Art Vandilay
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Yeah, dynamic metadata is a big concern for me.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Yeah, dynamic metadata is a big concern for me.
Robobandit
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Game mode calibration is much more limited vs the ISF modes - ISF Expert (Light Room) and ISF Expert (Dark Room). This is just in general, not only when set to PC input type.
There are fewer settings available under advanced controls and picture options when you're in PC mode.
You'll be missing Dynamic Contrast, Dynamic Color, Super Resolution, and Preferred Color from advanced controls
You'll be missing Noise Reduction, and MPEG Noise Reduction from picture options. You will gain "Auto" black level in PC mode vs just "high or low" when you're not in PC mode
JudgmentJay
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Most of those settings sound like stuff that should be turned off in a proper calibration anyway. What about color management controls? On my current TV, the JS9500, the only thing you lose in game mode is the 10-point white balance, so you're still able to get pretty close to what you get in CAL-Day/Night. Hoping that's the same for the OLEDs in the event I decide to pick one up.
Robobandit
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At least in the user menu, there are no color settings at all for individual colors or white balance in game mode. This is true even when you're not using PC input. Only the general "Color" and "Tint" sliders are available, as well as color temperature. If you're not in PC mode, "Preferred Color" becomes available in game mode, which lets you change skin, grass and sky color.
If you're watching content, or something there's nothing stopping you from switching to one of the ISF modes while you're on the PC input.
JudgmentJay
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Oof, that stinks. Yeah, I'm only thinking about gaming... obviously I'll get a good day/night calibration in the ISF modes.
Is 10bit really needed?
The Samsung KU7000 is 8bit with Wide Color Gamut
Quoting Rtings
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000
I have a Panasonic ST60 and image retention can be a problem if you don't know how to avoid it or simply don't notice it until it's too late.
For me personally the only risk factors are TV channel watermarks during sports broadcasting and staying the in the ps4/ps4 UI too long.
Still it's such an awesome TV. Providing you know to not to leave bright static images on screen for long periods of time, you're going to be fine.
I don't think I'll part with my Panny until I eventually get an OLED.
For me personally the only risk factors are TV channel watermarks during sports broadcasting and staying the in the ps4/ps4 UI too long.
Still it's such an awesome TV. Providing you know to not to leave bright static images on screen for long periods of time, you're going to be fine.
I don't think I'll part with my Panny until I eventually get an OLED.
Robobandit
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Personally I'm using it as a PC monitor and I've been able to get the display looking how I like it to, but I don't generally calibrate my monitors outside of that windows utility.
I don't do professional color work and games don't follow a color standard.. so it just hasn't bothered me in the slightest.
To each their own, though!
OG_Original Gamer
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You will get clipping white. Less shades of gray. A little over 700 shades to be a little specific.
SuperEpicMan
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Ideally want to spend less than £1000 for a 55 inch screen. I'm not sure if we can get Vizio in the UK.
Cc23830
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I need help.
Way over my head with this tv talk.
Basically im after a 4k tv, im guessing hdr ?? As thats all kind of hearing but am on a budget as i need to reserve 499 incase the Neo is released this year .
I seen this tv for £589.
Samsung UE50KU6000 50" Smart 4K Ultra HD with HDR TV - Black
But there are so many buzz words in that title i dont know if i would be wasting my money. Somebody please help this useless old man.
Way over my head with this tv talk.
Basically im after a 4k tv, im guessing hdr ?? As thats all kind of hearing but am on a budget as i need to reserve 499 incase the Neo is released this year .
I seen this tv for £589.
Samsung UE50KU6000 50" Smart 4K Ultra HD with HDR TV - Black
But there are so many buzz words in that title i dont know if i would be wasting my money. Somebody please help this useless old man.
Just got this
I got the b6 just over a week ago. So glorious. Enjoy it!
SuperEpicMan
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I was looking into to buying the higher model of this, but have since been put off for now. These posts were in relation to this model (KU6670).
Cc23830
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SuperEpicMan
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No problem
I feel like I have been looking for a new TV for ages, and every time I get close to deciding on one, I end up finding some reason not to get it. I might just wait till Black Friday or something.
Cc23830
Member
No problem
I feel like I have been looking for a new TV for ages, and every time I get close to deciding on one, I end up finding some reason not to get it. I might just wait till Black Friday or something.
Yeh thats my thinking. My current plasma keeps turning itself off unfortunately,im lost when buying tvs, looking at a panasonic dx750 now. But who knows the horror stories i will find.
If you're coming from plasma I wouldn't even consider an LCD.
On my 910V remote the Info button is under the 9, it should be the same.
Anyway give us some impressions after you try it out for a bit. Enjoy
Cc23830
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Could you elaborate please Dark10x?
This is what i own currently.
http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-50PB5600
Plasma offers better picture? Honestly when it comes to tvs my knowledge is zero. Sorry in advance
Agreed, I've got a Panasonic Plasma (GT50) at home and use LCD's at work - and whilst LCD's have massively improved over recent years they're still deficient in certain areas, which stick out like a sore thumb when you're used to Plasma.
I would only ever consider upgrading to an OLED, which I plan to do next year
Hi Dark10x,
I owned a Pioneer 8 gen plasma for 5 years, and after that i upgraded to a Panasonic 55 inch VT60 plasma, which after 1 and half year broke, even though the whole panel was replaced with a new one and fans where replaced/fan fix was applied aswell.
I took the money i got back from insurance/Panasonic and bought a 4k Sony LCD, specifically the 65X9005B. So i gained panel size 10 inches, 4k resolution, incredible good built in speakers (sold my whole home cinema sound setup), and this Sony is dead silent, no buzzing.
The thing i "lost" doing this trade was apparantley the plasma technology, which i dont really miss. Yes, viewing angles are of course much better on a plasma/oled, and blacks are supposed to be much better on those kind of panels aswell.
However, in real world use i find im very satisfied with what i have. Blacks are truly black on my tv. Motion is great, gaming is great, and most importantly i did not pay a fortune for this upgrade.
Oled really needs to come down a LOT in price where i live before i would ever consider purchasing in that technology. A friend of mine bought the EF9500 last year and i had the opportunity to test it out with a few reference blu rays.
Sure the picture was probably the best iv ever seen from a tv, (yep better that my Sony) BUT the tv had all the usual problems mention in the owners thread on various hi-fi forums. This oled tv also costed almost the double of what a new top of the line lcd costed at that time where i live.My friend returned the tv before the 30 days-open purchase warranty that the store offered, he just felt that the investment wasent worth it.
At the end of the day for me, its all about what i get for the actual price i pay.
Currently i do not feel the price that a oled costs is justified against what i can get in terms of top of the line lcd from any of the big players. I just dont see the value and in real world use i dont think its worth it.
8k panels will hit around 2020 (?),http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1470142459 so if i will upgrade from my current 4k Sony i want bigger size (75), combined with overall improvements i feel is really noticable in real world usage, combined with a really good price.
If oled technology can offer that im all onboard the train.
Just my two cents.
Regarding 8K panels...will 99.999999% of people even be able to notice a difference between 4K at 6-10 feet away on a 55"+ TV? I can't imagine there being that much of a noticeable difference until you get to massive sizes or you're sitting with your nose touching the screen.
f@luS
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seriously at 2meters from my 65 I see a difference mostly from oled and HDR a bit for resolution. 8k I don't thjnk
All you arguments are certainly fair which leads me to believe that it comes down to the individual. There are simply aspects inherent to LCD technology which I just don't like. Getting dark blacks on an LCD requires local dimming, for instance, and currently that only exists in zones leading to artefacts which I find bothersome. I don't really like the motion handling either (not that OLED is amazing here right now, unfortunately, but it has much more potential to improve in that area if sample and hold is left behind).
...but, it's true, not everyone is going to be as picky as I am. The issues I have with LCD probably won't bother the majority of people.
OLED is becoming more affordable, though. If you settle for 1080p, you could get the last gen 1080p OLED for ~$1000 (a little more in Euros, of course, as I know all too well). Sure, the higher end models are not really cheap, but I do think it's worth it...just perhaps not for everyone.
It kinda depends on what you're looking for. In some ways, even CRTs still beat out every other display on the market...but those pros don't necessarily outweigh its cons.
For me, plasmas handle motion better than LCDs. Now, a PC monitor with a high refresh rate using strobing? That can provide amazing motion...but you won't get that on a TV. Plasmas are not sample and hold displays and, as such, you can perceive a very slight flicker at 60hz which also translates to more lines of resolution in motion.
Then there is the black level issue - again, the only solution right now to deep blacks on LCD is local dimming which splits the backlight up into independent zones which can be adjusted dynamically. It's the dynamic nature of this that I don't care for as it doesn't produce results that are 100% consistent across the board. Then, if you look back at PC monitors, you won't find this feature at all leaving all PC monitors with bright, glowy backlights. Bleh
Then you have viewing angles, which have improved, but still aren't quite perfect.
On the flip-side, LCDs are much brighter than plasmas, which has its benefits (especially for HDR)
Also, not all plasmas are created equal. I came from a Pioneer Elite Kuro 9G - which still produces an amazing image. A low to mid-range plasma, though? Maybe not as impressive. Panasonic managed to pull off some dark blacks in the later years but their slightly older plasmas were nowhere near Kuro level.
Agreed, I've got a Panasonic Plasma (GT50) at home and use LCD's at work - and whilst LCD's have massively improved over recent years they're still deficient in certain areas, which stick out like a sore thumb when you're used to Plasma.
I would only ever consider upgrading to an OLED, which I plan to do next year
*high five*
GT50 owner, too.
no chance in hell i'm switching to anything but an OLED when they drop in price a bit more (and hopefully have less input latency)
f@luS
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On Netflix it just bring the Netflix menu not the tv oneOn my 910V remote the Info button is under the 9, it should be the same.
Anyway give us some impressions after you try it out for a bit. Enjoy
TLZ
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That's what I always thought until I got my KS9500. Absolutely love it!
I kept calibrating it for days and got a bit OCD trying different calibrations, i.e. rtings, then a dvd etc, then got frustrated and just calibrated to what my eyes are comfortable with.
EDIT: Oh and OLEDs are still expensive here. Plus input lag is almost 2-3x the KS9500.
DJ Lushious
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Since everyone's ganging up on you... ;-)
I used to feel that way, too. I've had (still do) a Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111fd for 8 years. I then got the Vizio P65-C1 and figured I'd test run it and, if I didn't like it, I'd take it back. Well, I still have it! Picture quality-wise, I think the Vizio edges out the Pioneer, if not for the dithering on the Pioneer. The Pioneer handles motion better, but black-frame insertion has been a great solution for using while gaming for me.
Like you said above, though, everyone has their individual tastes and where they draw their lines.
2017 seems like year of OLED, I imagine they'll crush everything except blacks once they drop below $2K, probably late 2017.
I couldn't wait that long. I've been waiting for years already, now that 980TI's have dropped to $300, I'll grab another and jump in now with the 65" KS8000, a 55" OLED may drop down to it's price but it's going to be a while until a high end 65" OLED retails for the KS8000's going price.
I couldn't wait that long. I've been waiting for years already, now that 980TI's have dropped to $300, I'll grab another and jump in now with the 65" KS8000, a 55" OLED may drop down to it's price but it's going to be a while until a high end 65" OLED retails for the KS8000's going price.
29.6ms on the EC930V and EG910V on the latest fw actually. Blackvette94 measured it.
Not that 33ms is bad by any means though.
To be fair, all of the measurements taken have been performed using the same device (the Bodnar one) by different people and that device only outputs 1080p. I have a suspicion based on testing that input latency is slightly increased when scaling a 1080p source versus using a native 4K source. I don't have a scientific method for testing this, however.
What I DO know is that, if this pans out, it could be great when the PS4 Neo hits and with the Xbox One-S (and Scorpio). With those consoles able to scale to 4K internally without additional lag, it could make console gaming more responsive on these TVs *IF* they are actually faster when handling native 4K material.
I can say that there is a different in input latency between 480p, 720p, and 1080p scaled modes - 1080p is faster than 720p but 480p is faster than 720p as well. 4K feels slightly faster than all of them but, again, I don't have a good way to test. Very annoying.
Congrats! Please do, and let us know
Snapped a real quick pic last night with my phone. 1080p Blu-Ray playing on a standard Xbox One.
I need to get some 4k content!
I would love to join the OLED crowd, but yeah, the prices - I don't want my next big TV purchase to be under 70 inches, and since the only model that's over 65" is the most expensive thing LG has to offer (from the OLED range anyway). Hopefully the mid-to-high tier models will offer more options in terms of size in the future.
My next TV will be over 65" as well, so yeah, an OLED (or better) display that doesn't cost a bajillion dollars would be great.
65" at first was Hugh Mungus but now that I've gotten used to the size I could do with something bigger in the future.
finalflame
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Right?! My 65" KS8000 looked huge just a month ago. Now that I've been sitting in front of it for a while, it just looks average. I still love it, but man, it's weird how you can truly never go down in size with TVs.
George Claw M.D.
Member
This is exactly the decision I just made. I was 90% ready to go ahead with a 65" C6 purchase, but when I started looking up prices, I discovered that prices on 2016 LG OLEDs have been fluctuating quite a bit recently, with some being able to buy a 65" B6 for as little as $3000 at legit retailers. I'm sure prices will stabilize downward in the coming months.
In the meantime I just picked-up a 65" KS800D from Costco for $1780. I'm expecting prices to drop on the C6 within Costco's 90-day return period. Then I have a few options,
1) Return the Samsung and get the C6.
2) Move the Samsung to another room and keep both.
3) Wait for 2017 OLEDs, and move the Samsung then.
If the C6 drops to at least $3000, then option 2 effectively nets me the 65" KS800D for only $800. And the secondary room would primarily be a bright viewing room, so the Samsung shouldn't suffer much in comparison to an OLED in that room.
Since my Kuro died, my only active TV is a 27" Sony Wega, so I definitely needed to get something for now.
Oh, and sidenote about Costco. You can buy the $99 Squaretrade 3yr warranty even for displays that you bought outside of Costco. I will do this when I buy an OLED since Costco doesn't sell those. Also, you can get a refund on that warranty at any time before it expires, if you never use it. So no worries over buying a warranty you may never need.
Art Vandilay
Member
So you're saying I could sit on the warranty for 2 years and 11 months, e.g., and still get a refund if I never needed to use it? That doesn't seem right.
I think OLED is still the best tech out there but I think waiting for the price to drop on 2016 versions would be prudent.
I'm not 100% sure but I think the 2016 LG oleds have the lowest input lag when displaying HDR content.
GitarooMan
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So below the OLEDs, is the Samsung KS8000 a good choice for gaming using HDR? I read something that basically said you could use game mode and HDR together which seems not to be the case on all the 4k/HDR TVs.
According to Rtings in relating the LG OLED B6 to the Samsung KS8000:
"The KS8000 is a great overall TV. It provides deep (but not perfect) blacks and an impressive picture quality when viewed from the front, but for home theatre viewing it just can't beat dark scene performance of an OLED TV. For those who don't quite have the budget for an OLED the Samsung KS8000 is our next recommendation. "