BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yes I agree. But I mean the creators actually telegraphed it, finally.
Final Fantasy XV TGS 2016 Trailer
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stargateheaven
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There are half a dozen versions/builds of this scene in different trailers and gameplay videos. Each time it's different. Not just time of day, but lighting quality, texture quality, LOD quality. I can't really fathom how often they have to rework that scene. Who knows how it will look on game release.
I also don't understand why they change the Duscae region all the time. More grass, fewer grass, more grass again, other grass, dark green grass, light green grass, dark and light green grass mixed (in Episode Duscae 2.0). No shrubs, shrubs, other shrubs, bigger shrubs, light green trees, dark green trees... Even rock placement differs from build to build. Why would you move rocks? XD
Who knows how often previous FF's were changed. We seldom get such early footage of FF games before Versus was a thing. We'd get a trailer or 2 a few weeks before release with glimpses of gameplay but never anything like this.
Although you're right that this game seems all over the place, plants and rocks moving, lighting changes, LOD changes. It's so close to release, they really need to decide on something!
Monochromaticx
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That was a great trailer. looking forward to the final product.
Do you guys thing Ardyn was also the one that mistreated Luna when she was a child (Dawn trailer)?
He might have abused her all this time since Niflheim took over Tenebrae.
That's an interesting thought... the hair in his shadow seems a bit similar. I don't think it's him, though. Ardyn doesn't seem like the armor-wearing type.
I think it's the guy in the master version footage from Gamescom.
https://youtu.be/U0gvlKB8Npg?t=39m56s
Where the hell'd that dude come from? lol, he seems too young looking for it to be him, the uniform is very similar though.
Maybe Ardyn rise though the ranks over to years to where he is now.
To solider to the newest emperor.
Lol what? Cid didn't mean it in the literal sense...
names2hard4you
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Mediking
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21 Jump Street is such a great movie.
That's not enough proof.
But yeah, I can see them doing time skips, or forcing you to rest at an inn before certain CSs to make sure the setting looks in a specific way.
Btw, I wonder if CGs were dropped in favor of that, as well as being able to show Noctis and co. with whatever it is they are wearing at the time.
Tabata: How many half-naked Shiva's can we fit in one scene?
Staff: At least 3 or 4.
Tabata: MORE!
I mean, we've gotten confirmation from several sources just from video at this point.
Gamespot even said that they the same cutscene during the day and the other at night.
It just seems like an obvious thing that it wasn't discussed much.
No, Loki seems already pretty young there and one of the lower ranking Niflheim army guys. Also he's a side character. I don't think they would give him an as important role as being Luna's abuser.
Yeah, sounds more likely.
Here's an image that shows the guy also has darker hair:
Yautja_Warrior
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I was a little worried about FF15 but the latest footage and this new trailer has got me really looking forward to it now.
The game is looking pretty epic, hopefully all this time waiting will be worth it in the end, its been far to long since we had a really great FF game.
The game is looking pretty epic, hopefully all this time waiting will be worth it in the end, its been far to long since we had a really great FF game.
DarkLordMalik
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The shadowy figure looks to have straight hair in this flashback while Ardyn has curly hair, so I don't think it is him.
Tabata: How many half-naked Shiva's can we fit in one scene?
Staff: At least 3 or 4.
Tabata: MORE!
Good ol' Tabby
Tabby said:
City of Dis
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Man was that 4chan on the money or what
Please, i made my point clear in the subsequent post, you can criticize Tabata's work till you're blue in the face, possibly judging the actual game rather than promo material, but that's beside the point.
My point is that until the comparison is with the imaginary game people are building in their heads, that did not came out for 10 years (whether it was Nomura starting with over ambition or not) it's always going to be an unfair, unrealistic and ultimately pointless comparison.
I also didn't call Nomura incompetent, please don't put words into my mouth, but i also don't buy the martyr figure of the guy who had his game destroyed by Tabata.
Tabata likely did what he could to deliver a working game on time, a game that had become an outright farce (much like the Last Guardian, Duke Nukem Forever and so on) due to the ridiculous development time.
This doesn't shield him from any and all criticism of course, but it does call for some context when shitting on the changes he dared to do on Nomura's work.
Also, i hear Type0 isn't very good at all, so it's not like i'm pretending he has an unassailable curriculum.
DarkLordMalik
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All rumors so far have several things wrong mixed with a bunch of correct info. It is highly unlikely that the dude had access to the complete story information and it is not the beginning and end, but the overall journey that matters here.
The hair seems just shorter. Shorter hair often happens to be less curly. I think whoever abused her as a child is an important character and not a random soldier. And there are not many other important male characters that would fit the role. Oh, Glauca could be another possibility!
Though I still think it makes more sense that it is Ardyn. There's a reason they showed us these two scenes of someone abusing Luna back then and now again.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Nah. Prompto is the commoner and foreign-looking type. It'd be too obvious.
names2hard4you
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Have you watched Brotherhood?
No, Loki seems already pretty young there and one of the lower ranking Niflheim army guys. Also he's a side character. I don't think they would give him an as important role as being Luna's abuser.
Yeah, sounds more likely.
Here's an image that shows the guy also has darker hair:
This newspaper photo in Kingsglaive certainly reminded me of Luna's abuser. Standing by Aldercapt's side, might have been his son perhaps?
DarkLordMalik
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Good catch. It looks to be this guy.This newspaper photo in Kingsglaive certainly reminded me of Luna's abuser. Standing by Aldercapt's side, might have been his son perhaps?
We all see Ardyn as the main villain but see Tabby make this mysterious character the final villain as the party teams up with Luna to defeat him.
ArchedThunder
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There is some very apparent aliasing in certain parts of the trailer, it has me hopeful that this is the regular PS4 version.
No one is boiling it down. People literally posted just to point out how that scene adds to the fact that Luna is a weak character narrative and people are pointing that out. Do you think if you repeat something often enough, it becomes true?
One problem is the main character is male. What we've seen in all footage and movie is that she doesn't even really care so much of Noctis as much as his role. This is an inherent issue with having a male main character who's goal is to save the world. IMO she actually shows no romantic interest in Noctis from the footage I've seen but maybe I missed some. Isn't the fact that she's a seer or whatever term they specifically use means that she's just not a generic princess? (and and another problem is that she's not Stella)
Read above.
Maybe it's because it was 6am and some people can't reply at anytime to defend their viewpoint. Which btw, I already pointed this out before this person? It goes both ways. There are a few posters (mainly the ones I'm quoting) who will push their narrative and others that will push their's. I will push mine or just leave the thread which others have already done or have expressed how these posts made them feel about these threads. Because honestly, these posts are just a waste of time so why bother taking time to write them?
Well that could be considered a character flaw. Not being personable enough. In Kingsglaive she cares so much about her "duty" instead of caring about individuals. You can keep saying she was in constant damsel in distress tropes and I'll keep disagreeing. I've posted why before but it was ignored then or just dismissed (mostly just ignored as no one quoted/responded to me).
The fact is, some of you are in a mindset that you will hate Luna's character no matter what, or at least it appears that way from the numerous posts I read. A guilty until proven innocent mindset, but even without the "until proven innocent" part. I will be in the innocent until proven guilty camp myself. After actually playing the game, if she is indeed a weak female character I'll tell you all you were right (likely for different reasons). Some of this also seems as if your expectations are too high so if they are not reach then she is automatically pathetically weak. If it is so much of an issue DO NOT SUPPORT this game by buying it. Let them have terrible sales and maybe they'll get the hint they're doing something wrong. Or maybe it isn't a big enough issue to prevent you from playing it and there are also other methods without supporting them like secondhand copies I guess.
Also by me posting this post I guess am adding more fuel to the fire of posts I don't want to see in every FFXV thread (at least until you fucking play the game first). Maybe I'm a masochist or maybe I'm just overthinking things.
EDIT: And now I've just noticed there's a thread for this after posting this.
Just ignore Inuhanyou when he talks about Tabata vs Nomura, he already had this conversation about 100 times.
The Emperor
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I think one thing this game is bringing for me, that for me has sorely been lacking in most AAA RPG's is a true sense of adventure and wonder.
The world looks diverse, nice looking...yet not overwhelming in what I may need to do in it. I can just sit in a car and watch it go by...or I can explore further on chocobo. Then I can fly later on. I like that I don't have to roam around forever.
For some reason knowing this is designed to be like an old FF world map with a mostly sparse open world with points of interest that are obvious makes me more excited.
The design of the monsters is the best I've seen in forever. I want to explore to see these monsters.
For me less is more...I hope XV won't overwhelm me with fest quest #1029 in this open world.
What killed Dragon Age: Inquisitions world for me was the pure tedium. On paper they designed a brilliant world...with so many locales. But the copy paste nature of the quests, and lack of quality of content made it a chore and just boring.
The other thing this game is giving me that again I have been sorely missing is...the setting. I am bored of medieval settings or purely real world settings. Very few games successfully pull of sci fi, steampunk or cyberpunk settings. This game seems to have small elements of each put into a real world setting. It is really looking unique.
The world looks diverse, nice looking...yet not overwhelming in what I may need to do in it. I can just sit in a car and watch it go by...or I can explore further on chocobo. Then I can fly later on. I like that I don't have to roam around forever.
For some reason knowing this is designed to be like an old FF world map with a mostly sparse open world with points of interest that are obvious makes me more excited.
The design of the monsters is the best I've seen in forever. I want to explore to see these monsters.
For me less is more...I hope XV won't overwhelm me with fest quest #1029 in this open world.
What killed Dragon Age: Inquisitions world for me was the pure tedium. On paper they designed a brilliant world...with so many locales. But the copy paste nature of the quests, and lack of quality of content made it a chore and just boring.
The other thing this game is giving me that again I have been sorely missing is...the setting. I am bored of medieval settings or purely real world settings. Very few games successfully pull of sci fi, steampunk or cyberpunk settings. This game seems to have small elements of each put into a real world setting. It is really looking unique.
Crossing Eden
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It could but so far it's never been brought up or addressed, and they had a whole film to do it.
Blame the marketing department for constantly harping on how much of a strong female character she is and doing barely anything to show for it, including a mediocre film that does the opposite.
Oh plz. You've made your point clear multiple times as well. But people keep peddling false information about the project to continue their own narrative, so i will continue to try and smack it down. I don't mention Nomura in FF15 threads anymore unless that happens.
Why don't we get to use the bathroom as Noct? David Cage should have directed Final Fantasy XV
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Dalton's fart in an attack in Chrono Trigger (in the English version it was changed into a burp).
South Park showed us they do.
MagnaderAlpha
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Could be a royal from Solheim.
The Emperor
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screw farting.
When do they POO and PEE?
Have you ever seen a toilet in a FF game? I sure aint!
MagnaderAlpha
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Only toilet stalls I recall seeing were in FFVI(Vector) and FFVII. Every other FF, you have to go out and find a bush to lay patties in. Why do you think Lucis castle has a big garden area seen in the anime series? That's where they "gotta go"!
DiipuSurotu
Banned
No, they just want Stella.
I've watched the trailer and I've been keeping my Luna opinion to myself up until this moment. From a woman's point of view, here are my two cents about her.
Do I think Luna is weak? No, but I don't think they're properly highlighting the traits that make her an independent or a strong character, especially in Kingsglaive, but even then you can see signs of her not being your average spoiled princess. She has a role, a duty, and a purpose to exist for and she knows that very well.
She might not have the fighting ability that Noctis has but so far I've seen her show more emotional strength and determination than Noctis ever did. She surpasses Noctis in being emotionally independent and aware of what she must do in order to save the world and prevent it from falling in an everlasting darkness, while Noctis is literally just moping around having no idea what to do to the point where even Gladio calls him out on it and actually calling him "useless" despite his powers and abilities. As opposed to Noctis, Luna is actually loved and respected by the public as an Oracle. If anything, the footage I've seen so far paints Noctis as the spoiled prince, not Luna who has seen far more shit than Noctis ever did.
Her emotions and feelings towards Noctis doesn't make her weak and I find the notion of that is ridiculous, as being strong doesn't mean being immune to love and care for someone for a long time (especially someone who she kept contact with during her captivity, its only natural she'd develop such feelings for him). Also, we haven't really seen her interact with Noctis, so we don't know if she acts like a doormat around him.
As for Luna being slapped or being abused since childhood, the very fact that she still held her ground despite all of that shows a great deal of strength to me. The thing is, there are a lot of ways a character can be strong and Luna displays more of an emotional strength and independent mindset than your typical kind of strength that a character like Lightening shows for instance. Even Aqua, the character people praise for being strong, had her fair share of weakness and was almost impaled by Ventis but that didn't make her a weak character because that's not what classifies a character as weak.
What I am trying to say, is that she isn't another "Princess Peach", she isn't there to be a trophy to Noctis. She is a respected Oracle with a very important task of holding back the Plague of the Stars, who bravely stood her ground against Leviathan and the Niflheim.
The game isn't out yet, she might end up a very underwhelming character or she might actually surprise everyone, but saying she is weak based on few incidents while ignoring other things is not fair.