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Yaari said:
I like my E6 but the Game Mode without HDR just bothers me. I know it would probably kick up input lag even more but I dont know if I should even be looking forward to PS4 Pro and Scorpio now.
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You could always disable HDR on those consoles. It's not the biggest advantage of them anyway - otherwise you might as well just stick with the existing consoles that already have HDR.

And I'd take OLED + SDR gaming over LCD + HDR any day of the week. SDR looks practically HDR on OLED anyway due to the dynamic range and contrast.

Regardless, LG might release a firmware update later in the year given the demand. They already released an update to fix the HDR colour tracking.
 
Yaari said:
I like my E6 but the Game Mode without HDR just bothers me. I know it would probably kick up input lag even more but I dont know if I should even be looking forward to PS4 Pro and Scorpio now.
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If you rename the input you are plugging your console into 'PC' you get all the benefits of Game mode no matter what picture mode you select.
 
what kind of setting OLED 2016 LG owner are using for trumotion ? ( not in gaming obviously)

clear, smooth, or custom ?
 
Thanks I'll try. I hate this stutters from 24p movies / streaming I was on clear until now I'll try custom
 
Hero said:
Does anyone know about this LG UH5500 model?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-50-class-49-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-black/5450648.p?loc=0&ref=8575135&acampID=8808dd04883b11e6a67d7a9545b5bfc10INT

My Google-Fu is failing me and I can't really find reviews for this in terms of gaming.

Not looking for anything high end but need a budget TV for some light gaming for my parents. Will this do or are there better alternatives in the same budget range of 500 dollars?
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Hi! I bought this 2 days ago and I'm really enjoying it. Apparently it can only PROCESS HDR10 images and not display them, so I don't quite know what to make of that, but the picture looks great to my untrained eye. I played some PS4 on it last night and it looked awesome, but I definitely don't have the eye for this kind of stuff that most of the people in this thread do. Honestly, though, I'm okay with not having the best TV in the world if I only paid $400 for it.

Question for this thread's geniuses, though: I want to buy a soundbar. A cheap, sub-$150 soundbar. I know I'm not going to get anything incredible for that, but I'm in college, so that's where I'm at. However, I also plan on buying a PS4 pro, which does not have an optical out. If I HDMI from the PS4 Pro into the TV (the aforementioned LG 50UH5500) and do optical out from the TV into a soundbar, will that produce too much lag that gaming will sound bad?

Also: anybody have any recommendations in that price range? Best Buy has Vizio's entry soundbar for $99 and a $60 Open Box, which I'm thinking of just going with; is that so terrible? I basically just want "better than TV speakers," and my ear isn't trained for much more than that, though I read somewhere that sound bars can sound like surround sound at times? Is that accurate at all?
 
There's a new review of the Z9D for those still following.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...-kd-65zd9-review-tv-of-the-year/#2b33caa6623f

Lots of comparisons with LG OLED and Samsung throughout which is the kind of stuff I was looking for. Also pretty favourable throughout, although bloom and halo-ing are not entirely eliminated during HDR playback which may be a dealbreaker for some.

Do not under any circumstances, though, let yourself be put off the 65Z9D by its slightly wimpy sound – or its faffy Android TV system. I know it’s not cheap at $5,999 (£4,000 in the UK), but if your bank balance can stand that the only thing that really matters about the 65Z9D is that it produces what is for me – especially with HDR – hands down the best all-round picture quality of any TV this year.
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Still going to want to go to a store and test both the LG and Sony out for myself, but that was a good read.
 
Kyoufu said:
If the Z9D was $1000+ cheaper than OLED then we'd be talking but you'd have to be crazy to pay OLED money for an LCD TV.
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The brightness of z9d is better, not to mention less black crush on sony led, so it is not as clear cut imo.

Both suffers from uneven picture, oled smearing and led clouding...
 
Kyoufu said:
If the Z9D was $1000+ cheaper than OLED then we'd be talking but you'd have to be crazy to pay OLED money for an LCD TV.
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If I wanted to buy today, it's exactly $1000 cheaper, but I'll wait and see what the pricing is like closer to when I'm ready to buy / have seen both in action. As longdi, and that review point out though, it's not as simple as you make it out, they both have their strengths / weaknesses.
 
Yap, in bright day viewing, z9d,ks9800, dx900, those fald ledtv may look better than lg oled.

While those watching in dimmer night environment, oled will look more striking.

I think we should be waiting for 2017 flagships since it is so late in the year now. Maybe oled will get brighter and fald will have more local dimming zones, or you can buy 2016 flagship at a discount
 
40ms with HDR and game mode is fine with me.

longdi said:
Yap, in bright day viewing, z9d,ks9800, dx900, those fald ledtv may look better than lg oled.

While those watching in dimmer night environment, oled will look more striking.

I think we should be waiting for 2017 flagships since it is so late in the year now. Maybe oled will get brighter and fald will have more local dimming zones, or you can buy 2016 flagship at a discount
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Seeing them all together at BB and with dimmed lighting, LCD still looks more striking.

I'm ready for consistent 1000+ nits output after 10 yrs of plasma and ABL, even at the cost of black level and some minor haloing.
 
Yeah even if you don't use dejudder 1 or 2 on the LG OLED, you gotta use DeBlur as it can effectively double the motion resolution of the TV.
 
jstevenson said:
Yeah even if you don't use dejudder 1 or 2 on the LG OLED, you gotta use DeBlur as it can effectively double the motion resolution of the TV.
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It's funny.. I'm so used to turning off anything called "true motion" due to hating the soap opera effect.. if not for the calibrator that I had come work on my TV, I'd have left it to "Off" myself.
 
I bought a Pioneer 6020FD brand new in '08 and have been more than happy with it since. Walked into a Best Buy a couple weeks ago and laid my eyes on the 65" LG E6 and then proceeded to pick my jaw up off the floor. I'd love to see one that is properly calibrated in a dark room. Guess I may wait for CES and see what it brings as I've read that Panasonic is working on a very nice OLED set; also I would assume that the price will drop on the current LG models as well.

Think it wouldn't hurt to also get my Kuro calibrated since I would keep it regardless. I've noticed the slight red/purple tint when the display is at full 'black' in a completely dark room.
 
Robobandit said:
It's funny.. I'm so used to turning off anything called "true motion" due to hating the soap opera effect.. if not for the calibrator that I had come work on my TV, I'd have left it to "Off" myself.
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I'm not sure why your calibrator turned it on. Enabling TrueMotion to any degree, while increasing the motion resolution, also introduces artefacts, no matter what levels it is set to. You will notice it particularly during fast motion scenes and in the background of more static panning shots. I'd rather live with the cleaner 300-line motion resolution.
 
Dave_6 said:
I bought a Pioneer 6020FD brand new in '08 and have been more than happy with it since. Walked into a Best Buy a couple weeks ago and laid my eyes on the 65" LG E6 and then proceeded to pick my jaw up off the floor. I'd love to see one that is properly calibrated in a dark room. Guess I may wait for CES and see what it brings as I've read that Panasonic is working on a very nice OLED set; also I would assume that the price will drop on the current LG models as well.

Think it wouldn't hurt to also get my Kuro calibrated since I would keep it regardless. I've noticed the slight red/purple tint when the display is at full 'black' in a completely dark room.
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Did you ever put in the "Elite" board?
 
Trojita said:
Did you ever put in the "Elite" board?
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No, actually never heard of doing that. Until the past few weeks, I hadn't been on AVS for quite a while. After the initial break-in, I've been using some settings that 'D-Nice' posted on there after he did his review. Haven't changed anything since then.
 
Dave_6 said:
No, actually never heard of doing that. Until the past few weeks, I hadn't been on AVS for quite a while. After the initial break-in, I've been using some settings that 'D-Nice' posted on there after he did his review. Haven't changed anything since then.
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Yeah, a couple of years after the production ended some people found out you can put a board from the elites or monitor series in the 5020's and 6020's to enable Elite modes like the ISF ones.

My 5020FD broke during a move so I never got to try it :(
 
So yeah, HDR on Mankind Divided (PS4) looks great on the E6.

Too bad the game itself runs like shit on standard PS4s. Need that Pro boost.
 
holygeesus said:
I'm not sure why your calibrator turned it on. Enabling TrueMotion to any degree, while increasing the motion resolution, also introduces artefacts, no matter what levels it is set to. You will notice it particularly during fast motion scenes and in the background of more static panning shots. I'd rather live with the cleaner 300-line motion resolution.
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I personally found the judder on panning shots more distracting. I am happy with de-judder at 1 and de-blur @ 9 or 10.
 
As far as input lag goes, I'm not noticing any difference between ISF Bright and HDR Standard with TruMotion and other settings disabled.

Just be sure to have the processing settings off.
 
Trojita said:
Yeah, a couple of years after the production ended some people found out you can put a board from the elites or monitor series in the 5020's and 6020's to enable Elite modes like the ISF ones.

My 5020FD broke during a move so I never got to try it :(
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Hmm, I'll have to search for that then.
 
Kyoufu said:
So yeah, HDR on Mankind Divided (PS4) looks great on the E6.

Too bad the game itself runs like shit on standard PS4s. Need that Pro boost.
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Wait, there are games supporting HDR now? I thought only Infamous and Unchsrted 4 were going to be supported via updates in November?? Must have been a new update for Deus Ex?
 
NYR said:
Wait, there are games supporting HDR now? I thought only Infamous and Unchsrted 4 were going to be supported via updates in November?? Must have been a new update for Deus Ex?
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There's going to be a wave of games supporting HDR this holiday season, not just Infamous and Uncharted.
 
To owners of both a Sony w900a and an Xbox One, does Auto Scene mode work properly for you? IIRC, auto properly switches between Game and Cinema/24p mode on my PS4 when playing games and watching 24p movies. The Xbox One on the other hand does not automatically switch to Game mode when playing games (not sure with movies, haven't tried yet). I think it chooses General or some other scene mode instead. Is there a setting I'm missing here?
 
Kyoufu said:
As far as input lag goes, I'm not noticing any difference between ISF Bright and HDR Standard with TruMotion and other settings disabled.

Just be sure to have the processing settings off.
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There wouldn't be any difference between them as far as I'm aware. HDR Standard is just another picture setting. When you feed the TV an HDR signal then you will notice the lag and you should then not be able to select ISF Bright anyway.
 
holygeesus said:
There wouldn't be any difference between them as far as I'm aware. HDR Standard is just another picture setting. When you feed the TV an HDR signal then you will notice the lag and you should then not be able to select ISF Bright anyway.
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HDR Standard is what the TV puts you on when it detects a HDR signal.

You can use HDR Vivid and HDR Bright but they look bad in comparison.
 
holygeesus said:
I'm not sure why your calibrator turned it on. Enabling TrueMotion to any degree, while increasing the motion resolution, also introduces artefacts, no matter what levels it is set to. You will notice it particularly during fast motion scenes and in the background of more static panning shots. I'd rather live with the cleaner 300-line motion resolution.
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because the trade-off, in this case, is worth it.

ideally, no. But on these TVs, that dramatic increase in resolution outweighs the minor artifacts
 
sector4 said:
If I wanted to buy today, it's exactly $1000 cheaper, but I'll wait and see what the pricing is like closer to when I'm ready to buy / have seen both in action. As longdi, and that review point out though, it's not as simple as you make it out, they both have their strengths / weaknesses.
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Ah noticed your from Australia it's good idea to follow the LG OLED thread on Whirlpool for deals.

Also, I'd say go to Harvey Norman to view the OLED in nice setting (depending on store setup). Also, I'd say around Nov prices will drop further. Keep hunting. :)
 
holygeesus said:
I can't tell the difference between the two.
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That's good to hear. I've also heard PC mode has an advantage of having an automatic black level option game mode doesn't have too.

holygeesus said:
There is no such thing as OLED smearing.
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OLED's don't flicker so they suffer from sample-and-hold motion resolution due to how our eyes/brain need flicker to open/close our 'shutters', some call this smearing.
 
GeoNeo said:
Ah noticed your from Australia it's good idea to follow the LG OLED thread on Whirlpool for deals.

Also, I'd say go to Harvey Norman to view the OLED in nice setting (depending on store setup). Also, I'd say around Nov prices will drop further. Keep hunting. :)
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Thanks for the continued help! :) Nov / Dec is when I will be purchasing! Hopefully there are some nice pre christmas sales :P

Where are you located? I'm in Melbourne, do you know of any good HN areas here or are you from another state? Also I'll follow the whirlpool thread, I've just been trolling JB's site for sales haha I noticed the 65" E6 go down to $7.5k during a sale, but it's back up to 8k now.
 
sector4 said:
Thanks for the continued help! :) Nov / Dec is when I will be purchasing! Hopefully there are some nice pre christmas sales :P

Where are you located? I'm in Melbourne, do you know of any good HN areas here or are you from another state? Also I'll follow the whirlpool thread, I've just been trolling JB's site for sales haha I noticed the 65" E6 go down to $7.5k during a sale, but it's back up to 8k now.
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Looking on previous page on whirlpool thread someone posted that Myer were gonna do some sort of deal again where it would put the E6 at $7100 or so and if you say went to JB or HN they could prob beat that.

Looks like Myer maybe having their $15 off for every $75 spent this weekend again. That would bring the 65 E6 I think back down to about $7100. This should help people who go to JB/ Harvey etc this weekend maybe beat that and get it for under $7k. If true, bought some may find the info useful.
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Source: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2510538&p=74

Don't know of any Melb HN with good setups I'm in QLD atm. I'd ring around.

I'd bet Nov / Dec you'll see prices maybe hit mid 6000 maybe lower if comp heats up. :D
 
McSpidey said:
OLED's don't flicker so they suffer from sample-and-hold motion resolution due to how our eyes/brain need flicker to open/close our 'shutters', some call this smearing.
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They can call it what they like but they would be wrong. OLED doesn't have smearing. Smearing is where trails are left behind fast moving objects, which doesn't happen on these sets. There is also no motion blur. The response time of these panels have been measured at 0.1 milliseconds.

I have one set in my front room. It has been tested extensively with gaming and fast moving sports. The motion on this set is better than any television I have owned, including the plasma that came before it. 24p judder is there, but again, you will see this on any set without interpolation.

Motion resolution can be doubled (and 50 added) by enabling True Motion, but it introduces artefacts, so you pick your poison, but the image does not smear during motion. 300 line motion resolution is typical for a sample and hold display, without adding frames. Smearing is a falsehood as anyone who owns the set will tell you (as would every professional review of the set thus far)

Currently, the fast pixel response time, ensures that smearing doesn't occur during motion. There are rumours that Panasonic may introduce BFI for their new sets due next year though, but the motion on the current range is great.
 
All right, maybe you guys can help me. I'm a bit PQ and TV illiterate. According to RTINGS, they say that the Samsung KU6300 has great blacks, however, to my eyes, the blacks look a bit cloudy. It could just be because I'm streaming Netflix and the show isn't representing colors very well.

Anyway, I used their calibration settings. Let's say that the cloudy blacks persists.

How would I fix that? Anyway to alleviate the problem? It may just be because I'm usually watching in a dark room.
 
They can call it what they like but they would be wrong. OLED doesn't have smearing. Smearing is where trails are left behind fast moving objects, which doesn't happen on these sets. There is also no motion blur. The response time of these panels have been measured at 0.1 milliseconds.
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This is untrue and I think it's disingenuous to suggest it.

Detail is blurred in motion. Full stop.

It doesn't really leave trails, as you suggest, but detail is lost. If you are scrolling text smoothly at 60 frames per second, there is a point where the text becomes a blur and impossible to read. Play a game like Sonic the Hedgehog and, once you reach a certain speed, the image is blurred.

I had read posts like yours prior to owning an OLED (and testing multiple different OLED displays, I should note) and I was disappointed by this aspect. If you play retro games with lots of high speed scrolling, you WILL notice this issue. It's not too severe but it is not plasma or CRT quality due to the sample and hold nature of the display.
 
holygeesus said:
They can call it what they like but they would be wrong. OLED doesn't have smearing. Smearing is where trails are left behind fast moving objects, which doesn't happen on these sets. There is also no motion blur. The response time of these panels have been measured at 0.1 milliseconds.
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That would be incredible if true. Sounds like the benefits you would get with CRTs or LCDs with black frame insertion (and without the reduction in brightness). But I have read otherwise too, that there is still motion blur on oleds (just like what dark up there said). Also, if that were the case, wouldn't all other oled devices feature 0 blur, or is this just a TV thing because I have yet to encounter one that doesn't exhibit blurring (galaxy s phones, vita, etc)
 
dark10x said:
This is untrue and I think it's disingenuous to suggest it.

Detail is blurred in motion. Full stop.

It doesn't really leave trails, as you suggest, but detail is lost. If you are scrolling text smoothly at 60 frames per second, there is a point where the text becomes a blur and impossible to read. Play a game like Sonic the Hedgehog and, once you reach a certain speed, the image is blurred.

I had read posts like yours prior to owning an OLED (and testing multiple different OLED displays, I should note) and I was disappointed by this aspect. If you play retro games with lots of high speed scrolling, you WILL notice this issue. It's not too severe but it is not plasma or CRT quality due to the sample and hold nature of the display.
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georaldc said:
That would be incredible if true. Sounds like the benefits you would get with CRTs or LCDs with black frame insertion (and without the reduction in brightness). But I have read otherwise too, that there is still motion blur on oleds (just like what dark up there said). Also, if that were the case, wouldn't all other oled devices feature 0 blur, or is this just a TV thing because I have yet to encounter one that doesn't exhibit blurring (galaxy s phones, vita, etc)
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Blurring is not 'smearing'. People need to learn to describe video artefacts more precisely.

Read this review and the section on 'Motion Blur'

http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b6
 
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