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Is there any new news after all these pages?

This is the king of D-Pads:

No mush, very tactile and clicky response. No stress on the thumb trying to do street fighter moves.

Here is a fun thing to do with those with Vita's. Flip it upside down and try to feel the controls, see how the placement of the analog sticks and buttons feel to get an idea of a Nintendo style layout (sticks above buttons). It feels surprisingly good!

Yes it's perfect

It's better, but the gap should still be smaller

It looks like 4 separate buttons but it's actually a single piece, also it's small enough to be almost entirely under the thumb making circular movements easier, again it's perfect.

 

[Roto Prime]

I dislike the Vita D pad, new 3DS one is way better, Marvel vs Capcom feels great! I hope the NX has a new 3DS Dpad.

 

[RavageDark]

Okay, here's the main thing that's bothering me about the whole breakable controller thing.

Are people expecting multiplayer to be totally online?

 

[maxcriden]

Okay, here's the main thing that's bothering me about the whole breakable controller thing.

Are people expecting multiplayer to be totally online?

This is Nintendo, so definitely not, no.

 

[Roto Prime]

Okay, here's the main thing that's bothering me about the whole breakable controller thing.

Are people expecting multiplayer to be totally online?

Local or bust!

 

[RavageDark]

So, basically, if a person wants to do local multiplayer with their friends/acquaintances/etc., they'd have to bring along their own NX?

 

[Oregano]

Okay, here's the main thing that's bothering me about the whole breakable controller thing.

Are people expecting multiplayer to be totally online?

Nope, I expect Nintendo to make a big point about social and local multiplayer on the go. That's what makes the system more than a "portable with tv out".

 

[Dark Cloud]

Okay, here's the main thing that's bothering me about the whole breakable controller thing.

Are people expecting multiplayer to be totally online?

All of Nintendo's games won't be online, but nobody is talking about how this might impact games knowing a system will automatically come with two controllers.

I know it probably won't mean much to have two controllers to devs, but maybe we'll see some more 2 player modes for games.

So, basically, if a person wants to do local multiplayer with their friends/acquaintances/etc., they'd have to bring along their own NX?

Wouldn't they just bring their controllers? It should be the same like any console before in which you just bring your controllers and probably sync it to the NX or dock.

 

[jmizzal]

If they release a version of 17, they're just fulfilling a contract and will pump out a barebones port with no intentions to ever make more no matter how it sells, since they essentially want it to die.

If they wait for 18, it means that they'll be giving it at least something of a shot and will continue if it sells enough.

They're going to do the former. It probably won't even have online.

Yea they will release Madden 17 at full price, and it will be on EA access for free on xbox one and half price every where else, and will complain about Madden on NX didnt sale well so they are ending support for sports games

 

[ckfy63a]

So...this 10do website turned out to be a hoax, meaning Sept. 6 is off the table? I still think, rumors aside, we could get an announcement that day, as there are only so many Tuesdays until TGS to make an announcement...

 

[Dr. Buni]

Are people expecting multiplayer to be totally online?

I wish. Or that online was the focus, but knowing Nintendo they will focus far too much on local play.

 

[RavageDark]

Wouldn't they just bring their controllers? It should be the same like any console before in which you just bring your controllers and probably sync it to the NX or dock.

Are you expecting the breakable controllers to be able to be used as a standalone?

Forgive me, I'm still trying to at least SEE how the NX, as slated in the rumor, is even feasible.

 

[MuchoMalo]

So, basically, if a person wants to do local multiplayer with their friends/acquaintances/etc., they'd have to bring along their own NX?

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

So...this 10do website turned out to be a hoax, meaning Sept. 6 is off the table? I still think, rumors aside, we could get an announcement that day, as there are only so many Tuesdays until TGS to make an announcement...

It's obvious that they're not going to make it before TGS. I think September as a whole is extremely unlikely at this point. They may even be trying to get some space from Sony, since it's rumored that they skipped E3 because they thought that both Neo and Scorpio would be announced there. I still think it's safest to just expect nothing until January.

 

[Skittzo0413]

All of Nintendo's games won't be online, but nobody is talking about how this might impact games knowing a system will automatically come with two controllers.

I know it probably won't mean much to have two controllers to devs, but maybe we'll see some more 2 player modes for games.



Wouldn't they just bring their controllers? It should be the same like any console before in which you just bring your controllers and probably sync it to the NX or dock.

Or alternatively, like with any console, you can buy extra controllers...

I think people are really overthinking this detachable controllers rumor. It's essentially giving you two wii motion + controllers, each with an analog stick/circle pad and shoulder button (and likely trigger) out of the box. You can them play single player games with one in each hand- whether or not the screen portion is docked. It's the exact same control scheme in both states of the hybrid, except you trade touch screen functionality for individual motion control functionality.

I'm sure some simpler games could be played with only a single controller or a sideways controller and allow for local multiplayer out of the box. Otherwise for local multiplayer you'll need to buy additional controllers (or bring over another NX console). It's a lot simpler that people seem to be making it.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Are you expecting the breakable controllers to be able to be used as a standalone?

Forgive me, I'm still trying to at least SEE how the NX, as slated in the rumor, is even feasible.

I'm guessing they'll sell these controllers individually for more people to buy. The way I look at it it's a Gamepad with two Wii remotes packed in. If you want to play 4-player Mario Party 11, then you get two more controllers.

Obviously, it's not a gamepad and two Wii remotes, but I was trying to pain an easier picture because when you take the controllers off of the NX screen and sit it into the dock, then the two controllers would have to sync to the NX to use them.

Or alternatively, like with any console, you can buy extra controllers...

I think people are really overthinking this detachable controllers rumor. It's essentially giving you two wii motion + controllers, each with an analog stick/circle pad and shoulder button (and likely trigger) out of the box. You can them play single player games with one in each hand- whether or not the screen portion is docked. It's the exact same control scheme in both states of the hybrid, except you trade touch screen functionality for individual motion control functionality.

I'm sure some simpler games could be played with only a single controller or a sideways controller and allow for local multiplayer out of the box. Otherwise for local multiplayer you'll need to buy additional controllers (or bring over another NX console). It's a lot simpler that people seem to be making it.

Yeah, pretty much what I said. Just look at it as a console that comes with two controllers and you just buy more lol.

 

[MCN]

I wish. Or that online was the focus, but knowing Nintendo they will focus far too much on local play.

Ugh, I fucking hate online. Like, literally loathe it. It's so asocial and impersonal. And don't give me that party chat shit, it's nothing compared to sitting in a room with other people being physically there. Any game that focusses on online is worse off for it.

 

[James Scott]

They have to release at least one version of Madden on NX, since they have NFL exclusive they must release it at least once on each platform, which is why 3DS and WiiU had Madden at launch

Rather they put Madden 17 or 18 on it is the question, would be dumb to put 17 on it since football season will be over when NX launches in March

I recall EA doing a good job on FIFA 3DS with exclusive modes. I think it would make a lot of sense to at least make a good one based on next year's version released simultaneously. If NX sells well they can build upon that version or just do legacy editions.

 

[Blackpuppy]

If there's one silver lining to the wiiu's failure, it's that they're sitting on 5 years of relatively low selling software to port. Splatoon, NSMBU, 3Dworld, Smash Bros...

I never got a WiiU but I would love to play some of those games I missed out on. I'm sure I'm not the only one...

 

[RavageDark]

I'm guessing they'll sell these controllers individually for more people to buy. The way I look at it it's a Gamepad with two Wii remotes packed in. If you want to play 4-player Mario Party 11, then you get two more controllers.

Obviously, it's not a gamepad and two Wii remotes, but I was trying to pain an easier picture because when you take the controllers off of the NX screen and sit it into the dock, then the two controllers would have to sync to the NX to use them.

To be honest with you, this is practically how the NX looks to me based on the rumors, which is why I'm pretty skeptical about it.

 

[NintendosBooger]

I wish. Or that online was the focus, but knowing Nintendo they will focus far too much on local play.

There's no such thing as putting too much focus on local co-op play as long as it doesn't compromise single player mode.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Ugh, I fucking hate online. Like, literally loathe it. It's so asocial and impersonal. And don't give me that party chat shit, it's nothing compared to sitting in a room with other people being physically there. Any game that focusses on online is worse off for it.

I understand what you mean. But I'm 37 and absolutely none of my friends Who live near me play videogames. So online is quite important.
And one does not exclude the other.

 

[Dark Cloud]

To be honest with you, this is practically how the NX looks to me based on the rumors, which is why I'm pretty skeptical about it.

Tbf we'll have to see the final product to know everything Nintendo is offering.

I would love if these rumors were wrong though- just to be totally surprised and caught off guard completely when they revealed the NX.

Ugh, I fucking hate online. Like, literally loathe it. It's so asocial and impersonal. And don't give me that party chat shit, it's nothing compared to sitting in a room with other people being physically there. Any game that focusses on online is worse off for it.

I see what you're saying, but for someone like me I have nobody to play with that's near me. Everybody is very far away and I need online to play with others. Gamers around me are Sony fans so, yeah...

 

[James Scott]

If there's one silver lining to the wiiu's failure, it's that they're sitting on 5 years of relatively low selling software to port. Splatoon, NSMBU, 3Dworld, Smash Bros...

I never got a WiiU but I would love to play some of those games I missed out on. I'm sure I'm not the only one...

Yeah, I think no matter what they would have to have dealt with poor marketing since the NoA marketing team left during the late Wii days. They also learned how to manage HD projects with a lot of HD assets and tech at their disposal so they should have a leg up heading into the new generation (kind of like Wii)
I imagine they also have a ton of Wii U games that are being reworked into NX games so they hopefully have quite a bit in the works.
Also, as you said, they have a lot of really high quality and polished software that didn't sell due to the lack of an installbase. Could help fill the usual early post launch droughts and build a library. Would love to see a Bayonetta 2 port, the original was really well received and a 60fps locked version and I think it should be able to sell a few extra copies, maybe bundled with Bayo 1 and W101

 

[Notor!ousG]

Been gone for the whole day.
Has the German rumor (6th September reveal) been debunked?

 

[ckfy63a]

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.



It's obvious that they're not going to make it before TGS. I think September as a whole is extremely unlikely at this point. They may even be trying to get some space from Sony, since it's rumored that they skipped E3 because they thought that both Neo and Scorpio would be announced there. I still think it's safest to just expect nothing until January.

I'm not sure why the bolded is so obvious, especially considering you posted in the WSJ thread saying that we might know Nintendo's plans by this Tuesday. That was just a couple days ago, what has changed?

I frankly don't think a direct is off the table yet. Just because 10do's rumor is a hoax, doesn't mean Nintendo is any less likely to say something on Tuesday (or any other day, for that matter).

 

[Owari]

This shit. This shit right here. I love it.

If the dpad works like this, would it be still ok?

It's splitted but not in an enoying way like Sony does and still could work like buttons.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Going to fire up Photoshop and see what I can accomplish here.

 

[James Scott]

I'm not sure why the bolded is so obvious, especially considering you posted in the WSJ thread saying that we might know Nintendo's plans by this Tuesday. That was just a couple days ago, what has changed?

I frankly don't think a direct is off the table yet. Just because 10do's rumor is a hoax, doesn't mean Nintendo is any less likely to say something on Tuesday (or any other day, for that matter).

Hearing about their plans on Tuesday doesn't give them a lot of time to have a reveal by the 15th, when TGS begins.
I think it's likely for them to announce their plans next week and have an event on the 22-25th

 

[ozfunghi]

I think the secret to making a good enough Dpad that can also function as 4 individual facebuttons, is the angle in which the button input gets pressed down. Especially for the Dpad behaviour.

Because even though these 4 inputs need to be "detached" from one and other, when used as buttons (in order to push multiple buttons simultaniously), the feeling of pressing a Dpad input, is completely different. Because your thumb is always moving from the inside out. See my drawing:

This way, when used as a Dpad, it will still behave more like a Dpad, because it will "rock" according to the same angle as a regular Dpad.

 

[RavageDark]

Tbf we'll have to see the final product to know everything Nintendo is offering.

I would love if these rumors were wrong though- just to be totally surprised and caught off guard completely when they revealed the NX.

That's what I'm thinking, because the rumors are practically saying that the NX is the Wii U 2.0.

 

[Gator86]

Been gone for the whole day.
Has the German rumor (6th September reveal) been debunked?

Revealing the NX less than 24 hours before losing all attention thanks to the Neo and iPhones sounds pretty Nintendo.

 

[MCN]

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

How ironic.

 

[Neoxon]

That's what I'm thinking, because the rumors are practically saying that the NX is the Wii U 2.0.

It's a natural evolution of the Wii U, & almost every major news site is backing the report up.

 

[Raiden1018]

Been gone for the whole day.
Has the German rumor (6th September reveal) been debunked?

Nope. And I'm excite

 

[slash3584]

Nope. And I'm excite

I thought it was?

Wasn't it just a prank by that german site?

 

[jblank83]

I think the secret to making a good enough Dpad that can also function as 4 individual facebuttons, is the angle in which the button input gets pressed down. Especially for the Dpad behaviour.

Because even though these 4 inputs need to be "detached" from one and other, when used as buttons (in order to push multiple buttons simultaniously), the feeling of pressing a Dpad input, is completely different. Because your thumb is always moving from the inside out. See my drawing:

This way, when used as a Dpad, it will still behave more like a Dpad, because it will "rock" according to the same angle as a regular Dpad.

Exactly exactly exactly

This is why the dpad is so superior. Imagine that tactile feedback in a circular 360 degrees. That amount of information is what makes it a valuable control input.

 

[Malus]

It's obvious that they're not going to make it before TGS. I think September as a whole is extremely unlikely at this point. They may even be trying to get some space from Sony, since it's rumored that they skipped E3 because they thought that both Neo and Scorpio would be announced there. I still think it's safest to just expect nothing until January.

I mean for all these years Nintendo has been making their big announcements literally within days of big Sony/Microsoft conferences at E3. I don't see why they'd let the other companies dictate what they do to such a degree.

I'm still expecting it this year, considering Nintendo of Canada said rather explicitly that they'd reveal it this fall, and Emily has put the wet blanket on my worries of a delay. For the time being, at least.

I thought it was?

Wasn't it just a prank by that german site?

Yes it was.

But on the bright side, I'm sure whatever joke video they got planned will be absolutely hilarious.

 

[Calm Mind]

It's a natural evolution of the Wii U, & almost every major news site is backing the report up.

All the more reason to question them. They are not exactly known for their journalism skills but only their ability to jump on whatever is trending atm and repost for clicks. I don't trust any of the information that has pervaded these threads and that goes double for the supposed leakers or Bish approved GAF members. Everything here is conjecture until Nintendo makes it official regardless of how many threads, reports or Twitter DM's they have on the contrary.

 

[Notor!ousG]

I thought it was?

Wasn't it just a prank by that german site?

Y'all got me confused.
It was a hoax then?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I mean for all these years Nintendo has been making their big announcements literally within days of big Sony/Microsoft conferences at E3. I don't see why they'd let the other companies dictate what they do to such a degree.

I'm still expecting it this year, considering Nintendo of Canada said rather explicitly that they'd reveal it this fall, and Emily has put the wet blanket on my worries of a delay. For the time being, at least.

It's MuchoMalo, he's negatively delusional.
The NX will be revealed this year.

 

[James Scott]

All the more reason to question them. They are not exactly known for their journalism skills but only their ability to jump on whatever is trending atm and repost for clicks. I don't trust any of the information that has pervaded these threads and that goes double for the supposed leakers or Bish approved GAF members. Everything here is conjecture until Nintendo makes it official regardless of how many threads, reports or Twitter DM's they have on the contrary.

This is a weird stance I've been seeing. Almost as we didn't have a year where almost everything Nintendo leaked ahead of time.

 

[RavageDark]

It's a natural evolution of the Wii U, & almost every major news site is backing the report up.

But that pretty much flies in the face of Nintendo saying that it won't be a successor to the Wii U.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.



It's obvious that they're not going to make it before TGS. I think September as a whole is extremely unlikely at this point. They may even be trying to get some space from Sony, since it's rumored that they skipped E3 because they thought that both Neo and Scorpio would be announced there. I still think it's safest to just expect nothing until January.

Lmao you're too hilarious. Are you doing this on purpose? You just told him you don't know how he came to that conclusion and then you turn around and come to a conclusion which has me questioning you how you came to that conclusion?!

 

[Clessidor]

Y'all got me confused.
It was a hoax then?

Yes a hoax. Or actualy it's meant as a parody, I think They made another news today, which basicly confirms that they are just choking. The problem was, that their first news missed the pull out the right tonality which confused even some Germans including myself. Kudos to Jethro for pointing out yesterday.

 

[Malus]

It's MuchoMalo, he's negatively delusional.
The NX will be revealed this year.

I appreciate his perspective at least. He was one of the only people saying NX would be weaker than Xbone when Emily reported the "closer to xbone than ps4" comment.

 

[Rubixcuba]

Dawn of a new week! Heeeeere we go!

 

[Refreshment.01]

I just did a few measurements experiments based on the Gamepad's screen. I think that Nintendo will actually want to keep the bezel as thin as possible. The reports that there isn't a camera on the main unit may lend credence to this. Also, one of the main benefits of Samsung's free form display is an extremely thin bezel. Perhaps Nintendo ditched the elliptical-shaped screen, but still heard the criticisms of the Gamepad's ridiculous bezels and empty space.

All this in mind, I'm thinking slightly shorter than your suggestion. 3.5". This is about the height of a bezel-free Gamepad screen and also about the height of the 3DS XL bottom. So it would actually be workable as a portable at least as much as that device.

This is precisely why i clearly said: "4'' give or take". i though about it some time ago but i remember that if designing the controllers centering around an almost bezel less 6.2" screen the lenght of the halfs would amount to something like 3.66". Since there's no way to asure Nintendo would go with something like Sharp's Free Form Display, 4'' is a safe estimate for a less costly and more conventional LCD.

I think that keeping the controller attachments at that short length would help alleviate that uncomfortable amount of empty space between the circle pads and buttons/dpad that you reference. The other thing is that I think they could leave some empty space at the bottom (right in horizontal mode) and still have it be comfortable. I am testing this hypothesis on the Wii Remote which has space beneath the "2" button comparable to what I'm thinking. Personally, I can use the Wii Remote comfortably this way. In fact, I even find it playable with a Motion Plus attached, but that's a bit extreme.

I agree that it would be worth it. The other thing they could do is one long paddle, but with different switches on the circuit board inside that pick up whether you are pressing on the top or bottom. With a shorter controller, these would be reachable by at least the ring finger and pinky even when held vertically.

The other interesting thing about these 3.5" controllers is that they might even be able to attach long ways. That would give you a single controller about the length of a Wii Remote able to be used horizontally or vertically. They wouldn't even need to connect physically, but there could be a silicon or plastic shell to hold them next to each other.

i made some mock ups even previous to all this NX rumors that have incorporated those ideas. They work as both a traditional 2 handed control and as Free Degrees of Freedom controller. Although they are centered around simplifying the interface and making it more natural and intutive. On the other hand Nintendo seems to be focusing in keeping their traditional inputs while accomodating games through out generations of Nintendo hardware from NES to Wii U.

Here's one example:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=475774&page=100000

Interesting enough is a 3.66" in size.

I definitely think that two shoulder buttons would come in handy for games that only use the center NX unit. With the width of the controllers around 1.25", they would be nearly the same width as the Wii Remote and sides of the 3DS XL. I'd imagine these shoulder buttons would be just as reachable as ZL and ZR on a new 3DS.They'd be a bit further in than the new3DS ZL/ZR, but still reachable.

Two shoulder buttons coupled with a multi touch screen would enhance the interactivity of mobile games without complicating the user interface, ending up in deeper and better controlling games for this sector.

There's the added benefit of keeping a more or less "robust" input system when the controllers are detached while making the console more portable and easier to carry around.

Not to mention that is not coincidence that the 2 more succesful Nintendo consoles with the mainstream audience, the NES and Wii, have implemented 2 main action buttons as a control method. This seems to be the sweet spot of button complexity that the general public is willing to handle.

And even for a more seasoned player, 2 physical shoulder buttons in "tablet mode" would complement rather well various thumb operated virtual buttons.

Of course, we should also wonder if there are going to be optical sensors on the controllers. Digitimes, if their report is worth anything, has repeatedly insisted that PixArt have been sourced as a supplier for something.

If PixArt involvement is true, it could only mean good things for the capabilities of these controllers. Since the company specializes in image sensors like the Wii Remote IRC, either something like using those for tracking button presses, gesture recognition or a more robust spatial orientation would be in the cards.

Image Sensors was the thing that triggered this interchange in the first place.

 

[NateDrake]

All the more reason to question them. They are not exactly known for their journalism skills but only their ability to jump on whatever is trending atm and repost for clicks. I don't trust any of the information that has pervaded these threads and that goes double for the supposed leakers or Bish approved GAF members. Everything here is conjecture until Nintendo makes it official regardless of how many threads, reports or Twitter DM's they have on the contrary.

Are you implying that the WSJ, EG, and Let's Play Video Games are just leeching from each other for clicks?

When sites reported on Neo and Scorpio ahead of the reveal, people trusted those reports, but now some of those very same sites are doubted when it comes to Nintendo. I don't understand how this line of logic works.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I appreciate his perspective at least. He was one of the only people saying NX would be weaker than Xbone when Emily reported the "closer to xbone than ps4" comment.

Well, he's not ALWAYS crazy but it's not in his DNA to stay consistently reasonable.

 

[Milly Osworth]

Time to lock this up again until actual news 🤐

 

[Malus]

Yes a hoax. Or actualy it's meant as a parody, I think They made another news today, which basicly confirms that they are just choking. The problem was, that their first news missed the pull out the right tonality which confused even some Germans including myself. Kudos to Jethro for pointing out yesterday.

More like tone deaf. Their original post straight up said news was coming. They must not care much about their reputation. It's an April Fools joke without the april fools.

Time to lock this up again until actual news ��

We're having fun in here gosh darnit.