to the Skelige Islands from Novigrad with a boat in TW3.
Absolutely, which is why it's dissapointing to see that they are still using screenshots like this to sell the game on their website:
According to Polygon, that pic was 'taken' 6 months into the games development.
Fakeknowledge
Member
Bless you. I just did this and got the money back in my PSN wallet no problem. Shouts to Jonathan the PSN guy.
Feels good to have my money back off that charlaton.
Baleoce
Member
Spot on.
You can also apply the logic the other way for any game, though - that no game meets its 'true vision' or is 'fully realised'. Game development is complicated and it's an exercise in compromise. The discussion on those terms becomes semantic at some point by its very nature.
Remember that the vision for NMS didn't necessarily include super-depth. Sean's description of a huge universe that you can explore, with unique planets and animals to discover, has totally been captured (even if they are often stylistically samey). And that's the best part of the experience - the part that it absolutely delivered on (it's clear if you've played it, which I don't think you have) - flying seamlessly from planet to planet and checking out weird places and creatures, while it all looks like a '70s sci-fi book cover.
They totally nailed that, and when playing the game you feel it, even if the game gets increasingly dull to play hour-on-hour (and, of course, if lots of details are missing which were promised by HG).
Yeah, it would have been sort of OK if they said on launch "XYZ has been cut from the game, but we're going to patch it in".
But... they didn't. They didn't say nothin'.
Kaffeemann
Banned
TheCanisDirus
Member
That's what i thought. HUGE disappointment when you realize all you're exploring in NMS is the same playspace over an over after a pull of the slot machine handle. "Red grass, blue 4 leg animal, tentacles annnnnnnnd mushrooms!" Everything else is the same. Same limited structure set. Same relics/monoliths. Same set-up and arrangement of limited pieces etc.
I had a good time in the beginning but as soon as you put a few hours in and notice how shallow and small it all really is it's a dissapointment.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Implying a fan did it under what evidence?
TheCanisDirus
Member
Yup. These white knights have the shiniest fucking armor i've ever seen.
I just dont understand. Either they never followed the game's development, never saw the dozens of interviews, never heard the now sourced comments made by Sean himself or are even aware of the current pictures, descriptions and videos on the game's own website that all misrepresent a large number of features and things that simply aren't part of the game.
How they can defend that is simply beyond comprehension. Yes, im sure there are logical explanations for just about everything but without any sort of press release or blog update etc. people are left to assume whatever they want. I cant imagine any of this was done with mal intent on HG's part.